Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 3: #TheTimeline

[BobbieL]

I have zero idea who Trey Rodriguez is other than his twitter bio so credibility could be closer to Jordan Schultz and Kennedy - or worse. Meaning, if this were Shelburne or Woj - it would be happening. This gguy, who knows - but he has the Suns/Cavs/Knicks talking Melo to Cleveland and Love to Phoenix

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So, first, I really don't believe it because they stopped the pursuit of Millsap and except for the dollars - was the same three years as LOve. It just doesn't make sense unless Knight is traded because he has three years left.

But hypothetically - for me, these are the untouchables:
Booker, Bender, Chriss, Jackson, Ulis, the Suns first round pick in 2018 . Miami unprotected pick in 2021 and other Suns first rounders except maybe lottery protected in like 2020

Not untouchable but close
Warren and even probably Reed

Trade away if need be
Chandler, Knight, Bledsoe, Miami pick in 2018 IF not in the lottery, 2nd rounders, Derrick Jones, rights to Peters

So maybe something like this
Cleveland Melo
Knicks: Knight Bledsoe Warren and Miami 1st
Suns: Love and Shumpert

So again, now that I put together an actual trade that doesn't involve my untouchables, this seems more Jordan Schultz than a WojBomb

I saw that too. For what it's worth people on the knicks board who are familiar with this guy think he's full of ****.


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That's what I am thinking. Two guys in Vegas at side by side slot machines and all of the sudden - the trade is back on

In the trade machine - I did do this trade
Cleveland: Chandler and Melo
Knicks: Knight, Tristan and Warren
Suns: Love , Shumpert and O'Quinn

But the Knicks are going to get Tim Hardaway Jr - why do they need Knight -substitute Bledsoe - it still works. But they just drafted a rookie PG. So, I think your assessment - full of bovine excrement, is it.

[NavLDO]

really....already discussing next yrs pick ????? Cant we go into this season with just a glimmer of a notion to win games? This is subtle tank talk you are engaging in.

I think half of you around here are so used to losing that it has become second nature

Have you seen how much our conference has improved?

I'm sorry, but are McD's hands tied? Is he not allowed to play in FA with the rest of the GMs? That's a cop-out, IMO. McD needs to get creative, take the assets we have, make our OWN trades to get better. There are players out there to be had; McD just needs to find the right pkg of players and picks to bring it home. And no, I'm not suggesting going after players like Dwight Howard, but I am showing that players like Paul, Gallinari, and George can be had for the right pkg of assets, which we now have PLENTY of.

Exhibit A...
Chris Paul was acquired by the Houston Rockets from the Los Angeles Clippers in exchange for Patrick Beverley, Sam Dekker, Montrezl Harrell, Darrun Hilliard, DeAndre Liggins, Lou Williams, Kyle Wiltjer, cash and a TPE.

Exhibit B...
Victor Oladipo and Domas Sabonis were acquired by the Indiana Pacers from the Oklahoma City Thunder in exchange for Paul George and multiple TPEs.

Exhibit C...
A TPE was acquired by the Denver Nuggets in exchange for Danilo Gallinari. Danilo Gallinari was acquired by the Los Angeles Clippers in exchange for Jamal Crawford, Diamond Stone and cash. Jamal Crawford, Diamond Stone and cash were acquired by the Atlanta Hawks.

Exhibit D...
Dwight Howard was acquired by the Charlotte Hornets from the Atlanta Hawks in exchange for Marco Belinelli and Miles Plumlee.

[NavLDO]

Have you seen how much our conference has improved?

This.

I'd love for the Suns to make the push for a playoff spot, but seeing how deep the West is this year, the Suns are almost guaranteed to finish in the bottom 4 along with the Lakers, Mavs, and Kings. I can see us finishing better than a few of the teams in the East such as the Nets, Hawks, Bulls, Knicks, and Pacers, but we are pretty much guaranteed a top 10 pick in next year's draft.

I hope we finally get the #1 pick next year. Perfect for the rebuild.

2013:
"I hope we finally get the #1 pick next year. Perfect for the rebuild."

2014:
"I hope we finally get the #1 pick next year. Perfect for the rebuild."

2015
"I hope we finally get the #1 pick next year. Perfect for the rebuild."

