Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017

[RingsDontLie]

buddy hield and brandon ingram are going to ball out this year. MIP could be one of those two.

Ya Hield really reminds me of Mitch Richmond. Dude has potential.

[akhan786]

Daaaang were people calling simmons a turd when he went 2-9 in his debut. I'm really not concerned after one summer game. Fultz wasn't exactly spectacular going 6-19 himself in one summer game. I thought Ball had a bad game. There were a couple of plays when he went around his man and looked like he had an easy bucket but decided to pass instead. That to me just shows it's all mental for him right now.

But the main issue is that we played real slow. The game dragged because there were tons of foul calls.

The issue with Ball is that his game isn't really about scoring. I was expecting like 10 points today and what I got was surprisingly worst. I thought he made some good passes out there however. But he's definitely got to get use to the NBA.

As for Ingram, 26 points should be the norm for him going forward. In the regular season I expect that to drop down a little to say, 22ppg. Ingram is really going to grow this season, especially since he is on a young team.

There is no way skeleton averages 22 a game or anywhere near that.

I think a balanced statline of 17/6/5 with a couple blocks/steals and significantly better shooting percentages would mean that he's on the right track. I don't think we'll be able to see what Ingram is truly capable of until he puts on 20 more pounds which I don't will happen until after his 3rd year.

[teerfour+40LG]

Hield with 2 bad turnovers already, so looks like that serious problem is still there.

Fox looks good though.

[Maury2423]

Watching Fox talking and pointing for players to go to a spot on the court is a beautiful thing

He's like a veteran PG already by doing that. I think he's going to be a great player.

I know we haven't seen Frank yet but man I wish we had Fox

[RingsDontLie]

The Clippers D-League team and random summer-league pickups just beat the Lakers future Core LOL?

That's a bit of a stretch. Clippers summer league team has quite a few older vets out there that are adjusted to the nba level of play. We got basically five teens out there, 2 of them are still 19 in zubac/ingram with regular season experience....and Ball/Kuzma/Josh/Bryant in their first real NBA game and still probably 18 years old...and all of these guys have limited time playing together.

Most of those clipper summer league players are in their mid-twenties and probably play with each other on a regular basis.

The only returning player is Brice who's like 23. Everyone else is new to the roster or a rookie.

Your roster is full of guys all well into their 20s from first glance.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Los-Angeles-Clippers/12/Rosters/Summer_League

[jimross]

Watching Fox talking and pointing for players to go to a spot on the court is a beautiful thing

He's like a veteran PG already by doing that. I think he's going to be a great player.

I know we haven't seen Frank yet but man I wish we had Fox

I'd be more pissed of at passing on DSJ. He will be the best PG from this class.

[Neeva]

Fox is going to better than Ball, its so obvious

Anyone with a brain could see that in their match up in the ncaa tourney...just saying

[teerfour+40LG]

Buddy redeeming himself a little bit with that drive, but that pass to the rolling big was terrible, because he had no where to go. Frank Mason showed him how to do it by passing to him when he had an open layup.

[Patsfan1081]

Sac has so many young nice players but still missing that elite prospect. I just don't understand all these vet signings, I understand they could use some vet leadership but they could also really use a top three pick in the next draft.

[OkcSinceSGA]

That's a bit of a stretch. Clippers summer league team has quite a few older vets out there that are adjusted to the nba level of play. We got basically five teens out there, 2 of them are still 19 in zubac/ingram with regular season experience....and Ball/Kuzma/Josh/Bryant in their first real NBA game and still probably 18 years old...and all of these guys have limited time playing together.

Most of those clipper summer league players are in their mid-twenties and probably play with each other on a regular basis.

The only returning player is Brice who's like 23. Everyone else is new to the roster or a rookie.

Your roster is full of guys all well into their 20s from first glance.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Los-Angeles-Clippers/12/Rosters/Summer_League

Yes and far inferior prospects or skilled players apparently.

[Duffman100]

Watching John Stockton's son, Sam Cassell's son, Gary Payton's son...really makes me feel old.

[Maury2423]

He's like a veteran PG already by doing that. I think he's going to be a great player.

I know we haven't seen Frank yet but man I wish we had Fox

I'd be more pissed of at passing on DSJ. He will be the best PG from this class.

I think he'll be the most talented PG from the draft but I just Fox's game and would rather have him as my PG

[CalGTR]

Daaaang were people calling simmons a turd when he went 2-9 in his debut. I'm really not concerned after one summer game. Fultz wasn't exactly spectacular going 6-19 himself in one summer game. I thought Ball had a bad game. There were a couple of plays when he went around his man and looked like he had an easy bucket but decided to pass instead. That to me just shows it's all mental for him right now.

But the main issue is that we played real slow. The game dragged because there were tons of foul calls.

The issue with Ball is that his game isn't really about scoring. I was expecting like 10 points today and what I got was surprisingly worst. I thought he made some good passes out there however. But he's definitely got to get use to the NBA.

As for Ingram, 26 points should be the norm for him going forward. In the regular season I expect that to drop down a little to say, 22ppg. Ingram is really going to grow this season, especially since he is on a young team.

Neutral observer here, very surprised at what I saw from Ball tonight, and I'm not really talking about his poor shooting. Even if we gift him 35% of those shots, the player we saw tonight does not look like he's worth a 1st rd pick, let alone #2.

Respectfully, there was nothing encouraging about his performance. About the only successful passes he made were of the easiest, no-pressure variety. On the few times he tried to drive and dish, his passes out to the perimeter were awful. So awful that the recipient had no chance to get a shot off. Ball looked slow, un-explosive, and completely overmatched. His defense was as bad as I've seen. Again, slow. No explosion. No technique. His body looks completely unprepared for the NBA. Sure, that will improve, but just look at all the other rookies - those guys look like they've put in the work. Ball looks soft. He's got good length, but that's about it.

Will he shoot better? Well, sure. I assume he won't shoot 15% or whatever his entire career. But it wouldn't surprise me to see that broken shot of his keep him at 30-35% from 3, and even then those would have to be uncontested. That technique of bringing the ball up from down left up across his face to the right is just not going to produce the kind of repeatable results the best shooters have. Mechanics matter. If he turns into an amazing playmaker somehow (which is tough to see with his lack of handle and lack of quickness), 35% from three would be OK. If he's just a perimeter facilitator with no real ability to create his own shot or break a defense down, then 35% wouldn't be enough to justify his place on the floor. Particularly with the awful defense.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but I'm shocked at this point that the Lakers picked a guy with such marked weaknesses at #2 in the draft.

[Upperclass]

Josh Jackson is not going to be a good offensive player.. his first step is pretty slow off the bounce and has a very basic handle. Coupled with a bad J.. not a good mix

[Jkam31]

Announcers still talking about Ball


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[Higgs Boston]

I love the poll results, Ball just got 1-2 votes in the last few hours.

[dballislife]

man the kings picked that huge white guy pretty high out of nowhere last year, he kinda sucks

[Patsfan1081]

Josh Jackson is not going to be a good offensive player.. his first step is pretty slow off the bounce and has a very basic handle. Coupled with a bad J.. not a good mix

I didn't really realize that he's not very good at creating his own shot, he could be a decent pick and roll player, especially good attacking the basket though. I wouldn't be surprised also if he scored a decent amount of offensive rebounds also.

[Upperclass]

^He's aggressive going to the hoop. I def. like his assertiveness. He seems very alpha (j. jackson that is)

[PierceFan4ever]

Lol the poll 3 hours ago was 14-14 Tatum and Ball now it's 33-18 Tatum over Ball