[JSports] Source: Blazers Rockets and Knicks are talking 3 team trade that would send Melo to Houston

[damecurry]

I can't see the Knicks taking on Anderson or Crabbe or Turner without Noah going back somehow.

My guess is Anderson to Portland
Melo to Houston
Ed Davis/Aminu/Leonard to NYK+ picks from both Portland and Houston.

I would def not add picks to that. Davis is 6m exp so pretty neutral. Aminu 2y/14m or so, some positive value. Leonard is negative value but i teams were apparently asking for 2 1sts to take on ryno so lets not act like hes positive value.

Player value seems fair to me there. I would do that deal cause it makes us better despite my serious apprehensions over having about 60m per year tied in crabbe/et/ryno for a few years. But i would never add pick value thats crazy talk to me. If we unload ET sure but if its just leonard no chance.

[Mayhem]

Melo on the Knicks can be considered an expiring contract. There's no way he's opting in and putting himself on the free agent market at 35 instead of 34, he'd lose millions.

[Soulyss]

I suspect you are right that Portland would WANT to do that. I think that if you are looking at Melo's current contract vs the ones coming in, Melo is only on the books for AT MOST 2 years, likely will opt out with CP3 this summer. If Portland is getting out of Myers, then NYK is going to need some awfully good reason. I think this is a long shot, but I could see Portland feeling that Noah is better for the team than Myers and Turner.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y95rke4g
The value to NY is too low since not only does it not improve the product on the floor, but it also creates more cap problems.

No one is taking on Noah's contract... This is really awful for Portland.

It's also really awful for NY...
Look at the contracts coming back and how the players fit roles. Nurk and Noah make a fine C rotation. What role does Turner play effectively?

What does Myers do? Is he a starter? Is he an above average b/u?
I think I have an easy argument that Myers and Turner have greater negative value than Noah alone.

Turner actually still plays basketball, is a solid wing defender and a secondary ball-handler. Noah simply collects a check and has shown zero ability to stay healthy enough to contribute. Noah is the worst contract in the NBA.

[Acountant_Z]

I assume this would be Anderson to the Blazers, Turner or Crabbe to NY, and Melo to HOU with sweetener to NY somehow

knicks would be fools to take on crabbes deal

Crabbe is not getting traded. He is far bigger negative for all other teams than Portland.
Plenty of bad stuff Portland can trade besides Crabbe. Ryno is a bad contract but it would at least change some dynamics for Blazers if they could send out Harkless and Leonards for him.

[Andre Roberstan]

Nurk and Noah make a fine C rotation.

You mean Nurk and 40 games of Noah's corpse makes a crummy center rotation, right?

No one caped harder for Noah when he was good than I did. He's bad. Still decent defensively IIRC, but you're paying him 20-odd mil a year to sit on your bench and cheer really hard and wave a towel. If you want a guy who can defend decently and sit on the bench the rest of the time I'm sure Sam Dalembert is still floating around somewhere.

It's not his fault his body broke down, and I'm sad about it, but his best days are in the rearview mirror unless someone works a modern medical miracle and undoes all the wear and tear he's put himself through.

[Baller1234a]

It's going to take a lot to trade Crabbe

[ThatBoyNick]

Guys y'all are debating Crabbe, Turner, Noah. The guy said

Harkless, Leonard to NYK
Anthony to HOU
Anderson to POR

[Soulyss]

It's going to take a lot to trade Crabbe

If there is any truth to this, Meyers & Harkless make sense.

[Baller1234a]

It's going to take a lot to trade Crabbe

If there is any truth to this, Meyers & Harkless make sense.

Sorry I mean it's gonna take a lot to dump his contract my bad

[JasonStern]

odd trade proposal. Harkless+Leonard for Anderson is solid value-wise for Portland, but doesn't really help their cap space situation.

also seems like conversations could have happened. Olshey has worked with Morey before, and most of his recent deals seem to be with familiar GMs.

oh well. if there ever were any legs, the trade is leaked so it's probably dead.

