OFFICIAL: Welcome BACK to New York THJr (4/71m)

[2010]

Now who's running point?

prob baker and frank split the time.

Neither of which are PG's

[Battery]

11.5 shots per game in 27 minutes is high volume? 15 shots per game per 36 is not high volume. He's far more efficient shooting the ball than you give him credit for.

Trust me, if Melo is gone, he's going to be high volume. Who else is going to take all the shots?

KP and THJr. You'd hope. Unless you want to see LFT taking 15 shots a game.

willy averaged 16 points per 36 minutes and we barely ran plays for him. he was like our 4th or 5th option. and he is obviously good at moving without the ball and scoring in one-on-one situations. the only thing holding him back from putting up huge numbers is his defense. if he plays crap defense he won't get the minutes.

Per 36 minutes means nothing. The only thing that matters is what did you do in the game last night to help the team win. (or lose) That's why a lot of these "advanced metric" stats are meaningless.

[Newyorknick94]

Who plays SF?

MFLFT?
Kuz?

Lolz.

I'm thinking lance is up. if healthy, he's kind of what that group needs at 3. plus defender. high effort. makes open shots. communicates.

If he's healthy, he might do well. But he will still make it look ugly.

Real question is who starts at center? Willy or Noah?

[K_ick_God]

One other more oblique but still compelling way to look at this is that the Knicks like Hernangomez, they like their bigs, but they felt they needed scoring and young talent on the wing. Maybe it also means they like Frank but know he's not going to be a multi-tool scoring option right away (or fast).

So, I'm going to look at this as -- We are happy with our bigs, we may have a really good rookie guard, so how do we add to that with perimeter offense. It is clearly a need and hopefully Thard fills it.

[BKlutch]

I'm thinking lance is up. if healthy, he's kind of what that group needs at 3. plus defender. high effort. makes open shots. communicates.

If he's healthy, he might do well. But he will still make it look ugly.

Real question is who starts at center? Willy or Noah?

This will say a lot about Horny, right? Last year, we had to start Noah when he could play, because he was Phil's big acquisition. I think Horny appreciated what Willy brought to the team, and he learned it over a number of games when it was basically him and KOQ. The only reason to start Noah would be to make Phil pheel less miserable in Montana.

[Grinditout]

His defense is much improved to the point where it at least is adequate now, he has a pull up shot, looks to pass more on the drive and can finish better. I think most people will be surprised with this signing. If THJ wasn't here before, most people would have a different reaction.

On the contract, yes it is an overpay, but that's what is needed to sign these guys away from their team as a RFA. You have to make it so they won't match, which means overpaying by 2-4M a year. Anything like 4 year, 60M they would've probably matched. Also when you consider it with how the contract would've looked before the cap went up, it isn't that bad:



In the end this move isn't just about the team, it's about making KP happy. Here is our 1st franchise type caliber young player in forever. Take some pressure off of him. And this is done with a young player, who could end up being an asset. We have a young core, with trade-able veterans in Lee, Melo, Thomas and O'Quinn to create more cap space next year. I'm happy with this move.

i think we neglect how much KP wants to see a commitment to competition. i think a tank year would have sent him out the door.

i'm coming down from the ledge and starting to think long-term about this. it's a risk, but a somewhat calculated one. we're betting on potential. if tim plays the way he finished last year and better, it's becomes a bargain. plus, we really do need his skill set on offense.

maybe with a scorer like tim, the knicks feel okay trotting baker and frank out at PG. I wonder what veteran is out there who could come in and be helpful. tim's an expensive pup, but still part of the pup movement. it's not rudy gay here.

First, we all had to get over our initial impressions of Timmy from when he was first here and how much we all reviled him when he went to Atlanta. Of course, Grant was going to be infinitely better, right? And then when Rose showed he could play, he had a chance to make us better. But he didn't Meanwhile, we all laughed at fleeing Atlanta, and I think a lot of fans ignored reports of Timmy's development.

So after all that, he still wanted to return to NYC with no hard feelings. That's not just a financial move, that's also character. During the past few months, we really made KP feel upset and worried he would leave us. Of course he wants to play to win. If Horny or any other coach told him to tank, he's probably demand a trade. So yeah, what you said is important. We need to start building a healthier, winning culture here. Frank will grow up in a healthy team and become more the guard we need, and WIlly will continue his development. So there will be lots of stuff to look forward to.

How are all those Philly guys feeling about their years of "the Process?" I wonder if Okafor went from first to worst just because he doesn't have the skills, or if the culture on the Sixers helped do this to him? They have some great parts, but so far, they haven't done any winning. We shall see.

Everything else is fine to say but let's not pretend 71 million isn't the main reason. Why hasn't any other team offered the same?

[thebuzzardman]

If true,

Bledsoe\CLee\THJr at 1,2,3 does seem Hornacek inspired

[King of Canada]

Still çant wrap my head around this! Didn't even know he was considered to be anything but d league. Didn't watch the hawks.

[K_ick_God]

I think Thard can play the 3. He plays more like a 3 to me.

The other positive is you have to take pressure off KP. No way he can do it himself. He is not offensively skilled enough yet to do that. So it has some sense to it there.

But to be real, I don't know about this working. Timmy is not a passer or team player. I think that's my bigger problem than just the salary. He's got scoring talent but that is an overrated thing. It's needed but it can get you going nowhere if you have scoring talent in a bad package.

He has to play D and pass for this to work. He has to blend with KP and not just be a guy who gets on hot streaks. We know he can and will do that. But it's not nearly enough. Has to be a guy that fits in and plays to win at all times.

