2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[Ror1997]

I have a similar fear. Mine is that Russell will always be considered a laker playing on the nets. It feels that way so far but hopefully that feeling shakes.

[vincecarter4pres]

I have a similar fear. Mine is that Russell will always be considered a laker playing on the nets. It feels that way so far but hopefully that feeling shakes.

My underlying fear is I'll run out of ranch.

[MrDollarBills]

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this dude is determined and pissed off. he's got an edge.

that's exactly what we need. all he has to do is play hard, be humbled enough to be coached through rough spots, and be aggressive and he'll be fine. the talent is there.

i'm not even worried about this kid tbh.

I also like the fact that he is out there with his teammates. these guys all need to push each other.

My gut fears that consequences of Russell blossoming into a true mainstream 'star' is that he will continue to be polarized and compared to Lonzo Ball and will always be nitpicked for everything he does. Similar to Carmelo.




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he's going to be nitpicked because he's not a choir boy, but not necessarily a bad guy either, this how the media treats certain athletes. kind of like how odell beckham gets hammered by the nyc media. other NFL players beat women, rape women, get caught with guns and drugs. yet odell's faults are being ric flair level flamboyant and overly emotional during games and they tear him apart like he's on the same level as josh brown, the kicker who serially abused his wife. Russell's only saving grace in this area is the fact that the media folks don't care about the Nets. if he was on the Knicks they'd be dragging him.

[Mkdaman1818]

I have a similar fear. Mine is that Russell will always be considered a laker playing on the nets. It feels that way so far but hopefully that feeling shakes.

My underlying fear is I'll run out of ranch.

Blue cheese >>>> ranch

[NyCeEvO]

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this dude is determined and pissed off. he's got an edge.

that's exactly what we need. all he has to do is play hard, be humbled enough to be coached through rough spots, and be aggressive and he'll be fine. the talent is there.

i'm not even worried about this kid tbh.

I also like the fact that he is out there with his teammates. these guys all need to push each other.

My gut fears that consequences of Russell blossoming into a true mainstream 'star' is that he will continue to be polarized and compared to Lonzo Ball and will always be nitpicked for everything he does. Similar to Carmelo.




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If he blossoms into a star who cares what others think?

No one is universally loved. Everyone has haters.

He's 100% correct. You can only control what you can control so don't worry about the extra stuff. If he has to endure criticism from being a star, I'm sure he can invest in some quality noise canceling and noise isolating headphones to block all of the garbage out lol. He would be fine and Brooklyn would have his back.

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[NetSymptom]

I have a similar fear. Mine is that Russell will always be considered a laker playing on the nets. It feels that way so far but hopefully that feeling shakes.

My underlying fear is I'll run out of ranch.

Dude... Try moving down here to Texas where they put ranch on everything.

Im pretty sure everyone down here owns a gun in case they need to duel for a side of ranch

[Prokorov]

I'm good with KCP at 4yr / $56m. People seem to think that the Nets system can improve his numbers.

I'm still concerned that over 4 full years in the NBA playing heavy minutes, KCP shot 39.6%, 40.1%, 42.0%, and 39.9% and his college numbers are similar. And as a 6'5" guard, per36, he averages only 3.6 rebs and 1.9 asts, which would be worse per36 numbers than any other guard on the Nets last season. Even a 6'1" guard like Patrick Beverley averaged 5.1 rebs and 4.3 asts per36.

But who knows, maybe Kenny will turn KCP into a 43/37/82 shooter, which would be great.

40% FG really isnt all that bad when half your shots are threes. his TS% and eFG% are much more telling. not great, but not as articially poor looking as his FG%

He is better then levert and just 2 years older coming from a place that is terrible developing guys

You said the same thing about D-Lo! When you have D-Lo shooting 52% TS and KCP shooting 52% TS and RHJ as a PF shooting 52% TS, that's not looking so good.

This being said, I saw how Kemba Walker had 4 poor shooting years and then just blossomed.

Dlo and KCP are going from primary ball handlers asked to create a ton of offense to guys who will play more off ball. the lower volume alone will result in +2 TS%.

[Prokorov]

What's simultaneously concerning but encouraging is he shoots such a poor overall percentage, both overall and from deep, but with such a solid consistent form, great elevation and a lightning quick release.

I'm with Roy Tarpley though, 4 years in a row of inefficiency and bad raw percentages raise my eyebrow.

I'd be excited to get him though, but I'll temper that til I see his contract. Sure we need to take risks, but it will be gross if he somehow gets max or anywhere close to it.

i wouldnt call 35% "poor overall from deep".

[oldjim]

If KCP join nets, our lineup would be lin,kcp,levert,mozgov,RHJ,and bench would be dinwiddle, DLO,whitehead,allen,booker,

This is a good balance to win games and we would get 35-40 wins, or may be a playoff team. For the starter lineup, all five can score and defend,that will be great. For the bench, the defense was better than the offense last year, but if DLO plays as a 6th , it will improve the bench's offense, and dinwiddle,whitehead,booker are all very good defender, they can cover DLO's defensive liability.