2016
"I hope we finally get the #1 pick next year. Perfect for the rebuild."

...And now we have 2017's precept...can I say "I hope we finally get the #1 pick in 2019. Perfect for the rebuild," to get it out of the way...

I mean...really? 5 year rebuild? There's only 5 players on the court at a time, and we've had 6 Lottery picks. Oh, so one didn't turn out? OK, we have 5 now...when does the rebuild stop? When GS is no longer at the top, because another team has found a way to beat them, either due to age, or influx of talent? Well, we can't compete then, either; might as well stay with the rebuild...

[gaspar]

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[Bogyo]

Noooo on the Love trade. Especially with Shumpert! They would just take away time from our youngsters, and cap us out in free agency for next year (Boogie), and make it harder for us to resign our own youngsters in 2-3 years. Why bother to see if we can catch the 8th seed in the west IF Love is not injured and Bled doesn't blow out his knees?
That team is worse than the Warriors, Spurs, Houston, OKC, Denver, Clippers and Minnesota. We'd be fighting for the 8th spot with Utah, Portland and Memphis, Dallas and the Pelicans - we might be favourties to get in, but it's fools gold. SMH

[Bogyo]

This.

I'd love for the Suns to make the push for a playoff spot, but seeing how deep the West is this year, the Suns are almost guaranteed to finish in the bottom 4 along with the Lakers, Mavs, and Kings. I can see us finishing better than a few of the teams in the East such as the Nets, Hawks, Bulls, Knicks, and Pacers, but we are pretty much guaranteed a top 10 pick in next year's draft.

I hope we finally get the #1 pick next year. Perfect for the rebuild.

2013:
"I hope we finally get the #1 pick next year. Perfect for the rebuild."

2014:
"I hope we finally get the #1 pick next year. Perfect for the rebuild."

2015
"I hope we finally get the #1 pick next year. Perfect for the rebuild."

2016
"I hope we finally get the #1 pick next year. Perfect for the rebuild."

...And now we have 2017's precept...can I say "I hope we finally get the #1 pick in 2019. Perfect for the rebuild," to get it out of the way...

I mean...really? 5 year rebuild? There's only 5 players on the court at a time, and we've had 6 Lottery picks. Oh, so one didn't turn out? OK, we have 5 now...when does the rebuild stop? When GS is no longer at the top, because another team has found a way to beat them, either due to age, or influx of talent? Well, we can't compete then, either; might as well stay with the rebuild...

I think he meant jumping from the 5th-9th place to first, not tank to No1. That seems quite impossible with the Bulls, Pacers, Atlanta, NY (without Melo) eastern bunch. We are better than those teams and likely Orlando, Sacramento and Lakers as it is.

[matt131]

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(Woj - Atlanta will not match New York's $71M offer sheet to Tim Hardaway Jr., but official notification still hours away, sources tell ESPN.)

duh

[Zelaznyrules]

I mean...really? 5 year rebuild? There's only 5 players on the court at a time, and we've had 6 Lottery picks. Oh, so one didn't turn out? OK, we have 5 now...when does the rebuild stop? When GS is no longer at the top, because another team has found a way to beat them, either due to age, or influx of talent? Well, we can't compete then, either; might as well stay with the rebuild...

You're confusing being bad with rebuilding. We most certainly have NOT been rebuilding for 5 years, that timeline includes the wonderful pre-Ryan season with Beasley, Scola and Shannon Brown which was followed by the 48 win season that paired Bledsoe and Dragic which was followed by the playoff hopeful but extremely disappointing Isaiah Thomas season which was followed by our first real rebuilding season. And it's laughable to group all lottery picks together as if there's no difference between picking 14th vs 1st.

[BobbieL]

Noooo on the Love trade. Especially with Shumpert! They would just take away time from our youngsters, and cap us out in free agency for next year (Boogie), and make it harder for us to resign our own youngsters in 2-3 years. Why bother to see if we can catch the 8th seed in the west IF Love is not injured and Bled doesn't blow out his knees?
That team is worse than the Warriors, Spurs, Houston, OKC, Denver, Clippers and Minnesota. We'd be fighting for the 8th spot with Utah, Portland and Memphis, Dallas and the Pelicans - we might be favourties to get in, but it's fools gold. SMH

Well currently, with the way the roster is constructed and salary cap - the Suns would have to make moves for Boogie because Chandler, Dudley and Bledsoe do not expire until 2019; and Knight in 2020.

