Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII

[Dark Faze]

Yea the more you guys talk about him the more I sour on craw

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Yea the more you guys talk about him the more I sour on craw

Typical Ernie move. They'll have a press conference touting him as a "savvy veteran".

[NatP4]

Crawford can still create his shot off the dribble and knock down 3s and be a nice 2nd ball handler if you use Sato as the backup PG.

I just don't get why we didn't just draft someone at 52 instead of throw that pick at Tim Frazier, and why are we using our MLE on Jodie Meeks?? He can't defend at all either.

Did they really feel comfortable enough with the frontcourt that mike scott was the only necessary addition???? LOL


I would've been happier if they just signed Patterson for the MLE and did NOTHING else at all.

[gambitx777]

Honestly we should not be looking to add any more veteran depth. We should just Sign the best two guys from summer league, get the TPE from a S&T from bogz, and work on trading Gortat, smith, and Mahinmi for what ever we think we can get then look at adding some guys if need be with what ever exceptions and room we have left under the tax. Which is harder since brooklyn ****ed us on otto. But doable. EG is gona have to swallow some pills and they ain't gona taste too good.

Honestly if im moving gortat I'd make a call to charlotte. See if I can trade Gortat or mahinmi for Zeller, Zeller needs more minutes to be effective and Mahinmi and gortat can be effective with lower usage and Zeller is gona lose minutes to Howard 100% . He is on a reasonable enough deal for the next 4 years and only 24 he will never even hit mahinmi money in that contact and he will be 28 when its done. They might do a gortat swap straight up or with minimal assets attached, But mahinmi... might take a first or more to get that done.

I find my self looking at alex len? no offers yet, I wonder if the suns would work a sign and trade?
4 years 40 mill for len, (fair enough is slightly over paid, dude 25 and still developing) for mahinmi and a 2018 second and 2019 first. or straight up for gortat?

dump smith, keep daniel ochifu or sign humpries from summer league if he plays well enough as insurance.
Wall/Tomas/Tim/Keenne
Beal/Mac/Meeks
Otto/Kelley/Robinson
Morris/Chris/Scott/Young
Zeller/Len/Ochifu or Humphries

Saves you about 6 million then 5 so 11 million should be enough to kee us out of the tax I think and thats a pretty decent young-ish team imo (no one over 30 to start the season). If you S&T bogs you can then go and pick up another piece if you are willing to eat the tax.

[gambitx777]

Crawford can still create his shot off the dribble and knock down 3s and be a nice 2nd ball handler if you use Sato as the backup PG.

I just don't get why we didn't just draft someone at 52 instead of throw that pick at Tim Frazier, and why are we using our MLE on Jodie Meeks?? He can't defend at all either.

Did they really feel comfortable enough with the frontcourt that mike scott was the only necessary addition???? LOL


I would've been happier if they just signed Patterson for the MLE and did NOTHING else at all.

Crawford would be a horrible idea.
Word was that Robinson was going to be our pick and I guess at some point EG felt that Robinson was probably no going to get taken or if he did then he would be happy picking whats left in UDF's which we did really well in this year. We got Robinson, Young and Keenne, and time all in essance for that 1 second round pick.
I like mike scott a lot, i think hes solid competition/ insurance is chris does not step up like he should.
the next 6 days is when EG is going to make some moves because hes going to want to do it before otto ties up any cap flexibility we have left.

[NatP4]

I really really like Michael Young actually, he reminds me of Paul Millsap in all of his highlights. I'm excited for Keene, Young, Robinson, Mac, McCullough in the summer league. We might be pretty good actually

[dangermouse]

Count me in as excited for SL too, might be the only bright spot of this entire offseason.

[NatP4]

Wish we would make a move for Jerian Grant. This guy is going to be buried on the bench for Chicago next year. Finally got minutes towards the end of last season and put up double digit scoring games in 3 of 4 final games. Had a 18&11 game.

23RD among PGs in ORPM, 7th in DRPM, 17th in RPM. 2 more years on a late 1st rounder rookie deal contract.

