2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[Paradise]

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[Palmeirense]

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As long as we don't grossly overpay i'm fine with it.

[Ror1997]

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Its funnier if you forget about the context (Bogs signing elsewhere) and just take it as Washington throwing our gift in the garbage to make sure we know we aren't friends anymore.

[Sleepyazn]

RT, **** KCP unless he coming for 12-13 a year. Rather just get salary dumps, getting Carroll/Aldrich both who comes off in two years and get young talent or drafts picks.

[Ror1997]

F KCP unless he coming for 12-13 a year.

Woah woah woah. Pause.

You can't say F a dude and talk about him coming in the same sentence without saying no homo.

[moonpie]

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[Palmeirense]

F KCP unless he coming for 12-13 a year.

Woah woah woah. Pause.

You can't say F a dude and talk about him coming in the same sentence without saying no homo.

what you did there

i see it

[PG13]

So the Nets went from "character", "culture"... to "snitch", "dui" lol the desperation is real

[kastuul]

the KCP/Russell pairing has more future in it... if the Nets are in developing mode, it makes sense... Lin is the odd man out, but if he performs like there is no tomorrow, he will still be the starting PG ... just look at IT's last couple season in Boston... things could change, ultimately it depends how the player performs

If development is more important than winning for the Nets, why the Nets started Randy Foye instead of Whitehead last season?

I don't know... above just my opinions or guesses, might not be right...
at this point of Lin's career, I am really not worried about if he starts or comes off bench, or even which team he plays for... he has evolved to be an all around good player, the league knows it, he should have his position in this league...

The Nets was 10W/14L with Lin's back. I know Lopez is gone. If Lin helps the Nets to win 35games next season, should they build on that basis or tank for Top3 draft pick in 18/19?

[PG13]

F KCP unless he coming for 12-13 a year.

Woah woah woah. Pause.

You can't say F a dude and talk about him coming in the same sentence without saying no homo.

What if Sleepyazn is a she?

[Roy Tarpley]

Talking about the players is what makes us fans.

We talk about the players because were fans.

We talk about the contracts because were GMs. Oh wait, we're not. So you can't apply that logic. Try again.

I'm not trying to be argumentative but Nets fans on this board have been talking salaries, salary caps, contracts, poison pills, RFA, Natalie Jay, front-loaded payments, etc for a long time. Hell, Prok even has a separate thread on salary caps.

So I'm not sure why you're taking a stand here when I'm basically saying that KCP at $10m is okay but at $17m is not. Hundreds of other people have made similar salary-based arguments for a bunch of UFA and RFA, not sure why you're picking an argument here.

I'm not at all saying salary isn't important. I'm not saying fans shouldn't discuss it.

I'm saying fans shouldnt factor it into their opinion as much as they do.

I can't even tell you how many posts about players there are where the idea is immediately shot down based on salary alone. Usually in the first sentence of the post too. There's all these players we shouldn't sign because of hypothetical future transactions they could mess up.

There's a valid point to be made that trades like DLo for Mosgovs contract don't fall on your lap everyday. There's also a argument to be made that not every GM is Magic Johnson

Not every salary dump is going to net you DLo. Most salary dumps aren't even going to net you a good prospect. People think that having all this space means we have room to gain all these valuable assets in salary dumps but in reality we wouldnt have anything half as appealing as DLo.

People are more concerned with the finances then how the team will play basketball.

I hear you. That's why I was generally okay with OPJ. His TS% increased every year and was at an amazing 63% last year. And he's a solid wing defender. So maybe 26m is a lot for him but his numbers and potential and roster fit seem to warrant it.

KCP on the other hand has a TS% that's hovered around 52%, which I think is terrible for a starting player (D'Lo's TS% is also 52% so there's going to be a lot of bricks from the backcourt). And he doesn't have good peripheral stats either. I wasn't impressed by his DRtg or DBPM too. All of this plus the logjam at SG, and KCP saying 5yr/80m wasn't close to what he wanted, made me feel

[Netaman]

Well, I guess it all comes down to the KCP contract now. Here are some general thoughts on that subject.

Waiters, Mills, and Ingles all resigned with their current teams for 4/52 (Snell was also in a similar ballpark). That's obviously the floor.

THJ is a pretty good comp and he just got 4/71M. However, most valued him lower than that. His value was likely inflated to create an unfriendly offer sheet.

Last year we offered Crabbe 4/$75M. He's probably the best comp for KCP even though they are slightly different players. Crabbe's a better shooter by a good margin, KCP is better at just about everything else. That said, we know Portland would pretty much give that contract away for free right now if they could.

