Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 3: #TheTimeline

[bwgood77]

Already have a couple options - just depends on how much long term cap the Suns want to take back'

OPtion 1: Faried and first for Bledsoe

Option 2: ARthur, Nelson and 1 for Bledsoe - I don't like Mudiay - saves you some cap space

I like option 2 better as Nelson can be PG this year to allow time to groom one.

critique away

I like the second one also and did a variation of that in a simulated offseason. Are you sure you wouldn't have to take back more salary? Not sure where the Nuggets are cap wise.

[bwgood77]

Perhaps brilliant by default, I hope McD/Sarver continue to lie in the free agency weeds. Doing nothing seems more and more the right thing to do....

I agree that its wise to be impatient rather than get in this mess. Reading Zach Lowe - he said last year when the NBA increased the cap - it was almost like they increased it way too much as teams had money to spend so they spent it. Case in point, Orlando spent 17m per year on Bismack Biyombo - like 68m for 4 years or maybe 51 for 3. But Patrick Patterson, a good player - got 16.4m for 3 years. The Blazers just spent up the wazzoo. So this year, dollars are back to normal. Than again, I give you Tim Hardaway Jr

The NBA should have almost staggered the cap increases as its affecting this group of players

As for this offseason - keep being patient. Get players on low cost, one year deals. And again, for those teams with luxury tax concerns, take on contracts that benefit you. Aldrick for a draft pick type deals.

They wanted very much to do just this, promised the Players Association that they would still receive the same money and the PA refused. And the league can't do it without PA approval.

And the players refusing allowed the Warriors to get Durant and make it very hard for any other player not on the Warriors to win a ring for the next 5 years.

[Kerrsed]

OT, but who do you guys want in next year's draft?? Ayton or Bamba??

The Hometown product. Hillcrest High, University of Arizona's own Ayton!

[Tricky_Kid]

The Nets finally get to spend their capspace on KCP. Thankfully before Warren went on the market.

Nets cap is tied up in Otto Porter until Wiz accept or decline - can KCP wait that long or will another team come in and pay him

Who else would max him? Maybe the Hawks if they let THJ go.

I was just about to say look out for the Hawks to quickly let Hardaway go and come in strong on KCP. That would be a nice little upgrade for them at around the same price point.

Timing will be interesting here. I assume the Nets will be interested but they can't technically sign him until Washington matches the Porter deal. And with the poison pills they put in that Porter deal I would imagine Washington will string that out as long as possible to stick it to the Nets. Now I would assume KCP probably waits for the Nets to be able to make an offer before deciding what to do unless ATL offers the max and he wants to play there.

Wait what? So if Knight accepts a $6million dollar buyout it only counts as $2 million on our cap till the original deal expires.

Are you sure that's right?

This should explain in detail: https://moorebasketball.com/2016/01/19/how-it-works-the-waiver-procedure-and-contract-buyouts/

You can negotiate protected compensation (guaranteed money) on the remainder of any deal and that amount is included in your team cap like a normal guaranteed contract.

The Nets finally get to spend their capspace on KCP. Thankfully before Warren went on the market.

Nets cap is tied up in Otto Porter until Wiz accept or decline - can KCP wait that long or will another team come in and pay him

Who else would max him? Maybe the Hawks if they let THJ go.

I was just about to say look out for the Hawks to quickly let Hardaway go and come in strong on KCP. That would be a nice little upgrade for them at around the same price point.

Timing will be interesting here. I assume the Nets will be interested but they can't technically sign him until Washington matches the Porter deal. And with the poison pills they put in that Porter deal I would imagine Washington will string that out as long as possible to stick it to the Nets. Now I would assume KCP probably waits for the Nets to be able to make an offer before deciding what to do unless ATL offers the max and he wants to play there.

EG is planning to wait till the end after the Nets offered that crazy offer sheet to Porter and match it.
They will wait for the last minute.