[Roy The Natural]

Anderson, Onuaku

Crabbe, Vonleh, Davis

Melo

These offers are getting worse.

It's not like Portland is surrendering value. Anderson in a heartbeat over Crabbe. Portland can't afford to pay Vonleh next summer which is fine because Vonleh isn't.....good. I'd rather have Onuaku and he's cheaper.

Nah... Anderson is a bad contract too.

[Roy The Natural]

I assume this would be Anderson to the Blazers, Turner or Crabbe to NY, and Melo to HOU with sweetener to NY somehow

knicks would be fools to take on crabbes deal

Crabbe is not getting traded. He is far bigger negative for all other teams than Portland.
Plenty of bad stuff Portland can trade besides Crabbe. Ryno is a bad contract but it would at least change some dynamics for Blazers if they could send out Harkless and Leonards for him.

That's the problem though isn't it. Portland is trading a solid young player who's shown significant improvement since being here for another bad contract. There's got to be sweetener in here for Portland IMO. It's really pretty arguable that Crabbe and Anderson were similar level players last year, and Anderson is getting paid more. Anderson is one of the worst defenders in the NBA at the 4.... how can the Blazers survive him on the floor with their guards. I just don't think the trade makes a lick of sense in general unless Portland is getting incentive here.

odd trade proposal. Harkless+Leonard for Anderson is solid value-wise for Portland, but doesn't really help their cap space situation.

also seems like conversations could have happened. Olshey has worked with Morey before, and most of his recent deals seem to be with familiar GMs.

oh well. if there ever were any legs, the trade is leaked so it's probably dead.

I disagree here... Anderson's year last year was comparable to Crabbes... he's getting paid more as well. If Crabbe's an issue to trade, Anderson isn't far behind.

It seems to me like Harkless is the only name in this whole trade who's truly a wanted asset. The rest are guys that everyone scoffs at for their pricetags. If anything, I'd imagine that if Harklee is moving out, Portland's getting a 1st rounder back in one of these deals. Anderson has been up and down offensively for the last 3 years, he's a good shooter... but he's an abomination on defense, and wildly overpaid for what he brings. He'd also be close to unplayable if Portland wanted to play a smidgen of defense with their guards on the floor.

I think Portland needs sweetener here, and I don't see how Anderson holds a smidgen of the positive value that people here think he does.

[nykballa2k4]

Nurk and Noah make a fine C rotation.

You mean Nurk and 40 games of Noah's corpse makes a crummy center rotation, right?

No one caped harder for Noah when he was good than I did. He's bad. Still decent defensively IIRC, but you're paying him 20-odd mil a year to sit on your bench and cheer really hard and wave a towel. If you want a guy who can defend decently and sit on the bench the rest of the time I'm sure Sam Dalembert is still floating around somewhere.

It's not his fault his body broke down, and I'm sad about it, but his best days are in the rearview mirror unless someone works a modern medical miracle and undoes all the wear and tear he's put himself through.

After an abysmal start, Noah's "second half" he looked pretty good. Obviously health will be an issue, but as someone who saw Dalembert pre-retirement, I think I'd rather 40 games of noah than 82 of Sammy or even Thabeet.

[Andre Roberstan]

Nurk and Noah make a fine C rotation.

You mean Nurk and 40 games of Noah's corpse makes a crummy center rotation, right?

No one caped harder for Noah when he was good than I did. He's bad. Still decent defensively IIRC, but you're paying him 20-odd mil a year to sit on your bench and cheer really hard and wave a towel. If you want a guy who can defend decently and sit on the bench the rest of the time I'm sure Sam Dalembert is still floating around somewhere.

It's not his fault his body broke down, and I'm sad about it, but his best days are in the rearview mirror unless someone works a modern medical miracle and undoes all the wear and tear he's put himself through.

