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Upperclass wrote:Josh Jackson is not going to be a good offensive player.. his first step is pretty slow off the bounce and has a very basic handle. Coupled with a bad J.. not a good mix
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CalGTR wrote:RingsDontLie wrote:Daaaang were people calling simmons a turd when he went 2-9 in his debut. I'm really not concerned after one summer game. Fultz wasn't exactly spectacular going 6-19 himself in one summer game. I thought Ball had a bad game. There were a couple of plays when he went around his man and looked like he had an easy bucket but decided to pass instead. That to me just shows it's all mental for him right now.
But the main issue is that we played real slow. The game dragged because there were tons of foul calls.
The issue with Ball is that his game isn't really about scoring. I was expecting like 10 points today and what I got was surprisingly worst. I thought he made some good passes out there however. But he's definitely got to get use to the NBA.
As for Ingram, 26 points should be the norm for him going forward. In the regular season I expect that to drop down a little to say, 22ppg. Ingram is really going to grow this season, especially since he is on a young team.
Neutral observer here, very surprised at what I saw from Ball tonight, and I'm not really talking about his poor shooting. Even if we gift him 35% of those shots, the player we saw tonight does not look like he's worth a 1st rd pick, let alone #2.
Respectfully, there was nothing encouraging about his performance. About the only successful passes he made were of the easiest, no-pressure variety. On the few times he tried to drive and dish, his passes out to the perimeter were awful. So awful that the recipient had no chance to get a shot off. Ball looked slow, un-explosive, and completely overmatched. His defense was as bad as I've seen. Again, slow. No explosion. No technique. His body looks completely unprepared for the NBA. Sure, that will improve, but just look at all the other rookies - those guys look like they've put in the work. Ball looks soft. He's got good length, but that's about it.
Will he shoot better? Well, sure. I assume he won't shoot 15% or whatever his entire career. But it wouldn't surprise me to see that broken shot of his keep him at 30-35% from 3, and even then those would have to be uncontested. That technique of bringing the ball up from down left up across his face to the right is just not going to produce the kind of repeatable results the best shooters have. Mechanics matter. If he turns into an amazing playmaker somehow (which is tough to see with his lack of handle and lack of quickness), 35% from three would be OK. If he's just a perimeter facilitator with no real ability to create his own shot or break a defense down, then 35% wouldn't be enough to justify his place on the floor. Particularly with the awful defense.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but I'm shocked at this point that the Lakers picked a guy with such marked weaknesses at #2 in the draft.
ClipsFanSince98 wrote:RingsDontLie wrote:ClipsFanSince98 wrote:
The only returning player is Brice who's like 23. Everyone else is new to the roster or a rookie.
Your roster is full of guys all well into their 20s from first glance.
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Los-Angeles-Clippers/12/Rosters/Summer_League
Yes and far inferior prospects or skilled players apparently.
DaleyBlind wrote:Fox is going to better than Ball, its so obvious
Coxy wrote:I think with a PG like George Hill, they'd be better than current.
akhan786 wrote:theo42 wrote:RingsDontLie wrote:Daaaang were people calling simmons a turd when he went 2-9 in his debut. I'm really not concerned after one summer game. Fultz wasn't exactly spectacular going 6-19 himself in one summer game. I thought Ball had a bad game. There were a couple of plays when he went around his man and looked like he had an easy bucket but decided to pass instead. That to me just shows it's all mental for him right now.
But the main issue is that we played real slow. The game dragged because there were tons of foul calls.
The issue with Ball is that his game isn't really about scoring. I was expecting like 10 points today and what I got was surprisingly worst. I thought he made some good passes out there however. But he's definitely got to get use to the NBA.
As for Ingram, 26 points should be the norm for him going forward. In the regular season I expect that to drop down a little to say, 22ppg. Ingram is really going to grow this season, especially since he is on a young team.
There is no way skeleton averages 22 a game or anywhere near that.
I think a balanced statline of 17/6/5 with a couple blocks/steals and significantly better shooting percentages would mean that he's on the right track. I don't think we'll be able to see what Ingram is truly capable of until he puts on 20 more pounds which I don't will happen until after his 3rd year.
DaleyBlind wrote:Suns and Kings really dont like each other, we had scuffles last year as well, lol
keep posting the same thing over and over again try to convince yourself that he will be okay.RingsDontLie wrote:CalGTR wrote:RingsDontLie wrote:Daaaang were people calling simmons a turd when he went 2-9 in his debut. I'm really not concerned after one summer game. Fultz wasn't exactly spectacular going 6-19 himself in one summer game. I thought Ball had a bad game. There were a couple of plays when he went around his man and looked like he had an easy bucket but decided to pass instead. That to me just shows it's all mental for him right now.