I have some serious doubts about that, I don't think he will do it, but as always I hope to be proven wrong The life of a Knicks fan.

[2010]

Why the fuh are we talking up keeping Lee?

Nahhhhh b...Melo & Lee gotta go, yo!

[F N 11]

If he comes out and say this is home and I'm I've embraced my journey and I'm a better man and I look forward to working with us young guys to move In the right direction. How can u not like that?

[BKlutch]

i think we neglect how much KP wants to see a commitment to competition. i think a tank year would have sent him out the door.

i'm coming down from the ledge and starting to think long-term about this. it's a risk, but a somewhat calculated one. we're betting on potential. if tim plays the way he finished last year and better, it's becomes a bargain. plus, we really do need his skill set on offense.

maybe with a scorer like tim, the knicks feel okay trotting baker and frank out at PG. I wonder what veteran is out there who could come in and be helpful. tim's an expensive pup, but still part of the pup movement. it's not rudy gay here.

First, we all had to get over our initial impressions of Timmy from when he was first here and how much we all reviled him when he went to Atlanta. Of course, Grant was going to be infinitely better, right? And then when Rose showed he could play, he had a chance to make us better. But he didn't Meanwhile, we all laughed at fleeing Atlanta, and I think a lot of fans ignored reports of Timmy's development.

So after all that, he still wanted to return to NYC with no hard feelings. That's not just a financial move, that's also character. During the past few months, we really made KP feel upset and worried he would leave us. Of course he wants to play to win. If Horny or any other coach told him to tank, he's probably demand a trade. So yeah, what you said is important. We need to start building a healthier, winning culture here. Frank will grow up in a healthy team and become more the guard we need, and WIlly will continue his development. So there will be lots of stuff to look forward to.

How are all those Philly guys feeling about their years of "the Process?" I wonder if Okafor went from first to worst just because he doesn't have the skills, or if the culture on the Sixers helped do this to him? They have some great parts, but so far, they haven't done any winning. We shall see.

Everything else is fine to say but let's not pretend 71 million isn't the main reason. Why hasn't any other team offered the same?

OK, I wouldn't turn down 71 mil to play here, so it is a big reason. I'm not sure how far Timmy looked - I don't know if he talked with a lot of teams. The amount was, obviously, not just stupidity but was based on the desire to make Atlanta decide he was too expensive. If another team had wanted him, what would they have offered? I'm sure Atlanta lowballed him a bit with their offer. They are not trying to compete this year. What if another team offered him only $61 M? That's $2.5 M less per year. So it comes down to, is he a good fit here? is he what we need? Will he play his heart out for us, and will our gamble on him pay off? I think character is just a part of it.

At least we didn't offer Shane Larkin that deal.

[2010]

Why are we blocking D.Dot's path with $119 million committed in contracts to two SG's? Why even draft D.Dot then if we planned on keeping Lee. Makes no sense.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I'm thinking lance is up. if healthy, he's kind of what that group needs at 3. plus defender. high effort. makes open shots. communicates.

If he's healthy, he might do well. But he will still make it look ugly.

Real question is who starts at center? Willy or Noah?

Noah until his expected game injury sidelines for the rest of the season.

[Crunchknicks1]

I guess melo have to go I hope this is crazy make no sense at all if melo is still here

[Jables120]

Why are we blocking D.Dot's path with $119 million committed in contracts to two SG's? Why even draft D.Dot then if we planned on keeping Lee. Makes no sense.

He was a second round pick. I don't think many teams plan their team based on a summer league performance by a second round pick.

[thebuzzardman]

Going with a semi positionless set of wings in Frank/Bledsoe/THJr/CLee as the rotation is pretty close to that marriage of Phil's ideals with Hornacek's. Baker sort of fits in there at 1,2 as well.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Instead of properly building a team around our unhappy young player that we're counting on, we go and overpay on a mediocre role player. This team never learns, welcome to 30 win teams and 8-15 pick ranges in the draft for the foreseeable future. Won't be surprised if KP demands a trade soon, he already sees the dysfunction but we go and make it worse.

Remember the awful contract Ryan Anderson has that we refuse to take back in a Melo deal? Well we just got an even worse contract from a FA signing

Can't make this stuff up.

Idk I'd much rather have THJ for 16-19 mill over Ryan Anderson for 20

not even close. tim hands down.

[BKlutch]

Why are we blocking D.Dot's path with $119 million committed in contracts to two SG's? Why even draft D.Dot then if we planned on keeping Lee. Makes no sense.

He was a second round pick. I don't think many teams plan their team based on a summer league performance by a second round pick.

We wouldn't likely keep CLee, but we don't need to trade him today. If we did have him, he might get some time at the 3. We could go small and fast with Clee and TH Jr and our PG, whoever that is. There are too many moving parts right now. Damyean is going to need time to be NBA quality, so he'll get some minutes in the G (D) league and some minutes on our team. I'd love to see him do well, but no way we can count on him now. Remember, Randle was last year's Damyean Dotson.

[2010]

Why are we blocking D.Dot's path with $119 million committed in contracts to two SG's? Why even draft D.Dot then if we planned on keeping Lee. Makes no sense.

He was a second round pick. I don't think many teams plan their team based on a summer league performance by a second round pick.

There are good players found in the 2nd round of the NBA draft every single year. It's no longer a fluke to count on finding potential starters or even a future all star in the 2nd round if you scout well.