2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[PG13]

Hey! I'm not the one who said we only want character guys on the team. I'll take the rapist in Kobe if it means championship. AT The end of the day, no one has murdered anyone so they're all "good guys".

[PG13]

The truth is beggar can't be chooser so get off the high horse and sign whatever talent you can, character my @$$

[Palmeirense]

Hey! I'm not the one who said we only want character guys on the team. I'll take the rapist in Kobe if it means championship. AT The end of the day, no one has murdered anyone so they're all "good guys".

are people still sticking with the Kobe is a rapist narrative after nearly 15 years without any proof?

[Ror1997]

The truth is beggar can't be chooser so get off the high horse and sign whatever talent you can, character my @$$

The argument was that you can't establish a hard working culture with headcases on the team.

The best example of this was bringing in Goodwin. He was such a hot head he straight up got waived in Phoenix. Nets could've brought him in before the season started. Didn't want to take the risk because they were still trying to establish the culture.

In March, they felt comfortable enough with the locker room to bring him in. Now he's hungry, and He's grinding it out trying to improve. Remember that end of the season IG post? That was definitely encouraging.

You're reaching hard here. Don't know why either.

[steady]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theringer.com/amp/p/d61c5e7d4926

KCP may not have many suitors

He would be the only Nets player 6 5 or shorter without good playmaking abilit

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Archie would also fall in this category but seems unlikely to stay of KCP is signed ..

[NyCeEvO]

Everything else aside, I was slightly more excited for a KCP addition than Otto addition.... again maybe my mind had a different roster at that point.

I'm big on talent-per-dollar contracts and salary cap flexibility.

Never liked OPJ at this 4yr/$106.5mil max. KCP at 4yr/$70-80mil is much better for me because:
1) while OPJ is a good player who has developed over time, I do think he benefited from playing alongside Wall and Beal. He's a great catch-and-shoot player who also has the ability to slash. This combined skillset warrants him receiving a contract much higher than players who are good at just one of those skills. But at 25% of the cap, you better have at least one game-altering skill or have the ability to create for others/draw double-teams. OPJ doesn't do that.

2) KCP is more of an on-ball player and already a better and fluid ballhandler. He's no master of the PnR but he's agile and fast enough to be difficult to contain in both the halfcourt and especially on a fastbreak. IMO, it can't hurt to have 3 players who are able to dribble, drive, and shoot (although KCP isn't that all that efficient yet). KCP is and a quicker/more agile defender of 1s and 2s. Defensive lineups of Lin/KCP/Levert/RHJ could wreak havoc for stretches during games. I think RHJ is at least as good of a defender as Porter. I'd rather take the savings we'd get from not signing Porter to find a cheap stretch 4 and have RHJ guard whoever between the opposing 3 or 4 is a greater offensive thread.

3) Having cap flexibility, either in pure cap space or at least in easily movable contracts, always helps because you can benefit from salary dumps and get move contracts when needed to get better players.There will be opportunities to get players who are better than OPJ and thus are worth more money or get players who are almost as good but cost significantly less. Especially considering how even fewer teams will have cap space in the coming years, the Nets could be in a great position to accumulate good assets just for their cap space, combine those assets into a more desirable player or sign the best free agents without having to worry about much competition.

[NyCeEvO]

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Wow.

Cap space is the MVP this offseason

Cap space, asset accumulation, and flexibility and the holy trinity of the NBA religion.

[Paradise]

Atlanta has renounced Ersan Ilyasova.


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[NyCeEvO]

Is it going to come down to who is more petty (in drawing out the time to match)? Hawks (re T Hardaway) or Wiz?

I'm hoping we negotiate with kcp in hypotheticals, telling him what our deal would be if Porter is matched. If kcp is smart he'll wait til Sunday where he has a clearer picture.

Look at this from KCP's perspective...would you sit there and wait, or take the best offer that comes to you within that six days time?

he's not going to wait. The Nets just got **** ed.

He's going to wait for the best offer lol. He has nothing to lose by waiting until the Nets situation plays itself out. Like others have said, we can always agree in principle if the Wizards really want to stretch this out over 6 days. Plus, I think he'd be really interested in playing in Brooklyn and under Kenny.

[NyCeEvO]

This is my dream come true

I won't blink twice if we miss out on Porter now

KCP running with Russell, Lin, & Levert is legit heaven

I think the ballhawking defense of Lin, Levert, KCP, and RHJ would be something that would keep in us a lot of games and be an annoyance to many teams. It would be reminiscent of the 2013-15 Celtics, whose pestering defense made up for their lack of offensive talent and had them beating teams who couldn't match their effort.

[Ror1997]

This is my dream come true

I won't blink twice if we miss out on Porter now

KCP running with Russell, Lin, & Levert is legit heaven

I think the ballhawking defense of Lin, Levert, KCP, and RHJ would be something that would keep in us a lot of games and be an annoyance to many teams. It would be reminiscent of the 2013-15 Celtics, whose pestering defense made up for their lack of offensive talent and had them beating teams who couldn't match their effort.