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[BobbieL]

I agree that its wise to be impatient rather than get in this mess. Reading Zach Lowe - he said last year when the NBA increased the cap - it was almost like they increased it way too much as teams had money to spend so they spent it. Case in point, Orlando spent 17m per year on Bismack Biyombo - like 68m for 4 years or maybe 51 for 3. But Patrick Patterson, a good player - got 16.4m for 3 years. The Blazers just spent up the wazzoo. So this year, dollars are back to normal. Than again, I give you Tim Hardaway Jr

The NBA should have almost staggered the cap increases as its affecting this group of players

As for this offseason - keep being patient. Get players on low cost, one year deals. And again, for those teams with luxury tax concerns, take on contracts that benefit you. Aldrick for a draft pick type deals.

They wanted very much to do just this, promised the Players Association that they would still receive the same money and the PA refused. And the league can't do it without PA approval.

And the players refusing allowed the Warriors to get Durant and make it very hard for any other player not on the Warriors to win a ring for the next 5 years.

So two things happened - the Warriors are now dominant
And some players got lucky last year and not this year whereas possibly more players would have benefited

[BobbieL]

Already have a couple options - just depends on how much long term cap the Suns want to take back'

OPtion 1: Faried and first for Bledsoe

Option 2: ARthur, Nelson and 1 for Bledsoe - I don't like Mudiay - saves you some cap space

I like option 2 better as Nelson can be PG this year to allow time to groom one.

critique away

I like the second one also and did a variation of that in a simulated offseason. Are you sure you wouldn't have to take back more salary? Not sure where the Nuggets are cap wise.

Both worked under the trade machine but you are right - in both cases, the Suns are taking back less salary. Bledsoe is 14.5 - Faried is 12.9 and Arthur/Nelson is 12.2. So if the Nuggets in either option wanted the Suns to take Mudiay or Hernangomez -can see that.

What could make it interesting is if the Nuggets wanted Chandler along side Millsap - for this run - as the only true Center it looks to be is Jokic on their roster.

So in that casse
Chandler, Bledsoe Toronto 2nd rounder for Nelson, Faried, Arthur, Mudiay and a 1st

Waive or buyout who you have too - this trade basically is just getting an asset for Bledsoe nothing more like cap help

[BobbieL]

That was fast - Bogdan renounced by the Wizards - signed by the Pacers within hours:

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Wizards are going to make the Nets wait the entire 6 days to match for Otto

[jredsaz]

I wonder if Mr. or Mrs Hoops Hype is hearing things now that the signings are done, teams can re-assess (the Nuggets, possibly the Clippers as they are going b**ls out) and now the trade market opens

Because Bledsoe as a trade possibility has been out there

Perhaps instead of your Cole Aldrich, and "dump Brandon Knight to help teams wanting to dump contracts" deals, you can think of a worthy Bledsoe to Denver deal.

Already have a couple options - just depends on how much long term cap the Suns want to take back'

OPtion 1: Faried and first for Bledsoe

Option 2: ARthur, Nelson and 1 for Bledsoe - I don't like Mudiay - saves you some cap space

I like option 2 better as Nelson can be PG this year to allow time to groom one.

critique away

Why would the Suns do that? If you move Bledsoe you have to get rookie scale contract and a first in addition to whatever salary you take back or it's not worth while.

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[rsavaj]

That was fast - Bogdan renounced by the Wizards - signed by the Pacers within hours:

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Wizards are going to make the Nets wait the entire 6 days to match for Otto

I was really hoping Sacramento would pick him up. Bogdan + Bojan Bogdonovic duo

[BobbieL]

Perhaps instead of your Cole Aldrich, and "dump Brandon Knight to help teams wanting to dump contracts" deals, you can think of a worthy Bledsoe to Denver deal.

Already have a couple options - just depends on how much long term cap the Suns want to take back'

OPtion 1: Faried and first for Bledsoe

Option 2: ARthur, Nelson and 1 for Bledsoe - I don't like Mudiay - saves you some cap space

I like option 2 better as Nelson can be PG this year to allow time to groom one.

critique away

Why would the Suns do that? If you move Bledsoe you have to get rookie scale contract and a first in addition to whatever salary you take back or it's not worth while.