Tyler Johnson is another interesting comp from the perspective that we valued him least of our RFA targets but after taking a big step forward this year he's probably the best all around player.

So where does that leave us? I think Marks will aggressively pursue KCP but he's not going to outbid himself. I'd be surprised but not shocked if he went as high as 4/80, and even at that number I think it would be a much more team friendly deal than the offer sheets he's had to put out. I could make an argument that simply absorbing Crabbe's 3 remaining years and a first round pick would be a better value deal, but it's not certain the Blazers would do that and I could also make a good argument that KCP has more upside than Crabbe. I'll predict 4 years 70M.

[Paradise]

So the Nets went from "character", "culture"... to "snitch", "dui" lol the desperation is real

Last time I checked, San Antonio won with a Stephen Jackson. The part of building a culture is also changing players habits. It has nothing to do with adding a bunch of nice guys.

You think Grizzlies fans care about what Randolph did with Portland or LAC? The Nets have been rumored to be interested since October 2016. I don't see what's so desperate about that. Asset collection. Porter was obviously our main target but what other under 25 wings are left?

We complain we're devoid of assets but poo poo building players into efficient contributors then complain other teams have better futures.


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[Palmeirense]

So the Nets went from "character", "culture"... to "snitch", "dui" lol the desperation is real

Last time I checked, San Antonio won with a Stephen Jackson. The part of building a culture is also changing players habits. It has nothing to do with adding a bunch of nice guys.

You think Grizzlies fans care about what Randolph did with Portland or LAC?


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San Antonio won with S-Jax while they had Duncan, Robinson and Pop, let's not forget about that, we don't have that kind of leadership on this group, at least not yet

Not that i'm agreeing with his post, i don't think Russell or KCP are bad character guys, at least they don't seem to be

[MrDollarBills]

F KCP unless he coming for 12-13 a year.

Woah woah woah. Pause.

You can't say F a dude and talk about him coming in the same sentence without saying no homo.

but...what if he is homosexual? Would he still have to say it?

[Ror1997]

You could also argue that kcp wasnt a good fit in Detroit. Plus, I think the perfect fit next to LeVert is an athletic 3&D player. If KCP is the best available pairing, then you gotta do what you gotta do.

I think the silver lining in these contracts is that they're strategic investments. TJ, Crabbe, OPJ and potentially KCP are all guys who fit what we needed. They also all play multiple positions. They aren't just getting money because they're young. Its because they're young and they fit.

[MrDollarBills]

So the Nets went from "character", "culture"... to "snitch", "dui" lol the desperation is real

Last time I checked, San Antonio won with a Stephen Jackson. The part of building a culture is also changing players habits. It has nothing to do with adding a bunch of nice guys.

You think Grizzlies fans care about what Randolph did with Portland or LAC? The Nets have been rumored to be interested since October 2016. I don't see what's so desperate about that. Asset collection. Porter was obviously our main target but what other under 25 wings are left?

We complain we're devoid of assets but poo poo building players into efficient contributors then complain other teams have better futures.


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Just because someone gets a DUI doesn't mean that they are a bad person, or devoid of character. Is that a lapse in judgement? yes it is. But you can get popped for DUI and not even be stone cold drunk. It doesn't take much to be over the limit and you could be still coherent and in control. But it is a risk, and poor judgement.

Now if KCP was a multiple offender, like Ty Lawson, then its a clear sign of not only a serious problem, but a severe character issue because clearly that person doesn't give a rat's ass about not only himself, but everyone else on the road with him.

[Roy Tarpley]

Well, this is all just my own opinion. I've loved most of Marks's moves.

Lin, Booker signings - great
Levert, Allen picks - great
Thad trade - great
Brook DLo trade - great
TJ RFA - good
Crabbe RFA - worried about that much money for one dimensional player, feel like we dodged a bullet

[Ror1997]

F KCP unless he coming for 12-13 a year.

Woah woah woah. Pause.

You can't say F a dude and talk about him coming in the same sentence without saying no homo.

but...what if he is homosexual? Would he still have to say it?

Im gonna have to consultant a cap specialist on this one

[steady]

"In a league that’s thin at shooting guard and in which it’s more important than ever to find young players who can shoot from outside and dampen high-octane perimeter scorers, a player like Caldwell-Pope seems like a perfect fit for a lot of teams."

KCP is a player you want as long as price is not exhorbitant