Otto Porter Part 2

[NatP4]

So what went right this offseason?

this is a homerun compared to last summer

LOL valid point.

[NatP4]

I do think there is a small very small train of thought that revolves around Kelly Oubre being ready to start and possibly having higher upside than Otto, and the fact that clearing max space from 99 million is a lot easier than at 124 million. Maybe they believe boogie is on the way.


If you 100% knew boogie was coming and that you could move Gortat and Mahinmi before free agency and felt confident in Oubre to be a solid starter.......maybe it's not a no brainer to match

[80sballboy]

A sight overreaction. We will sign him and pretty much everything will be forgotten. Otto is not vindictive but Falk is. Not sure why. Were they upset the Wiz didn't offer the max in the first place? Pissed about going after Paul George and using an Otto S&T as bait? Who cares. More interesting that the Cs are likely trading Crowder to get Hayward and they'll have to use Tatum or Brown as power forwards (no Olynyk or Amier Johnson either0. That's fine for stretching the floor but they could get waxed on the boards.

[Prokorov]

stick it too them any way you can

the only way to stick it to the nets is to not match. I mean i'd probably try to talk myself into porter if we actually got him but its an massive overpay for a role guy... even if he is an elite role guy.

tying up cap for 6 days doesnt mean much. there is no one left worth signing and once porter is matched marks is just going to give the same offer to KCP

Well we are also holding them up from taking on money to gin assets, Like they could be cashing in on the celtics trying to cast off guys like smart, bradley and crowder, but their cap is tied up, mean while we can operate the way we are until the physical is approved I believe. So EG bought himself under a week to pull off some **** to get us under the tax and maybe just maybe make us a little better a long the way, lets see what he can do !

cap isnt tied up. nets still have 8.6M aside from the 26M tied up in porter.

thats enough to take crowder or smart and 30K away from bradley. waiving goodwins non gauranteed deal would get us there on bradley.

[gambitx777]

the only way to stick it to the nets is to not match. I mean i'd probably try to talk myself into porter if we actually got him but its an massive overpay for a role guy... even if he is an elite role guy.

tying up cap for 6 days doesnt mean much. there is no one left worth signing and once porter is matched marks is just going to give the same offer to KCP

Well we are also holding them up from taking on money to gin assets, Like they could be cashing in on the celtics trying to cast off guys like smart, bradley and crowder, but their cap is tied up, mean while we can operate the way we are until the physical is approved I believe. So EG bought himself under a week to pull off some **** to get us under the tax and maybe just maybe make us a little better a long the way, lets see what he can do !

cap isnt tied up. nets still have 8.6M aside from the 26M tied up in porter.

thats enough to take crowder or smart and 30K away from bradley. waiving goodwins non gauranteed deal would get us there on bradley.

But you can't take a big contract, and you can't take all three which would really help you guys excelerate a rebuild. No matter which way you cut it having 26 mill tied up for 6 days in free agency on a free agent you are not going to get to sign is a big hindrance.

[Kanyewest]

Falk may be still pissed at Washington because of the MJ being booted out of Washington. He may have not gotten the memo that Abe Pollin passed away.

[nate33]

The player option isn't a problem. The cap will remain flat or decline over the next few years, yet teams will have less and less cap room as more old (cheap) contracts are renewed at current, more expensive prices. By 2020, there will probably be just 2 or 3 teams with max cap room in the offseason. And they won't have maneuvered themselves into max cap space just to throw a 30% max contract at Otto Porter.

Frankly, this deal is probably more favorable to Washington than whatever 5-year deal Falk was insisting on. Porter will probably end up taking a pay cut in 2021.

[europeanfan]

At this point I'm not sure they should match.

But if they don't they need to deliver Melo.

[NatP4]

Come on bruh what? Melo? They should match and start him at power forward and free the kids in the backcourt. We'll be fine. We didn't max out at 2nd round exit. We just need something from our bench.

[Tricky_Kid]

Come on bruh what? Melo? They should match and start him at power forward and free the kids in the backcourt. We'll be fine. We didn't max out at 2nd round exit. We just need something from our bench.

I still can't see Porter as PF. Imagine him defending Love, Melo, Horford etc.

[FAH1223]

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[europeanfan]

Bottom line I don't think there's goodwill and trust anymore between the player and the team.

So walk away instead of saying yes to an unhappy marriage just because it beats being alone. Trade veto? You can't even divorce if it doesn't work out that's too much...

I like Otto, he may even become an All Star in the East (which is why he was never going West in a million years). But I don't feel good about that contract.

What's the point of Oubre if he doesn't allow you to walk away in this situation?

If they match Otto then Kelly is getting traded with Gortat/Morris/Mahinmi you can believe that, they ain't paying both of them.

[NatP4]

They can and will play both of them. Wall-Beal-Oubre-Porter-Gortat was one of the top lineups in the NBA and far and away our best lineup.

[FAH1223]

Bottom line I don't think there's goodwill and trust anymore between the player and the team.

So walk away instead of saying yes to an unhappy marriage just because it beats being alone. Trade veto? You can't even divorce if it doesn't work out that's too much...

I like Otto, he may even become an All Star in the East (which is why he was never going West in a million years). But I don't feel good about that contract.