I'm mad how I've been saying this since like February and everybody is just starting to come around to it now

[NyCeEvO]

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My boy Muscala is off the table on a cheap ass deal two 2years/10million

Cap management is the only area where I've really disagreed with Marks approach to improving this franchise.

He prides himself on finding cheap talent overseas and in the D-League, but there are proven end of rotation NBA players who can be had on cheap deals.

I don't understand mining the D-League and international leagues to sign guys to minimum deals but then massively overpaying role players which almost negates the savings you did by getting players from other leagues.

[NyCeEvO]

This is my dream come true

I won't blink twice if we miss out on Porter now

KCP running with Russell, Lin, & Levert is legit heaven

I think the ballhawking defense of Lin, Levert, KCP, and RHJ would be something that would keep in us a lot of games and be an annoyance to many teams. It would be reminiscent of the 2013-15 Celtics, whose pestering defense made up for their lack of offensive talent and had them beating teams who couldn't match their effort.

I'm mad how I've been saying this since like February and everybody is just starting to come around to it now

I liked KCP but when everyone began talking about him being $20mil+, he fell into the "overpaid" player bracket for me and I was no longer interested. If it's true that he's not in that bracket at all, then he's a good deal; if not and we sign him to a cap-killing deal, we're all coming for you.

[Prokorov]

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Wow.

Cap space is the MVP this offseason

The one saving grace is that the Knicks can't get him either because of the THJ deal. Hopefully we give him a verbal offer and he's ok with waiting

Us having our cap space tied up in porter is a GREAT thing....

like if porter wasnt an RFA we would have given KCP a max offersheet before the boston deal even happened.

[moonpie]

Flier on Anthony Randolph anyone?

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[Prokorov]

Wow.

Cap space is the MVP this offseason

The one saving grace is that the Knicks can't get him either because of the THJ deal. Hopefully we give him a verbal offer and he's ok with waiting

Is it going to come down to who is more petty (in drawing out the time to match)? Hawks (re T Hardaway) or Wiz?

no it isnt, because the hawks wont even consider matching that terrible offer sheet

[Prokorov]

He's not getting 4/72 unless that's a last resort

I think he'll get 4/58

4/60 is the abosolute least he would take. 4/72 is probably the low end of what kcp would get. thj just got 4/71 and kcp is much better

[Prokorov]

Is it going to come down to who is more petty (in drawing out the time to match)? Hawks (re T Hardaway) or Wiz?

I'm hoping we negotiate with kcp in hypotheticals, telling him what our deal would be if Porter is matched. If kcp is smart he'll wait til Sunday where he has a clearer picture.

Look at this from KCP's perspective...would you sit there and wait, or take the best offer that comes to you within that six days time?

he's not going to wait. The Nets just got **** ed.

i'd 1000000000000000% wait.

Why would you accept an offer now when the 2 teams with the most cap space to offer who have thrown stupid overpays around left and right have their money tied up? you dont take a deal without the 2 hgihest bidders being there yet.

his age should be dragged outside and shot if he doesnt force him to wait

[Prokorov]

Wait, hold on. Can someone explain to me why we even want KCP?

His numbers are not pretty: career 40.5% FG, 33% 3PT, not much contributions elsewhere, and average defender. Also, if Russell and Levert are getting 30mpg, then you only have 36 mpg to spread around with Kilpatrick, Goodwin, Whitehead, Harris.

Why didn't we just go for Green or Olynyk or Dedmon?

we didnt go after dedmon cause we dont need a center.

we were interested in olynk, according to reports.

green will probably need to wait until better FAs sign to set his market.

We would want KCP cause he is a young 2 way player with great work ethic. and we have VERY few 2 way players. 33% from three but it was on just 78% assisted. so thats actually very very good. id take that over crabbe who takes 97% assisted on and does ZERO out side of catch and shoot.

KCP is an excellent fit. the money part was the problem never the player.

as far as playing time we had the same log jam last year and kenny made it work. plus its not about this year anyway. eventually these roster spots will shake out.

[Prokorov]

Wait, hold on. Can someone explain to me why we even want KCP?

His numbers are not pretty: career 40.5% FG, 33% 3PT, not much contributions elsewhere, and average defender. Also, if Russell and Levert are getting 30mpg, then you only have 36 mpg to spread around with Kilpatrick, Goodwin, Whitehead, Harris.

Why didn't we just go for Green or Olynyk or Dedmon?

People have this idea that he's an elite defender because of highlights and he is a the last "big" name remaining. Personally I think he's bad and takes dumb ass shots without the ability to make them. However I wouldn't mind taking a chance on him at like 12-13 million a year. Anything above that is (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

aaaaand here come all the trigger linsecure fans worried about lins playing time/touches