But the main issue is that we played real slow. The game dragged because there were tons of foul calls.
The issue with Ball is that his game isn't really about scoring. I was expecting like 10 points today and what I got was surprisingly worst. I thought he made some good passes out there however. But he's definitely got to get use to the NBA.
As for Ingram, 26 points should be the norm for him going forward. In the regular season I expect that to drop down a little to say, 22ppg. Ingram is really going to grow this season, especially since he is on a young team.
Neutral observer here, very surprised at what I saw from Ball tonight, and I'm not really talking about his poor shooting. Even if we gift him 35% of those shots, the player we saw tonight does not look like he's worth a 1st rd pick, let alone #2.
Respectfully, there was nothing encouraging about his performance. About the only successful passes he made were of the easiest, no-pressure variety. On the few times he tried to drive and dish, his passes out to the perimeter were awful. So awful that the recipient had no chance to get a shot off. Ball looked slow, un-explosive, and completely overmatched. His defense was as bad as I've seen. Again, slow. No explosion. No technique. His body looks completely unprepared for the NBA. Sure, that will improve, but just look at all the other rookies - those guys look like they've put in the work. Ball looks soft. He's got good length, but that's about it.
Will he shoot better? Well, sure. I assume he won't shoot 15% or whatever his entire career. But it wouldn't surprise me to see that broken shot of his keep him at 30-35% from 3, and even then those would have to be uncontested. That technique of bringing the ball up from down left up across his face to the right is just not going to produce the kind of repeatable results the best shooters have. Mechanics matter. If he turns into an amazing playmaker somehow (which is tough to see with his lack of handle and lack of quickness), 35% from three would be OK. If he's just a perimeter facilitator with no real ability to create his own shot or break a defense down, then 35% wouldn't be enough to justify his place on the floor. Particularly with the awful defense.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but I'm shocked at this point that the Lakers picked a guy with such marked weaknesses at #2 in the draft.
There was a guy that went number 1 with some marked weaknesses in the draft...namely no jumpshot..his name was Simmons.
But Lonzo doesn't have a bad shot.
One bad night doesn't erase the fact that he shot well over 50% FG in college. He was consistent in college. Why does one bad summer league game make him a poor inconsistent shooter from a neutral observer? I don't get it. I have to tell you under that kind of pressure around him...not many people would perform that well. This guy is getting tons of attention...and he's in a franchise where that attention gets magnified 100x more.
All he needs to do is loosen up really and he'll have a far better game imo.
Upperclass wrote:^He's aggressive going to the hoop. I def. like his assertiveness. He seems very alpha (j. jackson that is)
theo42 wrote:akhan786 wrote:theo42 wrote:There is no way skeleton averages 22 a game or anywhere near that.
I think a balanced statline of 17/6/5 with a couple blocks/steals and significantly better shooting percentages would mean that he's on the right track. I don't think we'll be able to see what Ingram is truly capable of until he puts on 20 more pounds which I don't will happen until after his 3rd year.
I agree. He is on the right track but he is not gonna average 22 a game this year like that other guy was saying. 17, 6 and 5 is very doable with 1.5 steals and 1 block a game is a great season from him this year.
RingsDontLie wrote:CalGTR wrote:RingsDontLie wrote:Daaaang were people calling simmons a turd when he went 2-9 in his debut. I'm really not concerned after one summer game. Fultz wasn't exactly spectacular going 6-19 himself in one summer game. I thought Ball had a bad game. There were a couple of plays when he went around his man and looked like he had an easy bucket but decided to pass instead. That to me just shows it's all mental for him right now.
But the main issue is that we played real slow. The game dragged because there were tons of foul calls.
The issue with Ball is that his game isn't really about scoring. I was expecting like 10 points today and what I got was surprisingly worst. I thought he made some good passes out there however. But he's definitely got to get use to the NBA.
As for Ingram, 26 points should be the norm for him going forward. In the regular season I expect that to drop down a little to say, 22ppg. Ingram is really going to grow this season, especially since he is on a young team.
Neutral observer here, very surprised at what I saw from Ball tonight, and I'm not really talking about his poor shooting. Even if we gift him 35% of those shots, the player we saw tonight does not look like he's worth a 1st rd pick, let alone #2.