Next year ,we need to win games to attract free player to join us.

18-19 season , Lin will option out , after one year training , hope DLO improve his defense ,then he would be our starter pg..

[MrDollarBills]

Russell is not going to come off of the bench.

[MrDollarBills]

What's simultaneously concerning but encouraging is he shoots such a poor overall percentage, both overall and from deep, but with such a solid consistent form, great elevation and a lightning quick release.

I'm with Roy Tarpley though, 4 years in a row of inefficiency and bad raw percentages raise my eyebrow.

I'd be excited to get him though, but I'll temper that til I see his contract. Sure we need to take risks, but it will be gross if he somehow gets max or anywhere close to it.

i wouldnt call 35% "poor overall from deep".

That's the one stat that stood out. That's a good %. Now pair that with what the Nets primarily rely on offensively.

I'm sold on the guy. Opinions on the numbers differ but lets just get him in here. I cannot fathom how people watched this team last year with Randy Foye and Sean Kilpatrick playing SG and are holding their noses up at this dude.

[Roy Tarpley]

What's simultaneously concerning but encouraging is he shoots such a poor overall percentage, both overall and from deep, but with such a solid consistent form, great elevation and a lightning quick release.

I'm with Roy Tarpley though, 4 years in a row of inefficiency and bad raw percentages raise my eyebrow.

I'd be excited to get him though, but I'll temper that til I see his contract. Sure we need to take risks, but it will be gross if he somehow gets max or anywhere close to it.

i wouldnt call 35% "poor overall from deep".

That's the one stat that stood out. That's a good %. Now pair that with what the Nets primarily rely on offensively.

I'm sold on the guy. Opinions on the numbers differ but lets just get him in here. I cannot fathom how people watched this team last year with Randy Foye and Sean Kilpatrick playing SG and are holding their noses up at this dude.

KCP also shot 30.9% 3PT on high volume the year before. That's terrible. Booker shot 32% and 34% in two years. KCP is a career 33% 3PT shooter. Now, I'm sure KCP will improve and with his defense, that makes him better than any other bench G on the Nets, except maybe Dinwiddie. But is that worth 4yr/$80? Does KCP, who was unceremoniously dumped by a mediocre Pistons team, deserve 1/5 of the team's salary, and he won't even be a starter his first year? People aren't holding up their noses at KCP 4/60, they holding up their noses at KCP 4/80. If we got Avery Bradley for 4/80, I'd support that.

If KCP makes a Kemba leap to become a 43/37/82 player with good defense, then that's a different scenario. I just don't like KCP's trajectory over his first 4 years.

I'm forming an exploratory committee to run for President of DON'T SPEND A DAMN DIME

[Roy Tarpley]

Lin (30) / Dinwiddie (10) / Whitehead (8)
DLo (30) / KCP (18)
Levert (28) / KCP (12) / Harris (8)
RHJ (26) / Booker (22)
Mozgov (24) / Allen (16) / Hamilton (8)

Skil's pretty much done, right? Any development for Goodwin? Where does Acy get his minutes? Does this mean Booker is done too?

[Netaman]

Being in talent acquisition mode is 100% the correct description of where we stand right now and adding KCP furthers that goal if the contract is reasonable. He looks like a really good on ball defender and while the numbers seem to say he's not a lights out shooter, they also say he's been a pretty good overall scorer and at the moment it's not a given at all that LeVert is better than he is (or will ever be).

Lin - Russell - KCP gives us 3 guys who can play somewhat interchangeably handling the ball, scoring and defending. The front court is still hurting for someone who can put the ball in the basket, but having LeVert or RHJ start the season as depth off the bench is a good problem.

[Netaman]

Lin (30) / Dinwiddie (10) / Whitehead (8)
DLo (30) / KCP (18)
Levert (28) / KCP (12) / Harris (8)
RHJ (26) / Booker (22)
Mozgov (24) / Allen (16) / Hamilton (8)

Skil's pretty much done, right? Any development for Goodwin? Where does Acy get his minutes? Does this mean Booker is done too?

KCP 100% starts over Levert. I agree Skil is likely the odd man out since he's older and not a good defender. Goodwin likely competes with Acy, Harris, Whitehead and Dinwiddie in camp - probably only enough regular minutes for 2 of those guys. Booker is likely our first big off the bench and I doubt they trade him. He fits what they want from a leadership standpoint, he'll be solid in that role, and he keeps 9M coming off the books next summer.

[Roy Tarpley]

Being in talent acquisition mode is 100% the correct description of where we stand right now and adding KCP furthers that goal if the contract is reasonable. He looks like a really good on ball defender and while the numbers seem to say he's not a lights out shooter, they also say he's been a pretty good overall scorer and at the moment it's not a given at all that LeVert is better than he is (or will ever be).

Lin - Russell - KCP gives us 3 guys who can play somewhat interchangeably handling the ball, scoring and defending. The front court is still hurting for someone who can put the ball in the basket, but having LeVert or RHJ start the season as depth off the bench is a good problem.