After an abysmal start, Noah's "second half" he looked pretty good. Obviously health will be an issue, but as someone who saw Dalembert pre-retirement, I think I'd rather 40 games of noah than 82 of Sammy or even Thabeet.

I'd rather sign Dalembert and use the 20 million dollars I'm saving to get a guy who can play more than 40 games. But that's just me

[Roy The Natural]

You mean Nurk and 40 games of Noah's corpse makes a crummy center rotation, right?

No one caped harder for Noah when he was good than I did. He's bad. Still decent defensively IIRC, but you're paying him 20-odd mil a year to sit on your bench and cheer really hard and wave a towel. If you want a guy who can defend decently and sit on the bench the rest of the time I'm sure Sam Dalembert is still floating around somewhere.

It's not his fault his body broke down, and I'm sad about it, but his best days are in the rearview mirror unless someone works a modern medical miracle and undoes all the wear and tear he's put himself through.

After an abysmal start, Noah's "second half" he looked pretty good. Obviously health will be an issue, but as someone who saw Dalembert pre-retirement, I think I'd rather 40 games of noah than 82 of Sammy or even Thabeet.

I'd rather sign Dalembert and use the 20 million dollars I'm saving to get a guy who can play more than 40 games. But that's just me

Absolutely, if Noah's contract was $6-8 million, it'd be fine... but his salary is abominable. Noah and Parsons might be the most immovable players in the NBA right now. Knicks are sending out their 1st if they want to move him, or they're taking back MASSIVE levels of bad salaries... that's just the way it is.

[vxmike]

Someone has to take on salary and that someone is Houston. Portland needs to shed salary and NY will want assets or shedding Noah's deal. Portland wants to clear salary. This is gonna be tough and Portland will need to add picks.

I'm not sure it works.

[Roy The Natural]

Someone has to take on salary and that someone is Houston. Portland needs to shed salary and NY will want assets or shedding Noah's deal. Portland wants to clear salary. This is gonna be tough and Portland will need to add picks.

I'm not sure it works.

Wait... why is Portland adding picks?

If the names involved are Leonard, Harkless, Anderson, Anthony... than from my view Harkless is the only true positive value player in the deal, even if he's only a small positive. Anderson is a negative at his contract... he's basically a Crabbe level player with a Crabbe level contract. In the right situation you could argue Anthony is still a positive... but he's viewed by many as neutral at best given his style of play, age, friction with management, and huge contract. Leonard sucks, and his contract isn't great... but he's the lowest paid bad contract here. I'd argue that this deal was probably DOA... probably on Portland's end. I doubt they're moving Harkless in this deal without some sweetener, and the deal probably died on the table, as the Knicks likely won't accept Anderson in return for Melo.

I certainly see Harkless + Leonard + 1st rounder for Anderson as a complete fleecing of Portland... which seems to be what you're suggesting.

[Acountant_Z]

knicks would be fools to take on crabbes deal

Crabbe is not getting traded. He is far bigger negative for all other teams than Portland.
Plenty of bad stuff Portland can trade besides Crabbe. Ryno is a bad contract but it would at least change some dynamics for Blazers if they could send out Harkless and Leonards for him.

That's the problem though isn't it. Portland is trading a solid young player who's shown significant improvement since being here for another bad contract. There's got to be sweetener in here for Portland IMO. It's really pretty arguable that Crabbe and Anderson were similar level players last year, and Anderson is getting paid more. Anderson is one of the worst defenders in the NBA at the 4.... how can the Blazers survive him on the floor with their guards. I just don't think the trade makes a lick of sense in general unless Portland is getting incentive here.

odd trade proposal. Harkless+Leonard for Anderson is solid value-wise for Portland, but doesn't really help their cap space situation.

also seems like conversations could have happened. Olshey has worked with Morey before, and most of his recent deals seem to be with familiar GMs.

oh well. if there ever were any legs, the trade is leaked so it's probably dead.