What's the point of Oubre if he doesn't allow you to walk away in this situation?

If they match Otto then Kelly is getting traded with Gortat/Morris/Mahinmi you can believe that, they ain't paying both of them.

Walk away and get nothing in return? The Wiz have no cap space. No cap space next summer.

#3 overall pick and you let him leave after only 4 years?

That's even worse management than Grunfail in this instance.

[gambitx777]

Bottom line I don't think there's goodwill and trust anymore between the player and the team.

So walk away instead of saying yes to an unhappy marriage just because it beats being alone. Trade veto? You can't even divorce if it doesn't work out that's too much...

I like Otto, he may even become an All Star in the East (which is why he was never going West in a million years). But I don't feel good about that contract.

What's the point of Oubre if he doesn't allow you to walk away in this situation?

If they match Otto then Kelly is getting traded with Gortat/Morris/Mahinmi you can believe that, they ain't paying both of them.

Not quite sure where you are getting at?
his agent wanted a full 5 year max with max raises and perks. We said nope and offered a decent 5 year deal but it was not max, his agent went out and got him a max contract with decent perks. Otto does not hate DC or the team, its business bro.
Kelly is not going any where he has two years left on his deal nor has he come any where near close to out playing his contract. he will probably extend over testing the market.

[WallToWall]

Regarding that Oct 1st payment of 50% salary for the season... is this even something that is allowed through the NBA/players collective bargaining agreement? If it is, then this opens up an interesting can of worms regarding when players can be paid and how it affects the salary cap.

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[Meliorus]

Bottom line I don't think there's goodwill and trust anymore between the player and the team.

So walk away instead of saying yes to an unhappy marriage just because it beats being alone. Trade veto? You can't even divorce if it doesn't work out that's too much...

I like Otto, he may even become an All Star in the East (which is why he was never going West in a million years). But I don't feel good about that contract.

What's the point of Oubre if he doesn't allow you to walk away in this situation?

If they match Otto then Kelly is getting traded with Gortat/Morris/Mahinmi you can believe that, they ain't paying both of them.

What does Oubre shoot from 3? Sub 30%? It's impossible to start at SF with that percentage.

[Dark Faze]

With enough repetition I think that number can be at 36 this year for Kelly.

[queridiculo]

Regarding that Oct 1st payment of 50% salary for the season... is this even something that is allowed through the NBA/players collective bargaining agreement? If it is, then this opens up an interesting can of worms regarding when players can be paid and how it affects the salary cap.

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I don't see how those provisions have any impact on the salary cap or the CBA, but what it does mean is that Porter as a tradeable asset has considerably less value.

What's strange to me is that when you do the math on the trade kicker, the October cash payment basically offsets the extra salary expenditure of the trade kicker almost from the second the contract is signed, leaving the cap implications of the kicker as the only real negative for a team receiving him in a trade.

I want to blame Ernie for this, but when it comes to spending money I'm always hesitant to assign the full blame to him because I'm not sure how much autonomy he has here.

Wouldn't be the first time a lowball offer has blown up in Grunfeld's face though, the Ariza situation is still fresh on my mind, how much of that is Leonsis fault I wonder.

[SpeedyG]

Regarding that Oct 1st payment of 50% salary for the season... is this even something that is allowed through the NBA/players collective bargaining agreement? If it is, then this opens up an interesting can of worms regarding when players can be paid and how it affects the salary cap.

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I don't see how those provisions have any impact on the salary cap or the CBA, but what it does mean is that Porter as a tradeable asset has considerably less value.

What's strange to me is that when you do the math on the trade kicker, the October cash payment basically offsets the extra salary expenditure of the trade kicker almost from the second the contract is signed, leaving the cap implications of the kicker as the only real negative for a team receiving him in a trade.

I want to blame Ernie for this, but when it comes to spending money I'm always hesitant to assign the full blame to him because I'm not sure how much autonomy he has here.

Wouldn't be the first time a lowball offer has blown up in Grunfeld's face though, the Ariza situation is still fresh on my mind, how much of that is Leonsis fault I wonder.

Hi, Nets fan here and an amateur capologist lol. I think the idea, as you said, is that the cap implications of the kicker is a negative for a team receiving him. That lowers his value, and is pretty standard for trade kickers. But you still have to match the contract.

But the bigger impact is cash flow. As you said, you're paying him that $ in October. But you still have to match (unless you dump him, which will cost you assets), which means you're taking on approx $24M/year "salary", which you now have to pay at the normal pay check periods for players.

In a normal trade, you pay your guy making $24M increments each period...you trade him for roughly equal salary and that incoming salary takes the place of that outgoing salary.

But if you deal Otto post Oct 1 after you've given him this upfront money, then your cash going out that year includes that money + whatever salary you have to pay in his place.

So, yeah its interesting. From a receiving team's stand point, it hurts from a cap perspective. But from their cash flow? That might be a great deal to save "money". But unless its the last year of the deal, a team looking to save "cash" won't trade for him because then they will be responsible for the upfront money the following season.

For the team trading him? It offers you no relief as far as cap and forces you to pay out more than normal. It's a double-whammy.