So taking on Love and Shumpert - in my mock trade - doesn't really change that the Suns will have more cap space (n year 3, Love would make more than Knight so there is that. But the reason I don't make the trade is I am just not sure it helps the Suns removing Bledsoe and adding Love. Now if you remove Knight, keep Bledsoe and add Love; so trading basically Knight and Chandler for Love, Shumpert and O'Quinn - ehh, maybe. Granted, probably losing Warren as well - so I just don't see the rational for the trade for the Suns

Now, again, using ESPN Trade Machine - maybe the Cavs want Melo & Bledsoe and the Knicks want Kyrie Irving - this trade does work in the trade machine :

Cleveland: Melo, Bledsoe and Chandler
New York Knicks: Tristan Thompson, Derrick Jones Jr from the Suns, Kyrie Irving. Now the Knicks have Kyrie, Kristaps and Hardaway - - but in the trade machine, they do not get TJ Warren but maybe you give them a couple second rounders

Suns get: Love, O'Quinn, and Frye - with the good part here, Frye expires in one more year and O'Quinn is pretty cheap and just has two years left

this deal leaves the Suns without a point guard but probably helps with their cap a little bit in the summer of 2018 but not as much in 2019 as Knight and Love expiring in three years - so that is the con of this deal. Only reason you want Love probably is maybe he works better as a second scoring option with Booker for the next couple of years. Otherwise - again, I just let it roll with the young guys, let the veterans deal roll off and go with it

[ATTL]

I think the suns will keep bledsoe, make no major changes, try to sign boogie next summer.
Possibly trade one or two of our next years picks for another piece to play with booker, JJ, bledsoe and cousins.

[Zelaznyrules]

I don't think it makes a lot of sense to trade for Love. But, if we decide to go that way, it makes little sense to give Bledsoe away at the same time. I'm all for moving him but Love is a win now move and Bledsoe is a plus if that's our goal.

[BobbieL]

I don't think it makes a lot of sense to trade for Love. But, if we decide to go that way, it makes little sense to give Bledsoe away at the same time. I'm all for moving him but Love is a win now move and Bledsoe is a plus if that's our goal.

Agreed -- so my whacky trade based off probably a pretty unreliable source - doesn't make sense.

Bledsoe with Love makes a bit of sense for the short term to help as a bridge like Millsap or Blake would have. But you lose Bledsoe and have Knight start to pair with Love and Booker , I don't think as good. And I don't see the Knicks or Cavs wanting Knight - especially since the Knicks just overpaid for THJr and have Lee already for three more years.

Unless Kyrie is the end game for NY and the Cavs want Carmelo and Bledsoe - I don't see any real way this happens. And personally, the Suns should have at least four players that are untouchable and two draft picks (there own in 2018, Miami in 2021) - and one would think the Knicks want those assets

[jredsaz]

It's tough. If the Suns can get Love for Warren and the Miami first that's pennies on the dollar. Love and LeBron do not fit together on the court. Love has been relegated to a 3 point shooter/rebounder. He will be more effective outside of Cleveland and his value will increase substantially if he stays healthy.

If the Knicks take Knight it's an obvious yes. After all they are looking for a veteran PG!

PHX gets Love
CLE gets Melo
NYK gets Knight, Warren, 2018 1st (MIA)

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[RunDogGun]

I have zero idea who Trey Rodriguez is other than his twitter bio so credibility could be closer to Jordan Schultz and Kennedy - or worse. Meaning, if this were Shelburne or Woj - it would be happening. This gguy, who knows - but he has the Suns/Cavs/Knicks talking Melo to Cleveland and Love to Phoenix

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So, first, I really don't believe it because they stopped the pursuit of Millsap and except for the dollars - was the same three years as LOve. It just doesn't make sense unless Knight is traded because he has three years left.