Chicago now has Payne and Dunn at the point guard position.

[dangermouse]

Wish we would make a move for Jerian Grant. This guy is going to be buried on the bench for Chicago next year. Finally got minutes towards the end of last season and put up double digit scoring games in 3 of 4 final games. Had a 18&11 game.

23RD among PGs in ORPM, 7th in DRPM, 17th in RPM. 2 more years on a late 1st rounder rookie deal contract.

Chicago now has Payne and Dunn at the point guard position.

Just cycling through trade scenarios in my head, Gortat + 2nd or Cash for Lopez + Grant? They shave a few milli dollars, they can use cash towards a buyout of Wade? No idea what they do with the money. I guess they could go the Suns current route - absorb sh*t with value attached (picks). Bring Out Your Dead trades.

[gambitx777]

Wish we would make a move for Jerian Grant. This guy is going to be buried on the bench for Chicago next year. Finally got minutes towards the end of last season and put up double digit scoring games in 3 of 4 final games. Had a 18&11 game.

23RD among PGs in ORPM, 7th in DRPM, 17th in RPM. 2 more years on a late 1st rounder rookie deal contract.

Chicago now has Payne and Dunn at the point guard position.

Just cycling through trade scenarios in my head, Gortat + 2nd or Cash for Lopez + Grant? They shave a few milli dollars, they can use cash towards a buyout of Wade? No idea what they do with the money. I guess they could go the Suns current route - absorb sh*t with value attached (picks). Bring Out Your Dead trades.

Attach a 2019 first to that deal and swap out Gortat for mahinmi and it makes sense to do it all day.

[Meliorus]

Crawford is like the poster child for empty stats, team is better without him on the court. Couldn't stay in front of a traffic cone.

[payitforward]

I don't think the Celtics really missed out on PG since he is probably going to the Lakers in a year anyway. But I am surprised they didn't make more of an effort to get Butler.

But thats the thing, they demanded 2 high firsts and 2 starters. Way to much for a rental but they demanded that from the celtics because teams know they have it. They wouldn't demand that from other teams because they know most other teams don't have that kind of war chest. its going to keep happening. until boston uses its assets.

So, you are thinking that if the Celtics had offered more -- only a little bit more, but still something people would agree counted as "more," i.e. a better deal for the Pacers -- than OKC, Indiana wouldn't have taken it, because the offer came from Boston, a team that has a lot of assets?

Now, for clarity, we're not talking about the Pacers maybe preferring to trade PG to a WC team, that's not the issue under discussion. No, what you are saying is that the Pacers would shoot themselves in the foot, b/c Boston has a lot of assets.

Basically, if that's what you think then you are really missing some basic understanding of how business dealings work. Indiana took the best offer they got, I can assure you of that. Nobody offered a lot, b/c the trade was for a 1-year rental.

[payitforward]

At least Kenne can play the point! hell I would much rather not waste spot on jamal crawford. barring any trades I would much rather not add anyone other than summer league guys. Which barring any surprises should be. Robinson and Keenne / maybe Humphries if we decide to cut ochifu.

100% agreement from me!

&, yes, cut Ochefu & keep Humphries for a year to see how he develops -- he's only 19. Definitely worth a 2-way flyer. These are very low-cost bets. If none of the 4 come through it will have cost us @ $2m at the most.

Pay scale for these new 2-way contracts is as follows. Player is guaranteed $75K & can earn more depending on how much time he spends w/ the NBA team (i.e. vs. his G League time). Most he can spend is 45 days, which takes his overall salary to $275K. That's the max cost of a 2-way salary.

If a guy comes up, plays well, & the team wants to keep him beyond the 45 day total that season, then he has to be added to the 15 man roster & comes under the usual salary rules, meaning he costs $815K if he's had no NBA experience prior to this year.

Of course, it's not always possible to make such a roster change....

[montestewart]

I don't think the Celtics really missed out on PG since he is probably going to the Lakers in a year anyway. But I am surprised they didn't make more of an effort to get Butler.

