Knicks sign Hardaway

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #981 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:53 am

48 hours.

N Y K · Post #982 » by **N Y K** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:53 am

NYKnicksTAPE wrote:I'd be shocked if Timmy made me eat crow...

Isn't that how eating crow works?

F N 11 · Post #983 » by **F N 11** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:53 am

Traded Korver and gave him more minutes. I think they wil match.

Dkillanyk4lyf · Post #984 » by **Dkillanyk4lyf** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:53 am

EchelonNYK wrote:
K P 6 wrote:Just hoping to wake up to some good news like Melo is traded and stuff like that.

Hell no. The knicks are continuing to build around him.

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #985 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:54 am

I wish this was fluid.

SelbyCobra · Post #986 » by **SelbyCobra** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:54 am

KnicksGod wrote:
SelbyCobra wrote:
K P 6 wrote:Just hoping to wake up to some good news like Melo is traded and stuff like that.

Don't count on it. You'll probably have to wait until the Hawks make their decision for all the other dominos you're waiting for to fall.

Waiting period is down to only a couple days I think.

Yeah, about 47 hours left.

So I doubt we'll wake up to Melo news.

Greenie · Post #987 » by **Greenie** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:54 am

Garbagelo · Post #988 » by **Garbagelo** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:54 am

Dr. Detfink wrote:Here's where Knick fans fool themselves. Um, Lee and O'Quinn have no value when you have a league licking their chops to wait for the Knicks to sign and or trade by overpaying whether it be monetary or first rounders. This is exactly how every Team President since Dolan took over gets fooled.

This is the usual deal the Knicks make, thinking they are 1-2 moves from the playoffs when it's more like 2-3 years.

Their contracts are valuable.

DowNY · Post #989 » by **DowNY** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:54 am

Ladies & Gentlemen, our core is Frank Ntilikina, Tim Hardaway Jr., Kristaps Porzingis & Willy Hernangomez

EchelonNYK · Post #990 » by **EchelonNYK** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:54 am

Read on Twitter

Post #991 » by **dakomish23** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:55 am

At

10 it's solid
12 it's flat
14 it's reaching
16 it's a bad deal
18 it's wtf

Who were we competing with?

phatmanscoop · Post #992 » by **phatmanscoop** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:55 am

AmazingJason wrote:
shtolky wrote:
phatmanscoop wrote:People need to grasp the concept of the salary cap. This isn't 2010-2014 where the Cap was set at around 57 Million, There has been huge hikes which is why the past 2 years these contracts have ballooned. Granted we did overpay but you would have to considering hes a RFA, Just look at Otto Porter and his 100 million dollar contract (does his defense really make him worth Max Money?)

2010 NBA SALARY Cap is 58 Million, If you want to convert Timmy's contract to what it would've been before the ballooning Salary Cap it would probably be a 4 Year 40 Million dollar contract

58,000,000 x 17.75% = 10.3/ Year

2017 Cap is 99 Million-100 Mill

100 Mill x 17.75% = 17.75/ year (4 years 71 million) which is what he got.

As far as him eating space, if we trade Melo for expirings, or contracts that end in 2 years like Melo we would have 25++ million in cap space in 2 years, thats assuming the cap doesn't go up which it most likely should. In the meantime we can continue the rebuild and if Timmy develops the way he has we are looking at a starting 2 that would average 16-20 ppg, with good percentages its a spot we wouldnt need to look at Free Agency to fill. I would love to tank but I think we are more talented then the nets, jazz, lakers, pacers, Magic and tbh this move doesn't make us significantly better than the other teams around us like the Mavs. This is a lateral move that would pan out but hes 29 and hopefully in 4 years Porzingis/WHG/Frank develop into the players we expect that too while also adding 2 more lottery picks in the next few years.

I'm sure Mills isn't done, we can swap out Lee for a first round pick as well as KOQ/Melo

What a logical, sound argument. Kudos to you.

Nobody is going to give us sh*t for Lee now that we're essentially forced to trade him because we'll now have two starting SGs.

Your not forced to trade him? You could slide him over to the 3 once Melo is out the picture, and a productive 2-way player on a decent contract is definitely worth a first rounder. I mean look at the previous post with people saying Celtics should get a first for Smart/Crowder/Bradley but they technically HAVE to trade for it. I could see a team like the Spurs, Clippers trading for him.

mwm78 · Post #993 » by **mwm78** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:55 am

3eePointGoal wrote:This has to mean melo and co are out. I mean.... Right????

you never know with this organization they may have said forget it we're keeping Melo and teaming THJR with him, maybe they will trade C. Lee and/or Oquinn and bring in Rondo for a starting 5 of...and see where it takes them.... or maybe they get a legit offer for Melo at some point and trade him, who knows with this team and management.

Hernangomez
KP
Melo
THJR
Rondo

BLACKFEET 2010 · Post #994 » by **BLACKFEET 2010** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:55 am

And not one sauce, saying we'll just dump Lee has suggested to where and for whom the whole damn time.

poeman · Post #995 » by **poeman** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:55 am

KnicksGod wrote:Is Timmy about winning? I feel like we just got JR Smith again. Hopefully Dotson can still develop here.

Hardaway was a chucker. Not sure now...JR Smith was a mentor back then, he almost ruined the KP tank.

3toheadmelo · Post #996 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:55 am

DowNY wrote:Ladies & Gentlemen, our core is Frank Ntilikina, Tim Hardaway Jr., Kristaps Porzingis & Willy Hernangomez

i wish that said dennis smith jr instead

GEOLINK · Post #997 » by **GEOLINK** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:55 am

I just want Melo out of here at this point.

Buy this c*cksucker out. He isn't worth getting bad contracts in return.

Polk377 · Post #998 » by **Polk377** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:55 am

AmazingJason wrote:
Polk377 wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
Lmao, Porter is much better offensively than THJR. He's one of the best shooters in basketball.

Alright maybe not Porter but just making the point that it is not terrible considering the market. He is better than you guys give him credit for.

I wouldn't be surprised if Atlanta matches.

I'm pretty sure if you asked anyone who really likes THJr to bet their life that he'll shoot 38% or higher from 3PT range next season, nobody would be confident enough to take that bet. Unless they were suicidal.

You guys honestly think you can't say the same thing about Porter's 43.4 3PT%? :dontknow:

Tron Carter · Post #999 » by **Tron Carter** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:55 am

NoLayupRule wrote:
levendis wrote:Hardaway isn't that much of an upgrade over Holliday. What an awful deal

No!
He's a DOWNGRADE!

Holiday played defense and passed

Hardaway just stands there waiting to get a dish so he can jack up a three

God i hope hes improved significantly

i don't even like the signing (clearly) but there is no way hardway is a downgrade from justin friggin holiday. ya'll need to quit it with this holiday hype.

HKSVIP · Post #1000 » by **HKSVIP** » Fri Jul 7, 2017 4:56 am

KnicksGod wrote:
HKSVIP wrote:Question, is the trade kicker and player option only part of the deal if Hawks match? Like a poison pill type thing? Or is it legit part of the deal?

They have to match to a tee. Hardaway will get the exact same contract no matter where he plays. Only question is who signs the final version, us or Atlanta.