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2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

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Post#1981 » by ChokeFasncists » Fri Jul 7, 2017 11:31 pm

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CalamityX12 wrote:What does that say about Lin? in the present....

Well, he's still the face of the franchise; with Brook gone even more so. He's the only vet leader both on and off the court. He's the only real starting caliber PG on both ends of the floor. They wanted Redick to come off the bench, I can imagine KCP would do that. Much smaller chance DRuss would do that. He was there to recruit Porter and probably will be with KCP. I'd imagine KCP can play a little bit of 3. Three guards rotation, that's pretty good. iHead and DVD might not get to play a lot unless there's injury tho. There will a tons of small lineup.

Plz be healthy!

Meanwhile, it's no sure thing KCP will come, he has many choices.

The future......who knows?

Lin will have his injuries, thats almost a given at some point(hope he's more healthy than not)

Well, an ankle sprain here and there, miss a game or two with tight back. That's fine. Just nothing serious like last year.
But that little dilemma comes back, Dlo almost for certain will not come off the bench. Which of Lin n KCP would? niether would want to i bet.

The more logical choice for me would be Lin and he could become everything in our 6th man role but didn't he want to get away from that?

I would agree that it's the more logical choice in a normal and rational world. However, with the King's absurd intervention, that logic wouldn't work very well. With no pick, it makes no sense to give the rein to all youngsters plus Mozgov. It's better to try to establish a winning culture. Let the youngsters compete for the spot and earn it. If we could get KCP for cheap it would make even more sense to have him come off the bench. No need to hand anything to DRuss, who is not without baggage; his idol is Manu anyways.
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Post#1982 » by NyCeEvO » Fri Jul 7, 2017 11:34 pm

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Read on Twitter

I must admit that this is pretty funny.

How can Marks suddenly switch to seeing KCP as the SG of the future when he publicly talked about the 3-spot as being the biggest hole to fill, is still in the middle of the matching period for OPJ, and wouldn't have the money needed for KCP if the Nets got OPJ.

This is a perfect case of beat reporters making logical inferences, but not necessarily truthful reports about what a front office is thinking at a precise moment.
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1983 » by ChokeFasncists » Fri Jul 7, 2017 11:36 pm

Paradise wrote:Atlanta has renounced Ersan Ilyasova.


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Post#1984 » by NyCeEvO » Fri Jul 7, 2017 11:37 pm

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Well, now that there aren't that many teams left who could even think about paying 5yr/$80mil, let's hope that he'll settle for a deal between $14-16mil/season.
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Post#1985 » by Curns13 » Fri Jul 7, 2017 11:41 pm

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Curns13 wrote:I was very anti-KCP but now that his price is probably 16-18M my stance has softened. I still don't see the fit. I really think LeVert is a 2 not a 3 and I don't think KCP can really play the 3 much at all. We do need young talent and he is easily the best available and now at a reasonable price, so maybe its ok.



I've never been Anti-KCP.... i've only been "anti Max deals to role players"

As far as fit i dont see how you can get a much better one. a player under 25, athletic, unselfish, hard worker, 2-way guy, shoots it well from 3 on high volume. whats not to like?

as far as whether leverts a 2 or a 3 not sure it matters much. i agree i like levert better at SG but i think they can play together and switch interchangably. and if they cant you make levert a super sub

Obviously he fits as far as talent and age goes, I'm talking about personnel. We then have 3 young guys who all best at the 2 and no one who is a true 3. Perhaps CLV will put on the required muscle to become the long term 3. Hopefully Dlo can become our long term pg and things start to balance out.
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Post#1986 » by Prokorov » Fri Jul 7, 2017 11:44 pm

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Curns13 wrote:I was very anti-KCP but now that his price is probably 16-18M my stance has softened. I still don't see the fit. I really think LeVert is a 2 not a 3 and I don't think KCP can really play the 3 much at all. We do need young talent and he is easily the best available and now at a reasonable price, so maybe its ok.



I've never been Anti-KCP.... i've only been "anti Max deals to role players"

As far as fit i dont see how you can get a much better one. a player under 25, athletic, unselfish, hard worker, 2-way guy, shoots it well from 3 on high volume. whats not to like?

as far as whether leverts a 2 or a 3 not sure it matters much. i agree i like levert better at SG but i think they can play together and switch interchangably. and if they cant you make levert a super sub

Obviously he fits as far as talent and age goes, I'm talking about personnel. We then have 3 young guys who all best at the 2 and no one who is a true 3. Perhaps CLV will put on the required muscle to become the long term 3. Hopefully Dlo can become our long term pg and things start to balance out.


yesh i mean not all these guys need to start either. one of them can be a super sub like our version of ginobili.
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Post#1987 » by Ror1997 » Fri Jul 7, 2017 11:46 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:
Paradise wrote:
Read on Twitter

I must admit that this is pretty funny.