But hypothetically - for me, these are the untouchables:
Booker, Bender, Chriss, Jackson, Ulis, the Suns first round pick in 2018 . Miami unprotected pick in 2021 and other Suns first rounders except maybe lottery protected in like 2020

Not untouchable but close
Warren and even probably Reed

Trade away if need be
Chandler, Knight, Bledsoe, Miami pick in 2018 IF not in the lottery, 2nd rounders, Derrick Jones, rights to Peters

So maybe something like this
Cleveland Melo
Knicks: Knight Bledsoe Warren and Miami 1st
Suns: Love and Shumpert

So again, now that I put together an actual trade that doesn't involve my untouchables, this seems more Jordan Schultz than a WojBomb

I saw that too. For what it's worth people on the knicks board who are familiar with this guy think he's full of ****.


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That's what I am thinking. Two guys in Vegas at side by side slot machines and all of the sudden - the trade is back on

In the trade machine - I did do this trade
Cleveland: Chandler and Melo
Knicks: Knight, Tristan and Warren
Suns: Love , Shumpert and O'Quinn

But the Knicks are going to get Tim Hardaway Jr - why do they need Knight -substitute Bledsoe - it still works. But they just drafted a rookie PG. So, I think your assessment - full of bovine excrement, is it.

I could handle that trade, although I really don't want to lose Warren right now. I think he is a special player with a great knack of getting buckets. I'd love to get O'Quinn, as I've been wanting him on the Suns ever since his draft day.

[Kerrsed]

Im actually ok with trading for Love...at the right price.

I look at it like this, he was an all-star that we would have loved to have....when he was with the Wolves. His stats/stock to a big hit once he started playing next to Lebron (Which it was bound to do when playing next to two other allstars who are ball dominant). I think he would really improve his value on a sub-par team like ours.

Now my hopeful understanding for the trade is that we arnt looking at keeping him long term, just long enough to get his stats back. Like many, i dont see the Davis/Cousins experiment working, and i think that Love would be a great trade chip to use to send to 'Nawlins in a Cousins trade. With Love being a somewhat 3 point threat, he should be able to spread the floor for Davis a lot more. Think about Ryan Andersons time there, but add in better rebounding and a bit better defense.

[Frank Lee]

this smells like a decree from the King.

the CAVS really have not upgraded their roster. I could see them having interest in Dudley as well

[Bogyo]

Im actually ok with trading for Love...at the right price.

I look at it like this, he was an all-star that we would have loved to have....when he was with the Wolves. His stats/stock to a big hit once he started playing next to Lebron (Which it was bound to do when playing next to two other allstars who are ball dominant). I think he would really improve his value on a sub-par team like ours.

Now my hopeful understanding for the trade is that we arnt looking at keeping him long term, just long enough to get his stats back. Like many, i dont see the Davis/Cousins experiment working, and i think that Love would be a great trade chip to use to send to 'Nawlins in a Cousins trade. With Love being a somewhat 3 point threat, he should be able to spread the floor for Davis a lot more. Think about Ryan Andersons time there, but add in better rebounding and a bit better defense.

I'd sign up for that plan. My only problems with that Boogie, Bender/Chriss, JJ, Booker, Bledsoe team would be Bled's knees and Rich Paul's negotiations. Other than that, thats a really well balanced team with passing, shooting, some defense, some guys in their prime, some with room to take over a bit later. Solid team for another 4-6 years if egos and injuries don't derail it.

[WeekapaugGroove]

With reports that the knicks and rockets are discussing a melo trade I think its safe to say this was a bs rumor.

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[matt131]

With reports that the knicks and rockets are discussing a melo trade I think its safe to say this was a bs rumor.

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Dang, three of the most ball dominant guys on one team. That'll be fun. Good luck Mike!


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[Puff]

Knight or Bledsoe take your pick 14Mil appx - Hornacek gets Bledsoe whom he had success with in Phoenix along with possible replacement for Melo in Warren and Dudley - The Knicks start the youth movement sooner than later.
Warren 3.2
Dudley 10.0
Total 27.2 Mil To Knicks

Melo 26.2 To Cleveland - Lebron gets the additional star he wants

Love 22.6
Frye 7.4
Total 30.0 - We upgrade our vets and buy time until our youngsters are ready while getting rid of either Bledsoe or Knight - take your pick.

I actually think something like this works pretty well for all three teams.