Respectfully, there was nothing encouraging about his performance. About the only successful passes he made were of the easiest, no-pressure variety. On the few times he tried to drive and dish, his passes out to the perimeter were awful. So awful that the recipient had no chance to get a shot off. Ball looked slow, un-explosive, and completely overmatched. His defense was as bad as I've seen. Again, slow. No explosion. No technique. His body looks completely unprepared for the NBA. Sure, that will improve, but just look at all the other rookies - those guys look like they've put in the work. Ball looks soft. He's got good length, but that's about it.
Will he shoot better? Well, sure. I assume he won't shoot 15% or whatever his entire career. But it wouldn't surprise me to see that broken shot of his keep him at 30-35% from 3, and even then those would have to be uncontested. That technique of bringing the ball up from down left up across his face to the right is just not going to produce the kind of repeatable results the best shooters have. Mechanics matter. If he turns into an amazing playmaker somehow (which is tough to see with his lack of handle and lack of quickness), 35% from three would be OK. If he's just a perimeter facilitator with no real ability to create his own shot or break a defense down, then 35% wouldn't be enough to justify his place on the floor. Particularly with the awful defense.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but I'm shocked at this point that the Lakers picked a guy with such marked weaknesses at #2 in the draft.
There was a guy that went number 1 with some marked weaknesses in the draft...namely no jumpshot..his name was Simmons.
But Lonzo doesn't have a bad shot.
One bad night doesn't erase the fact that he shot well over 50% FG in college. He was consistent in college. Why does one bad summer league game make him a poor inconsistent shooter from a neutral observer? I don't get it. I have to tell you under that kind of pressure around him...not many people would perform that well. This guy is getting tons of attention...and he's in a franchise where that attention gets magnified 100x more.
All he needs to do is loosen up really and he'll have a far better game imo.
Neeva wrote:All these ExcuxesRingsDontLie wrote:CalGTR wrote:
Neutral observer here, very surprised at what I saw from Ball tonight, and I'm not really talking about his poor shooting. Even if we gift him 35% of those shots, the player we saw tonight does not look like he's worth a 1st rd pick, let alone #2.
Respectfully, there was nothing encouraging about his performance. About the only successful passes he made were of the easiest, no-pressure variety. On the few times he tried to drive and dish, his passes out to the perimeter were awful. So awful that the recipient had no chance to get a shot off. Ball looked slow, un-explosive, and completely overmatched. His defense was as bad as I've seen. Again, slow. No explosion. No technique. His body looks completely unprepared for the NBA. Sure, that will improve, but just look at all the other rookies - those guys look like they've put in the work. Ball looks soft. He's got good length, but that's about it.
Will he shoot better? Well, sure. I assume he won't shoot 15% or whatever his entire career. But it wouldn't surprise me to see that broken shot of his keep him at 30-35% from 3, and even then those would have to be uncontested. That technique of bringing the ball up from down left up across his face to the right is just not going to produce the kind of repeatable results the best shooters have. Mechanics matter. If he turns into an amazing playmaker somehow (which is tough to see with his lack of handle and lack of quickness), 35% from three would be OK. If he's just a perimeter facilitator with no real ability to create his own shot or break a defense down, then 35% wouldn't be enough to justify his place on the floor. Particularly with the awful defense.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but I'm shocked at this point that the Lakers picked a guy with such marked weaknesses at #2 in the draft.
There was a guy that went number 1 with some marked weaknesses in the draft...namely no jumpshot..his name was Simmons.
But Lonzo doesn't have a bad shot.
One bad night doesn't erase the fact that he shot well over 50% FG in college. He was consistent in college. Why does one bad summer league game make him a poor inconsistent shooter from a neutral observer? I don't get it. I have to tell you under that kind of pressure around him...not many people would perform that well. This guy is getting tons of attention...and he's in a franchise where that attention gets magnified 100x more.
All he needs to do is loosen up really and he'll have a far better game imo.
RingsDontLie wrote:Yes, I've adopted the 76er fan mentality. "Trusting the Process"
Hey if they can wait half a decade for Embiid to get half a season of play I can wait a couple of summer league game before hitting the panic button.
MR28 wrote:RingsDontLie wrote:Yes, I've adopted the 76er fan mentality. "Trusting the Process"
Hey if they can wait half a decade for Embiid to get half a season of play I can wait a couple of summer league game before hitting the panic button.
Hop off our nuts. Embiid is 23131x the prospect Ball is anyway.