How can Marks suddenly switch to seeing KCP as the SG of the future when he publicly talked about the 3-spot as being the biggest hole to fill, is still in the middle of the matching period for OPJ, and wouldn't have the money needed for KCP if the Nets OPJ.

This is a perfect case of beat reporters making logical inferences, but not necessarily truthful reports about what a front office is thinking at a precise moment.


Since when do the nets leak stuff like this?

I think Woj was just reporting the nets were going to be aggressive on KCP. The "Marks sees this as the backcourt of the future" could very well be woj inferring based on what he knows.

Woj is so good at breaking news that I think sometimes alot of his conclusions get mistaken for news.

Edit: nvm I didn't see your last sentence. I'll take the L
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Post#1988 » by NyCeEvO » Fri Jul 7, 2017 11:49 pm

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Born_Ready wrote:So what happens if Washington doesn't match Otto and KCP is available. Talk about a conundrum.


Washington has rescinded its rights to Bogie, i'm pretty sure they will match.

It's kinda cool knowing that we got a 1st pick (who turned out to be Allen) just for allowing Bogie to be a rental player for a few months. :)

I guess it's only a little bit like Portland getting the 6th overall pick for Gerald Wallace who they had no interest in re-signing and wasn't even going to be a part of a playoff run. :nonono:
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Post#1989 » by Prokorov » Fri Jul 7, 2017 11:50 pm

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Born_Ready wrote:So what happens if Washington doesn't match Otto and KCP is available. Talk about a conundrum.


Washington has rescinded its rights to Bogie, i'm pretty sure they will match.

It's kinda cool knowing that we got a 1st pick (who turned out to be Allen) just for allowing Bogie to be a rental player for a few months. :)

I guess it's only a little bit like Portland getting the 6th overall pick for Gerald Wallace who they had no interest in re-signing and wasn't even going to be a part of a playoff run. :nonono:


ok.. time to lock the thread. we are at 100 pages and you bring up that wallace trash deal

lock it up!
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Post#1990 » by Mkdaman1818 » Fri Jul 7, 2017 11:50 pm

Ror1997 wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:
Paradise wrote:
Read on Twitter

I must admit that this is pretty funny.

How can Marks suddenly switch to seeing KCP as the SG of the future when he publicly talked about the 3-spot as being the biggest hole to fill, is still in the middle of the matching period for OPJ, and wouldn't have the money needed for KCP if the Nets OPJ.

This is a perfect case of beat reporters making logical inferences, but not necessarily truthful reports about what a front office is thinking at a precise moment.


Since when do the nets leak stuff like this?

I think Woj was just reporting the nets were going to be aggressive on KCP. The "Marks sees this as the backcourt of the future" could very well be woj inferring based on what he knows.

Woj is so good at breaking news that I think sometimes alot of his conclusions get mistaken for news.

Edit: nvm I didn't see your last sentence. I'll take the L


It could also have been strategically leaked as part of a pitch to kcp about his role and future if he joins Brooklyn.
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Post#1991 » by steady » Sat Jul 8, 2017 12:00 am

NyCeEvO wrote:
moonpie wrote:
Read on Twitter

Well, now that there aren't that many teams left who could even think about paying 5yr/$80mil, let's hope that he'll settle for a deal between $14-16mil/season.


Yes

Dion Waiters agreed to $ 52 mill /4 - and is 25. And Tony Snell (also 25) got $46 m/ 4 from Bucks.

I think Marks has a decent argument that even $14 mill is legit offer.

BTW this Players Trib piece by Waiters is good in case anyon interested
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/dion-waiters-miami-heat-nba-is-lucky/
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Re: 2017 Nets Offseason Thread II 

Post#1992 » by ChokeFasncists » Sat Jul 8, 2017 12:02 am

NyCeEvO wrote:
Palmeirense wrote:
Born_Ready wrote:So what happens if Washington doesn't match Otto and KCP is available. Talk about a conundrum.


Washington has rescinded its rights to Bogie, i'm pretty sure they will match.

It's kinda cool knowing that we got a 1st pick (who turned out to be Allen) just for allowing Bogie to be a rental player for a few months. :)

I guess it's only a little bit like Portland getting the 6th overall pick for Gerald Wallace who they had no interest in re-signing and wasn't even going to be a part of a playoff run. :nonono:

Lets hope Nicholson can contibute. There was CMC as well
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Post#1993 » by Keith Van Horn » Sat Jul 8, 2017 12:08 am

RHJ still can't dribble a basketball LOL

did he get eye or nose surgery? he's wearing a clear mask
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Post#1994 » by MrDollarBills » Sat Jul 8, 2017 12:13 am

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Wait, aren't you president and CEO of DON"T SPEND A DAMN DIME?

He can defend but is not outstanding at it. He can hit threes but is 33% career, which is worse than Skil and Harris. If we got KCP at $8m/year, then no biggie, except for the playing time for the other players. Basically, I'm saying KCP would be a bust if we pay more than $10m for him.