Prok says KCP's numbers will improve because he won't be handling the ball so much but you say KCP will be an interchangeable ball handler, which suggests his numbers won't improve. The good news is that his dude does NOT turn the ball over -- he was a ball handler on the Pistons but averaged only an anemic 1.1 TOs per game. But KCP's career PER is also an atrocious 11.7.

[Roy Tarpley]

Lin (30) / Dinwiddie (10) / Whitehead (8)
DLo (30) / KCP (18)
Levert (28) / KCP (12) / Harris (8)
RHJ (26) / Booker (22)
Mozgov (24) / Allen (16) / Hamilton (8)

Skil's pretty much done, right? Any development for Goodwin? Where does Acy get his minutes? Does this mean Booker is done too?

KCP 100% starts over Levert. I agree Skil is likely the odd man out since he's older and not a good defender. Goodwin likely competes with Acy, Harris, Whitehead and Dinwiddie in camp - probably only enough regular minutes for 2 of those guys. Booker is likely our first big off the bench and I doubt they trade him. He fits what they want from a leadership standpoint, he'll be solid in that role, and he keeps 9M coming off the books next summer.

They're gonna start a 6'5" KCP over a 6'7" Levert at SF? Has KCP ever played at SF? It'll be a fast team at least.

[Mkdaman1818]

Lin (30) / Dinwiddie (10) / Whitehead (8)
DLo (30) / KCP (18)
Levert (28) / KCP (12) / Harris (8)
RHJ (26) / Booker (22)
Mozgov (24) / Allen (16) / Hamilton (8)

Skil's pretty much done, right? Any development for Goodwin? Where does Acy get his minutes? Does this mean Booker is done too?

KCP 100% starts over Levert. I agree Skil is likely the odd man out since he's older and not a good defender. Goodwin likely competes with Acy, Harris, Whitehead and Dinwiddie in camp - probably only enough regular minutes for 2 of those guys. Booker is likely our first big off the bench and I doubt they trade him. He fits what they want from a leadership standpoint, he'll be solid in that role, and he keeps 9M coming off the books next summer.

They're gonna start a 6'5" KCP over a 6'7" Levert at SF? Has KCP ever played at SF? It'll be a fast team at least.

We're basically adopting positionless basketball. It's more about who the players on the floor can guard. If they sign kcp then they have a rotation of lin Russell and kcp as ball-handlers, which is what they're classifying the "backcourt" as.

[Netaman]

Being in talent acquisition mode is 100% the correct description of where we stand right now and adding KCP furthers that goal if the contract is reasonable. He looks like a really good on ball defender and while the numbers seem to say he's not a lights out shooter, they also say he's been a pretty good overall scorer and at the moment it's not a given at all that LeVert is better than he is (or will ever be).

Lin - Russell - KCP gives us 3 guys who can play somewhat interchangeably handling the ball, scoring and defending. The front court is still hurting for someone who can put the ball in the basket, but having LeVert or RHJ start the season as depth off the bench is a good problem.

Prok says KCP's numbers will improve because he won't be handling the ball so much but you say KCP will be an interchangeable ball handler, which suggests his numbers won't improve. The good news is that his dude does NOT turn the ball over -- he was a ball handler on the Pistons but averaged only an anemic 1.1 TOs per game. But KCP's career PER is also an atrocious 11.7.

I meant interchangeably more in the defensive matchup sense, I think offensively Atkinson will go in with an open mind and see what works. That might result in KCP handling it less, it might result in him handling it more than he did in Detroit where SVG has roles very set. The main thing that's important is that KCP basically has the same length as LeVert and we know the main guys who they'll both be matched up with at SF/SG - Derozan, Hayward, etc. I think they can both play there most of the time and in the rarity that other teams go bigger they have RHJ.

[Netaman]

Lin (30) / Dinwiddie (10) / Whitehead (8)
DLo (30) / KCP (18)
Levert (28) / KCP (12) / Harris (8)
RHJ (26) / Booker (22)
Mozgov (24) / Allen (16) / Hamilton (8)

Skil's pretty much done, right? Any development for Goodwin? Where does Acy get his minutes? Does this mean Booker is done too?

KCP 100% starts over Levert. I agree Skil is likely the odd man out since he's older and not a good defender. Goodwin likely competes with Acy, Harris, Whitehead and Dinwiddie in camp - probably only enough regular minutes for 2 of those guys. Booker is likely our first big off the bench and I doubt they trade him. He fits what they want from a leadership standpoint, he'll be solid in that role, and he keeps 9M coming off the books next summer.

They're gonna start a 6'5" KCP over a 6'7" Levert at SF? Has KCP ever played at SF? It'll be a fast team at least.

LeVert's standing reach at draft combine was 8'5, wingspan 6'10, weight 191
KCP's standing reach was 8'4.5, wingspan 6'8, weight 204

Also for comparison:
Gordon Hayward's standing reach was 8'7, wingspan 6'8, weight 211 (he's listed heavier now at 226).