Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 3: #TheTimeline

[thamadkant]

Davon Reed is NBA ready.

He should get some minutes easily as backup SG...

[DaleyBlind]

Whats the point in buying Knight out? his contract would still count against the salary cap.

yes, but it can be stretched and gets reduced when another team signs him. Also, it's just a good gesture.

Thats not correct. Only the buyout number counts against the cap. Whatever that number is would be divided by 3 for the years he has left.

Now knight doesn't have to accept less but if he wants out and thinks he can recoup or make more the next 3 years than he gives up then he'll work something out.

I do get the feeling we're at this point with him since he's never mentioned when anyone on the suns talks about the team. We're probably in the letting his agent try to find a trade portion of this process. If we start hearing things like "knight will compete for minutes" over the next couple weeks then its a sign they can't find a trade or agree on a buyout. If knight won't give up any money then the suns might as well keep him for the time being. Because once you cut or stretch him he can't be included in a trade to match saleries. And realistically if he can't beat out ulis or reed for minutes then he has no right to complain for just sitting.

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Wait what? So if Knight accepts a $6million dollar buyout it only counts as $2 million on our cap till the original deal expires.

Are you sure that's right?

[bwgood77]

yes, but it can be stretched and gets reduced when another team signs him. Also, it's just a good gesture.

Thats not correct. Only the buyout number counts against the cap. Whatever that number is would be divided by 3 for the years he has left.

Now knight doesn't have to accept less but if he wants out and thinks he can recoup or make more the next 3 years than he gives up then he'll work something out.

I do get the feeling we're at this point with him since he's never mentioned when anyone on the suns talks about the team. We're probably in the letting his agent try to find a trade portion of this process. If we start hearing things like "knight will compete for minutes" over the next couple weeks then its a sign they can't find a trade or agree on a buyout. If knight won't give up any money then the suns might as well keep him for the time being. Because once you cut or stretch him he can't be included in a trade to match saleries. And realistically if he can't beat out ulis or reed for minutes then he has no right to complain for just sitting.

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Wait what? So if Knight accepts a $6million dollar buyout it only counts as $2 million on our cap till the original deal expires.

Are you sure that's right?

I'm not sure....I thought for sure his original salary counted against the cap, but someone posted a link to the exact Larry Coon CBA that outlined that is how it works. That may have been the old CBA, but I can't imagine they changed that part of it, but they may have....and the link and excerpt posted may have been to the new CBA rules.

[bwgood77]

The Knicks thread on their forum about signing Hardaway is already at 65 pages. That's like 1300 posts.

[AtheJ415]

So we have 14 players signed -

Booker, Jackson, Ulis, Warren, Chriss, Bender, Reed, Jones, Bledsoe, Knight, Dudley, Chandler, James, Peters.

Leaving us $18m for 3 players to reach the salary floor, possibly -

Williams / Len
Player
Player

We shouldn't care about reaching the floor. We should care about maintaining future flexibility. Much of our cap space probably gets used from absorbing a contract via trade anyways.

[lilfishi22]

The Knicks thread on their forum about signing Hardaway is already at 65 pages. That's like 1300 posts.

lol I'm sure they're ecstatic

[DaleyBlind]

Thats not correct. Only the buyout number counts against the cap. Whatever that number is would be divided by 3 for the years he has left.

Now knight doesn't have to accept less but if he wants out and thinks he can recoup or make more the next 3 years than he gives up then he'll work something out.

I do get the feeling we're at this point with him since he's never mentioned when anyone on the suns talks about the team. We're probably in the letting his agent try to find a trade portion of this process. If we start hearing things like "knight will compete for minutes" over the next couple weeks then its a sign they can't find a trade or agree on a buyout. If knight won't give up any money then the suns might as well keep him for the time being. Because once you cut or stretch him he can't be included in a trade to match saleries. And realistically if he can't beat out ulis or reed for minutes then he has no right to complain for just sitting.

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Wait what? So if Knight accepts a $6million dollar buyout it only counts as $2 million on our cap till the original deal expires.

Are you sure that's right?

I'm not sure....I thought for sure his original salary counted against the cap, but someone posted a link to the exact Larry Coon CBA that outlined that is how it works. That may have been the old CBA, but I can't imagine they changed that part of it, but they may have....and the link and excerpt posted may have been to the new CBA rules.

Thats crazy if they changed it, I had no idea.

[bwgood77]

The Knicks thread on their forum about signing Hardaway is already at 65 pages. That's like 1300 posts.

lol I'm sure they're ecstatic

Worst part isn't signing him but that it was reported Atlanta was prepared to offer him about $45 million. Not sure what they would have matched...maybe $55?

[thamadkant]

Tyreke Evans is a Free Agent...

I know he cant shoot... But he can do everything else. He can be a big Point Guard and play 3 positions.. Thinking he can he had for a reasonable contract maybe 4 years 36 million. Bargain for a potential 14ppg 5apg 5rpg guy.

[Damkac]

"I know he cant shoot... But he can do everything else. He can be a big Point Guard and play 3 positions.. Thinking he can he had for a reasonable contract maybe 4 years 36 million. Bargain for a potential 14ppg 5apg 5rpg guy."
Didn't Suns just drafted that guy?

[Qwigglez]

What happens if no teams want to help the Celtics by trading for Crowder/Smart/Bradley? If no one is willing to help, what happens to Hayward?