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Well adjusted if you include Mudiay - two more years on his rookie deal. I am not enamored with him but he is young that's for sure

[jcsunsfan]

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Why would this be a problem. They can meet with KCP and make him the offer. The Wizards have already said they are matching. If its where KCP wants to be, there should be no problem.

[jredsaz]

Already have a couple options - just depends on how much long term cap the Suns want to take back'

OPtion 1: Faried and first for Bledsoe

Option 2: ARthur, Nelson and 1 for Bledsoe - I don't like Mudiay - saves you some cap space

I like option 2 better as Nelson can be PG this year to allow time to groom one.

critique away

Why would the Suns do that? If you move Bledsoe you have to get rookie scale contract and a first in addition to whatever salary you take back or it's not worth while.

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Well adjusted if you include Mudiay - two more years on his rookie deal. I am not enamored with him but he is young that's for sure

The Mudiay plus salary and a 1st for Bledsoe has been out there forever. I'm not enamoured with it.

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[BobbieL]

Why would the Suns do that? If you move Bledsoe you have to get rookie scale contract and a first in addition to whatever salary you take back or it's not worth while.

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Well adjusted if you include Mudiay - two more years on his rookie deal. I am not enamored with him but he is young that's for sure

The Mudiay plus salary and a 1st for Bledsoe has been out there forever. I'm not enamoured with it.

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Well if you are the Suns - if you think Bledsoe is long term - keep him. If you don't get something of value as you are not winning the next two years and probably won't be making playoffs either.

[jredsaz]

Well adjusted if you include Mudiay - two more years on his rookie deal. I am not enamored with him but he is young that's for sure

The Mudiay plus salary and a 1st for Bledsoe has been out there forever. I'm not enamoured with it.

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Well if you are the Suns - if you think Bledsoe is long term - keep him. If you don't get something of value as you are not winning the next two years and probably won't be making playoffs either.

I think they will be able to get more than that at the deadline. But then his knees might blow up again. Idk. At this point I'm inclined to hold on to him and go after Boogie next year.

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[BobbieL]

The Mudiay plus salary and a 1st for Bledsoe has been out there forever. I'm not enamoured with it.

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Well if you are the Suns - if you think Bledsoe is long term - keep him. If you don't get something of value as you are not winning the next two years and probably won't be making playoffs either.

I think they will be able to get more than that at the deadline. But then his knees might blow up again. Idk. At this point I'm inclined to hold on to him and go after Boogie next year.

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Does Boogie fit with Chriss, Bender in the front court? I think a guy like Jackson can play with anybody

[WeekapaugGroove]

If I was a Boston fan I would not like how today has played out. For one I would much rather have moved Crowder or Smart to create space. I realize they probably looked at Bradley and said there was no way they could pay him next summer but hell I'd rather have 1 year of Bradley than 2 years of Marcus. Speaking of Marcus there probably aren't 5 players in the league I would want around my young guys less than Marcus' turd ass. And the kicker is by dealing Bradley to Detroit they renounce KCP who will now probably land in Brooklyn; and while he will be overpaid he does add some talent to that squad and could hurt that last Brooklyn picks value. Just a bad sequence of events; now I'm not shedding any tears for Boston they just landed an allstar for free and have a good future.

[thamadkant]

Wow!!!! Detroit basically saying "F-UUUUUUU!" to KCP and his scumbag agent - Rich Paul.

I can't believe they are letting him walk for nothing!


We had a few silly silly deals being handed out the 1st day of free agency, but most teams (other then the dumpster fire Knicks) have been pretty restrained.

Rich Paul probably demanding close to 20 million a year for KCP. You just know it.

Bledsoe renegotiations will be hell... Trade him.

[thamadkant]

Everything is multiplied by 50% nowadays. The $10m solid starter salary is now $15m. The $20m max deals of yesteryear is now $30m.

Lol
Should be 5m and 10m judging by the description.

[thamadkant]

OT, but who do you guys want in next year's draft?? Ayton or Bamba??

The Hometown product. Hillcrest High, University of Arizona's own Ayton!

Definitely in my books.

But he looks like he has excess HGH growing up.. The facial features... Similar to Oden. But as long as he's healthy he's my pick.