But if we pay $17m+ for a mediocre KCP AND take away developmental playing time for the others, I just don't understand how it's consistent with the focus on development.


I'm the president, but I'm a pragmatist :peace: if the Nets are going to spend, i'd rather they do it on a guy that can fit in. KCP has the tools to fit in. He's better than pretty much every other guard outside of Russell/LeVert (who are more skilled than he is). we need two way players.

KCP is 23/24, we'd be developing him too.

Either I'm a co-president, prime minister, or I'm going to find some unethical things you did with the Russians and Proky in order to get you impeached. :lol:

But yeah, I agree with your statement wholeheartedly.


Many many many people will tell you that for as long as they've known me, they've never seen me do anything unethical in my life.

Ahem, so yeah I don't think we're in a position to really hold up our nose here. I'm not as down on KCP as others are, I think the guy can play and can actually thrive in this environment. I do not however, want the team to max him out.

People need to remember, we need to stack young talent. Outside of Russell, LeVert, and Lin, talent on this team is fringe. KCP is better than everyone outside of the 3 that i mentioned
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Post#1995 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jul 8, 2017 12:14 am

NyCeEvO wrote:
moonpie wrote:
Read on Twitter

Well, now that there aren't that many teams left who could even think about paying 5yr/$80mil, let's hope that he'll settle for a deal between $14-16mil/season.


i really hope we don't offer a dime more than 4/75. Let him walk if he doesn't like it, Los Angeles has great weather in the fall and winter.
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Post#1996 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jul 8, 2017 12:16 am

Mkdaman1818 wrote:
Ror1997 wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:I must admit that this is pretty funny.

How can Marks suddenly switch to seeing KCP as the SG of the future when he publicly talked about the 3-spot as being the biggest hole to fill, is still in the middle of the matching period for OPJ, and wouldn't have the money needed for KCP if the Nets OPJ.

This is a perfect case of beat reporters making logical inferences, but not necessarily truthful reports about what a front office is thinking at a precise moment.


Since when do the nets leak stuff like this?

I think Woj was just reporting the nets were going to be aggressive on KCP. The "Marks sees this as the backcourt of the future" could very well be woj inferring based on what he knows.

Woj is so good at breaking news that I think sometimes alot of his conclusions get mistaken for news.

Edit: nvm I didn't see your last sentence. I'll take the L


It could also have been strategically leaked as part of a pitch to kcp about his role and future if he joins Brooklyn.

How bout leaked by his agent? Or someone trying to piss off Caris LeVert or Jeremy Lin?
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Post#1997 » by NyCeEvO » Sat Jul 8, 2017 12:16 am

Prokorov wrote:
Mkdaman1818 wrote:
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Wow.

Cap space is the MVP this offseason


The one saving grace is that the Knicks can't get him either because of the THJ deal. Hopefully we give him a verbal offer and he's ok with waiting


Us having our cap space tied up in porter is a GREAT thing....

like if porter wasnt an RFA we would have given KCP a max offersheet before the boston deal even happened.

I get what you're saying but it's not fun when you are excited that circumstances outside of your GM's control are the only things blocking your team from overpaying a player. We already had years of fright with Billy King. I don't think my heart can take any more. :lol:
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Post#1998 » by vincecarter4pres » Sat Jul 8, 2017 12:20 am

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moonpie wrote:KCP stats filtered in games with at least 35 minutes played (35 games):

17.5 PPG
3.8 RPG
2.9 APG
1.5 SPG
42.0% FG (avg 14.5 attempts per)
36.4% 3PT (avg 7.2 attempts per)
83.5% FT (avg 3.1 attempts per)
54.9% TS%
1.1 turnovers
38.3 minutes per game

Like I said, he would be considered much better if he simply improved as a shooter and/or had better shot selection.

I guess in the games where he gets big minutes, he thinks he's Steph Curry with those 7.2 3PA. :lol:

I think Kenny would get him to calm down and see that he can be so much better if he just played a bit smarter.

Listen to some of his post game interviews on Youtube, I don't know if that's a possibility, seriously.

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Post#1999 » by Prokorov » Sat Jul 8, 2017 12:21 am

NyCeEvO wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Mkdaman1818 wrote:
The one saving grace is that the Knicks can't get him either because of the THJ deal. Hopefully we give him a verbal offer and he's ok with waiting


Us having our cap space tied up in porter is a GREAT thing....

like if porter wasnt an RFA we would have given KCP a max offersheet before the boston deal even happened.

I get what you're saying but it's not fun when you are excited that circumstances outside of your GM's control are the only things blocking your team from overpaying a player. We already had years of fright with Billy King. I don't think my heart can take any more. :lol:


dude... once is an accident, 4 times is a pattern... marks has the basketball gods looking out for him. even when he offers bad deals they never stick :lol:
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Post#2000 » by Crunky » Sat Jul 8, 2017 12:22 am

Man Kcp highlights look real good, he does a little bit of everything. His jumpshot looks silky smooth too.

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