Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 3: #TheTimeline

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #1201 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:17 am

The dominoes are falling.

thamadkant · Post #1202 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:18 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
1UPZ wrote:If Pelicans implode early... I'd make the sell-the-farm offer for Davis.
EVERYONE, minus maybe Booker and Jackson... need offense/defense at the perimeter. EVERY pick the Suns own, Chriss, Bender etc. The works!

I'd move everyone. I'd even consider putting Booker on the table although it makes sense to pair him with AD

Yeah, actually.. if Pelicans insists Booker is included... I'd pull one of Bender or Chriss out and include Booker.

I want to keep Jackson, because his skill set is very useful next to a big.
I'd then quickly max out the Suns salary cap and surround Anthony Davis, Chriss/Bender, Jackson with help.... veterans and all.

Moochthemonkey · Post #1203 » by **Moochthemonkey** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:18 am

1UPZ wrote:If Pelicans implode early... I'd make the sell-the-farm offer for Davis.
EVERYONE, minus maybe Booker and Jackson... need offense/defense at the perimeter. EVERY pick the Suns own, Chriss, Bender etc. The works!

I did and-1 this but on second thought that might be too much

similar to the Nets, you mortgage your entire future, to possibly be at Blazers tier for the next few seasons...Davis has only made the playoffs once with Pelicans, I don't see how this team is much better, and hinges on Booker and Jackson developing into blue-chip players by '20

plus Davis leaves in 2020 to join Lebron/George/Ball in LA (you know it's due to happen)

at the cost of having Chriss/Bender/Jackson/various future 1sts playing into the mid 20s when the Warriors should be slowing down and other teams actually have a chance

thamadkant · Post #1204 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:19 am

Moochthemonkey wrote:
1UPZ wrote:If Pelicans implode early... I'd make the sell-the-farm offer for Davis.
EVERYONE, minus maybe Booker and Jackson... need offense/defense at the perimeter. EVERY pick the Suns own, Chriss, Bender etc. The works!

I did and-1 this but on second thought that might be too much

similar to the Nets, you mortgage your entire future, to possibly be at Blazers tier for the next few seasons...Davis has only made the playoffs once with Pelicans, I don't see how this team is much better, and hinges on Booker and Jackson developing into blue-chip players by '20

plus Davis leaves in 2020 to join Lebron/George/Ball in LA (you know it's due to happen)

at the cost of having Chriss/Bender/Jackson/various future 1sts playing into the mid 20s when the Warriors should be slowing down and other teams actually have a chance

Yeah, but the Suns will have huge cap space to put a star or two next to Davis... and they will be knocking on the door if Davis is your main piece and looking for help.

jredsaz · Post #1205 » by **jredsaz** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:21 am

What about Johnathan Simmons? Any interest at $8-$10 per? Idk. Just tossing it out there. May be a guy we could sign and then flip after he gets good stats on a bad team.

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Post #1206 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:27 am

Moochthemonkey wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:
BobbieL wrote:That Heat pick - if healthy just became non lottery. So probably pick 15 through 18. So, good pick but not top 10

I didn't know Kelly O was that good.

he's about as good as prime Frye with room to improve as the starting 4 (I would assume), and Dragic + stretch 4/5 means a several game jump record-wise.

this Heat team could basically become a rich-man's version of the '14 Suns if most everything goes according to plan

it seems the Suns previous trades of past white PGs has not paid off lol after initially looking like GREAT deals

Nash: Lakers nearly missed the lottery in '13, instead they made the playoffs and the pick was converted to the last of the first round. That ended up as Archie Goodwin and the other one (quite possibly a top 5 pick) was traded in a deal that acquired Knight.

Dragic: Wade leaves, Bosh is forced into medical retirement, rumors of trading Dragic and blowing it up after having one of the worst records around January this year. Instead they made a surprise turnaround midseason and could quite possibly be a playoff team for the next few years

Yeah, if he can develop that pick n roll game he had with Frye, with Olynyk, they could be pretty lethal....and obviously we didn't have a Whiteside in the middle. As 1UPZ said, they sound "meh" but that "meh" lineup was 30-11 in a half season. Double that for a full season. If they play anywhere near the level they did, they should easily be winning 50 something games. It sounds crazy with that lineup, but what they did last year was crazy. Obviously that could have been some sort of outlier weird thing but they never let up for 41 games really.

Post #1207 » by **bwgood77** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:28 am

1UPZ wrote:If Pelicans implode early... I'd make the sell-the-farm offer for Davis.
EVERYONE, minus maybe Booker and Jackson... need offense/defense at the perimeter. EVERY pick the Suns own, Chriss, Bender etc. The works!

They won't trade him. Even if we did include Booker and/or Jackson.

Post #1208 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:29 am

1UPZ wrote:If Pelicans implode early... I'd make the sell-the-farm offer for Davis.
EVERYONE, minus maybe Booker and Jackson... need offense/defense at the perimeter. EVERY pick the Suns own, Chriss, Bender etc. The works!

Tough pill to swallow, but I'd do it. I think they'd have to wait and see if Boogie stays after next summer.