I disagree here... Anderson's year last year was comparable to Crabbes... he's getting paid more as well. If Crabbe's an issue to trade, Anderson isn't far behind.

It seems to me like Harkless is the only name in this whole trade who's truly a wanted asset. The rest are guys that everyone scoffs at for their pricetags. If anything, I'd imagine that if Harklee is moving out, Portland's getting a 1st rounder back in one of these deals. Anderson has been up and down offensively for the last 3 years, he's a good shooter... but he's an abomination on defense, and wildly overpaid for what he brings. He'd also be close to unplayable if Portland wanted to play a smidgen of defense with their guards on the floor.

I think Portland needs sweetener here, and I don't see how Anderson holds a smidgen of the positive value that people here think he does.

You need to look at this little differently. Perhaps Harkless is not an awful contract but Leonards is just abysmal. Put two together and you have something equivalent to Anderson with a hope that Anderson can actually produce more for Blazers. It is not the most wonderful end of the rainbow deal for Blazers but it is something that seems to make some sense.

[bgrep14]

I'd be shocked if the Cavs wouldn't do Thompson and Shumpert which has to be better than anything Houston could offer no one wants Crabbe

[Roy The Natural]

Crabbe is not getting traded. He is far bigger negative for all other teams than Portland.
Plenty of bad stuff Portland can trade besides Crabbe. Ryno is a bad contract but it would at least change some dynamics for Blazers if they could send out Harkless and Leonards for him.

That's the problem though isn't it. Portland is trading a solid young player who's shown significant improvement since being here for another bad contract. There's got to be sweetener in here for Portland IMO. It's really pretty arguable that Crabbe and Anderson were similar level players last year, and Anderson is getting paid more. Anderson is one of the worst defenders in the NBA at the 4.... how can the Blazers survive him on the floor with their guards. I just don't think the trade makes a lick of sense in general unless Portland is getting incentive here.

odd trade proposal. Harkless+Leonard for Anderson is solid value-wise for Portland, but doesn't really help their cap space situation.

also seems like conversations could have happened. Olshey has worked with Morey before, and most of his recent deals seem to be with familiar GMs.

oh well. if there ever were any legs, the trade is leaked so it's probably dead.

I disagree here... Anderson's year last year was comparable to Crabbes... he's getting paid more as well. If Crabbe's an issue to trade, Anderson isn't far behind.

It seems to me like Harkless is the only name in this whole trade who's truly a wanted asset. The rest are guys that everyone scoffs at for their pricetags. If anything, I'd imagine that if Harklee is moving out, Portland's getting a 1st rounder back in one of these deals. Anderson has been up and down offensively for the last 3 years, he's a good shooter... but he's an abomination on defense, and wildly overpaid for what he brings. He'd also be close to unplayable if Portland wanted to play a smidgen of defense with their guards on the floor.

I think Portland needs sweetener here, and I don't see how Anderson holds a smidgen of the positive value that people here think he does.

You need to look at this little differently. Perhaps Harkless is not an awful contract but Leonards is just abysmal. Put two together and you have something equivalent to Anderson with a hope that Anderson can actually produce more for Blazers. It is not the most wonderful end of the rainbow deal for Blazers but it is something that seems to make some sense.

Nah... I don't think it makes sense. I'd honestly rather stand pat. Anderson is an abysmal fit on Portland. I'm not even convinced he's playable for long stretches on this team with the starting guards. Leonard's contract does suck... I agree, but rushing out and getting Anderson, doesn't help any, and just replaces one bad contract with another. In fact, I'm not sure that Anderson is really even doing much beyond just replacing Harkless' production while creating a gaping defensive hole in the process. No matter which way you look at it... it looks like a **** deal for Portland.

Anderson really hasn't been very good for about 3 years now. His defense is an unmitigated disaster. He'd need to be on a team like Utah to really be a positive player. In Portland, where they're already struggling to play passable defense consistently, he'd be a disaster.