[thamadkant]

"I know he cant shoot... But he can do everything else. He can be a big Point Guard and play 3 positions.. Thinking he can he had for a reasonable contract maybe 4 years 36 million. Bargain for a potential 14ppg 5apg 5rpg guy."
Didn't Suns just drafted that guy?

Ahem..

Josh Jackson shot 37% from 3pt line thank you very much.


And about Tyreke... I was implying other teams... Knicks, Spurs even Jazz.

[thamadkant]

What happens if no teams want to help the Celtics by trading for Crowder/Smart/Bradley? If no one is willing to help, what happens to Hayward?

Takes a pay cut lol

[Saberestar]

Tyreke Evans is a Free Agent...

I know he cant shoot... But he can do everything else. He can be a big Point Guard and play 3 positions.. Thinking he can he had for a reasonable contract maybe 4 years 36 million. Bargain for a potential 14ppg 5apg 5rpg guy.

We don't need a player like Evans on this roster at all IMO.

We have Bledsoe, Ulis, Booker and Jackson to handle the ball and initiate offense...probably even Bender if he has improved.

If our FO wants to sign a perimeter FA, I would prefer to add a pure shooter to backup Booker. I am not sure if there is a good one available at this point. I know that we have Reed, but he needs to show us that he belongs to the league yet.

[Saberestar]

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[thamadkant]

Tyreke Evans is a Free Agent...

I know he cant shoot... But he can do everything else. He can be a big Point Guard and play 3 positions.. Thinking he can he had for a reasonable contract maybe 4 years 36 million. Bargain for a potential 14ppg 5apg 5rpg guy.

We don't need a player like Evans on this roster at all IMO.

We have Bledsoe, Ulis, Booker and Jackson to handle the ball and initiate offense...probably even Bender if he has improved.

If our FO wants to sign a perimeter FA, I would prefer to add a pure shooter to backup Booker. I am not sure if there is a good one available at this point. I know that we have Reed, but he needs to show us that he belongs to the league yet.

Yeah... Not for Suns.. I was implying other teams signing Evans.

[NavLDO]

But regarding Knight, I'm still not sure why so many feel he'd be so hard to move....

May be its because you can sign Arron Affalo (32 - G/F), Aaron Brooks (32, 5'11"), Brandon Jennings (28, but Achilles injury and is a huge defensive liability), Tony Allen (35 - G/F, never avg'd dbl digit pts in a season, 33gms in 2006 doesn't count), etc etc for a couple million, FAR LESS... and you dont have to deal with rebuilding the fragile mind of Knight.

Why is that so hard to understand? McDo is the one who staked millions on this guy. Why would any other GM take the same chance.... when it is even money Knight will be waived.

*By start of Season...

You are comparing apples to oranges, Frank. Those are guys you go after for a stop gap; Knight is a player you go after believing he'll bounce back to his '14-'15 season; here's a comparison of all 4 and their best season. 3 things to note--Knight's best season is most recent, Knight doesn't directly compare to any of them, since he's a combo guard, and 2 others are G/F, and Knight is right up there with them in every stat, and leads them in many, especially per36, which is fair for this assessment, since all played full time these seasons.

http://bkref.com/tiny/xsPyv

All it takes is one owner who thinks they can 'catch lightening in a bottle' to give us a deal on a young guy who had ONE bad season, as opposed to several poor or 'meh' seasons like the rest of the OLDER camp.

I get what you are saying, and yes, I'm nitpicking, but don't you think a GM will as well? Do you think a GM will consider Afflalo if they are looking for a Combo Guard who can fill in as a bench PG?

But in the end, I do agree for the most part, but where you think the chances of us trading Knight with our '18 pick(s) and getting back a promising, yet somewhat proven young talent are Slim and None, and Slim just left town...I believe Slim is 'still in town', and there's a little bit of hope.

So I'll back-peddle some and agree that it would be possibly more difficult than I originally believed, but I do not think it is impossible.

[Bogyo]

Heat stuck in medicority for the next 3-4 years with those contracts. That means 5th-10th place in the east, depending on their injuries. Not bad, but not too good either. I think they will try to trade Whiteside when they realize Bam can do the same at the fraction of the cost. Question is, what are they getting back, and when does this happen - I'm saying next offseason or the trade deadline in 2019. Bam has been terrific in SL, and I'm sure he will continue to rebound, swat shots, and dunk lobs in the league too.

[Moochthemonkey]

What happens if no teams want to help the Celtics by trading for Crowder/Smart/Bradley? If no one is willing to help, what happens to Hayward?

i was going to say backload his contract, but it seems his contract is already structured to make the maximum 5% annual raises

I could be wrong (again?) but if a trade doesn't work, the only thing the Celtics can do is waive both Mickey and Jackson to free up the necessary 1.8-2 million. That seems like the better option...Crowder/Smart/Bradley are great role players. Not that they will pay for all 3 and max out IT next year though

lel, you'd think the Celtics FO would have this worked about before announcing that exact salary.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Is there anyone who would take being Miami Heat over us?

James Johnson, Kelly Olynyk, Dion Waiters, Tyler Johnson have signed for over 50% of their cap in the next 4 years.

They'll win 20 more games than us this season but I take rebuilding over treadmilling.