Two concerns though, is AD doesn't necessarily fits our timeline and I know everyone doesn't want that. If no one wanted Butler, George because they wouldn't even make us a playoff team, does AD make us a playoff team, or are we just treadmilling again? :roll:

NTB · Post #1209 » by **NTB** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:29 am

Read on Twitter

thamadkant · Post #1210 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:31 am

If... and thats a HUGE If...

Suns can trade for Davis, keep Jackson and one of Bender or Chriss.

They can then offer a max to Klay Thompson.

Davis, Thompson, Jackson, Chriss/Bender and possibly another MAX or near MAX salary space for another star player is better than treadmill... but thats the issue.. Suns are in the west, a 55 win team out west is not even guaranteed to be out of the first round.

8on · Post #1211 » by **8on** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:33 am

1UPZ wrote:If... and thats a HUGE If...
Suns can trade for Davis, keep Jackson and one of Bender or Chriss.

Seems highly unlikely. Like, less than 5% chance they would give up AD for anything. They're thinking the same thing (why can't we give Klay a max offer sheet?) Klay's going to be a Warrior until he retires, in all likelihood. All of them are.

BobbieL · Post #1212 » by **BobbieL** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:35 am

Dominoes are falling

nice move by Spurs to get Gay if healthy - he helps them
they will bring back Gasol

Josh McRoberts to the Mavs in a salary dump

So maybe the next couple days - Twolves and others will want to dump salary too and Suns can make their moves

thamadkant · Post #1213 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:36 am

dantley4prez wrote:
1UPZ wrote:If... and thats a HUGE If...
Suns can trade for Davis, keep Jackson and one of Bender or Chriss.

Seems highly unlikely. Like, less than 5% chance they would give up AD for anything. They're thinking the same thing (why can't we give Klay a max offer sheet?) Klay's going to be a Warrior until he retires, in all likelihood. All of them are.

Warriors can't afford Klay and they have to make a decision between Klay or Green.... Green is happy to be 3rd fiddle...

Klay loves winning but he also knows he could be 1st or 2nd option on a team that needs him to be that role.

Post #1214 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:38 am

Read on Twitter

Getting Gay will be the downfall of the Spurs. I'm hoping for it at least.

8on · Post #1215 » by **8on** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:39 am

1UPZ wrote:
dantley4prez wrote:
1UPZ wrote:If... and thats a HUGE If...
Suns can trade for Davis, keep Jackson and one of Bender or Chriss.

Seems highly unlikely. Like, less than 5% chance they would give up AD for anything. They're thinking the same thing (why can't we give Klay a max offer sheet?) Klay's going to be a Warrior until he retires, in all likelihood. All of them are.

Warriors can't afford Klay and they have to make a decision between Klay or Green.... Green is happy to be 3rd fiddle...

Klay loves winning but he also knows he could be 1st or 2nd option on a team that needs him to be that role.

Warriors can obviously go over the cap for Klay, and he seems like the type to take less to stay.

thamadkant · Post #1216 » by **thamadkant** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:43 am

After the finals and playoffs... Klay has become option 3 or even 4 offensively. Now, its Curry and Durant taking turns... and working very well. I think if Warriors had a choice between Klay at 32 million a year or 2 wingmen who can play defense and shoot 3s, they will pick second option... because they lack depth. Besides, Green also will be commanding close to 30 million a year.

You cant have 4 players earning close to 30 million each.... Klay is the most replaceable because his shooting can be replaced by Durant and 3D role players at cheaper prices.

Post #1217 » by **Qwigglez** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:49 am

Did Pau Gasol sign back with the Spurs or is he still a free agent?

8on · Post #1218 » by **8on** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:51 am

1UPZ wrote:After the finals and playoffs... Klay has become option 3 or even 4 offensively. Now, its Curry and Durant taking turns... and working very well. I think if Warriors had a choice between Klay at 32 million a year or 2 wingmen who can play defense and shoot 3s, they will pick second option... because they lack depth. Besides, Green also will be commanding close to 30 million a year.

who knows. He's on pace to be part of the greatest team of all time. This could be a team with 6 or 7 titles when it's all said and done. Usually, you don't leave teams like that. You join them.

Moochthemonkey · Post #1219 » by **Moochthemonkey** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:54 am

1UPZ wrote:After the finals and playoffs... Klay has become option 3 or even 4 offensively. Now, its Curry and Durant taking turns... and working very well. I think if Warriors had a choice between Klay at 32 million a year or 2 wingmen who can play defense and shoot 3s, they will pick second option... because they lack depth. Besides, Green also will be commanding close to 30 million a year.

You cant have 4 players earning close to 30 million each.... Klay is the most replaceable because his shooting can be replaced by Durant and 3D role players at cheaper prices.

there's no hard-cap that forbids it, and the amount of revenue the Warriors generate can sustain it

and unlike Love in Cleveland...Klay's talent hasn't really been marginalized...still playing 30+ minutes and had a career high in FGA and PPG last season

Post #1220 » by **ATTL** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 12:55 am

If we traded everyone for Anthony davis wouldn't we be in the same boat as the pelicans with not having enough talent to compete with the big boys while being stuck in the 6-10th seed?