But thats the thing, they demanded 2 high firsts and 2 starters. Way to much for a rental but they demanded that from the celtics because teams know they have it. They wouldn't demand that from other teams because they know most other teams don't have that kind of war chest. its going to keep happening. until boston uses its assets.

So, you are thinking that if the Celtics had offered more -- only a little bit more, but still something people would agree counted as "more," i.e. a better deal for the Pacers -- than OKC, Indiana wouldn't have taken it, because the offer came from Boston, a team that has a lot of assets?

Now, for clarity, we're not talking about the Pacers maybe preferring to trade PG to a WC team, that's not the issue under discussion. No, what you are saying is that the Pacers would shoot themselves in the foot, b/c Boston has a lot of assets.

Basically, if that's what you think then you are really missing some basic understanding of how business dealings work. Indiana took the best offer they got, I can assure you of that. Nobody offered a lot, b/c the trade was for a 1-year rental.

Agreed. I keep hearing this assertion that people expect more from the Celtics because they have so many assets accumulated. If the Celtics were the only bidder and the Pacers weren't all that interested in selling, they might look at the Celtics assets and figure "If the price is right." Even in a bidding war, it's often worth asking for ridiculously unreasonable return before settling.

But the Pacers wanted to sell, so why wouldn't they ultimately go for the best deal available, regardless of relative wealth of bidders? I know the NBA is a pretty narrow, closed market compared with most markets, and owners and GMs do not always act rationally (boy do we know that!) but you can only take that so far.

The argument against accumulating assets Boston-style reminds me of the argument against using 2nd round picks ("how many 2nd round picks actually become rotation players"). Better to not try at all than to try and fail.

[payitforward]

Crawford can still create his shot off the dribble and knock down 3s and be a nice 2nd ball handler if you use Sato as the backup PG.

I just don't get why we didn't just draft someone at 52 instead of throw that pick at Tim Frazier, and why are we using our MLE on Jodie Meeks?? He can't defend at all either.

Did they really feel comfortable enough with the frontcourt that mike scott was the only necessary addition???? LOL

I would've been happier if they just signed Patterson for the MLE and did NOTHING else at all.

Crawford has become terrible the last few years. Time for him to retire.

As you know, I agree about the Frazier trade: we should have picked someone @#52. But... lets look at it a little differently for a minute:

At #52, I would have picked one of Devin Robinson, Alec Peters or Nigel Williams-Goss. Robinson wasn't picked, & we got him anyway -- so, if I'd picked him (& I might have) I'd have had no advantage from *not* making the trade, right? I would have gotten the guy anyway.

Furthermore, of the 9 guys picked from 52-60 -- which did include Peters & Williams-Goss but not Robinson -- there's not a single one except Peters & Williams-Goss I'd want. If I had the 3 of them rated about equal, I feel good about the trade (in fact I had Peters rated slightly higher than Robinson, but it's minor).

What ticked me off was that Ernie made the trade a day before the draft! That indicates a lazy, thoughtless decision-maker. What if someone like Thornwell (#48) or Anikbogu (#47) had dropped a few places & been there at #52 ??? Those are 2 outstanding prospects.

Now, in the end they didn't drop, & it worked out ok -- we wound up with Robinson, whom we might have picked, anyway. So, in fact, it's not clear that the trade cost us any opportunity.

See what I mean?

[NatP4]

would've attempted to make a move with Chicago for Mirotic/Grant while trying to dump Mahinmi on them with the cap space they have. Send our 1st rounder back, ink Mirotic with the full MLE.

[80sballboy]

Obviously, Wiz will have to be creative in the future
https://www.bulletsforever.com/2017/7/7/15929802/washington-wizards-free-agency-cap-space-future-moves

[Tricky_Kid]

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[BigA]

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Good. Maybe he will find someone who will pay him $16M per year, but I was starting to think he would just end up taking the QO.
Edit: So he did find a team to pay him $10.5M per.

[JWizmentality]

So...a 1st round pick to dump Nicholson. Niiiice.