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Post#261 » by god shammgod » Sat Jul 8, 2017 8:57 pm

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i'll never understand fans who think like this. teams trade, cut and release players all the time, and only when it's some transformational players leaving a team, they get all emotional whining about loyalty.


your statement is fine except for the part where you called tim hardaway jr transformational. stop dipping newports in embalming fluid, it's no good for you. i speak from experience. once after doing that i counted the money in my pocket for 30 minutes and could never complete the job. true story.
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Post#262 » by Synciere » Sat Jul 8, 2017 8:59 pm

This is where people lose me.

How does signing Hardaway have anything to do with Melo? They play different positions. Hardaway has never played SF. Just because some teams and the league have gone pace and space doesn't mean you play every player one position down in the lineup. We don't néed to make all 2s 3s, all 3s 4s, and all 4s 5s. Melo is a SF that can play PF, I get that. But KP isn't a 5 yet. Hardaway isn't a 3.

I saw the report that they believe Lee and Hardaway can play together, and maybe they can in small spurts, but this move means Lee, not Melo, has to be moved.

Melo is already an expiring deal if he takes his option at the end of the year. I have no idea which way he's leaning, but it's a good bet he moves on. Many of you are so gun ho on moving on from Melo, why not just let him leave on his own accord instead of taking on long term contracts from a worse player? Just let him opt out then! It's Lee, who's older, making 8 figures, who has three more years, and playing the same position as Hardaway, that should moved. Then when Melo opts out, we can look for the long term 3 that we'd need.
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Post#263 » by Marty McFly » Sat Jul 8, 2017 8:59 pm

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well damn

i'll never understand fans who think like this. teams trade, cut and release players all the time, and only when it's some transformational players leaving a team, they get all emotional whining about loyalty.


your statement is fine except for the part where you called tim hardaway jr transformational. stop dipping newports in embalming fluid, it's no good for you. i speak from experience. once after doing that i counted the money in my pocket for 30 minutes and could never complete the job. true story.

:lol: i was going to change that but i'm being lazy right now.
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Post#264 » by god shammgod » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:01 pm

Synciere wrote:This is where people lose me.

How does signing Hardaway have anything to do with Melo? They play different positions. Hardaway has never played SF. Just because some teams and the league have gone pace and space doesn't mean you play every player one position down in the lineup. We don't néed to make all 2s 3s, all 3s 4s, and all 4s 5s. Melo is a SF that can play PF, I get that. But KP isn't a 5 yet. Hardaway isn't a 3.

I saw the report that they believe Lee and Hardaway can play together, and maybe they can in small spurts, but this move means Lee, not Melo, has to be moved.

Melo is already an expiring deal if he takes his option at the end of the year. I have no idea which way he's leaning, but it's a good bet he moves on. Many of you are so gun ho on moving on from Melo, why not just let him leave on his own accord instead of taking on long term contracts from a worse player? Just let him opt out then! It's Lee, who's older, making 8 figures, who has three more years, and playing the same position as Hardaway, that should moved. Then when Melo opts out, we can look for the long term 3 that we'd need.


i think they're talking about playing lee at the 3. horny wants to play fast and small. they should really be looking for a fast 4 or 5 if they're doing this. neither noah or willy is really made for a speedball attack.
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Post#265 » by F N 11 » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:02 pm

It's 170 million guys along with the 59 he's due next 2 years so in total it's 6 years 229.
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Post#266 » by Carl_Karlson » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:02 pm

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Post#267 » by Blue Ninja » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:03 pm

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Blue Ninja wrote:Also when you consider it with how the contract would've looked before the cap went up, it isn't that bad:

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Same exact rationalization people made to feel better about the disastrous Naoh's contract. I aint doing this **** anymore.


Noah was a broken down player that barely anyone had any hope for. He was a Bargnani type of move that people were just hoping he'd return to the player he was and not continue his downward trend to the player he is.

THJ is a progressing player, who we singed based on production and projection. These two signings are day and night.
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Post#268 » by god shammgod » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:03 pm

it's quite a time to be an nba player, jesus.
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Post#269 » by CANiLIVE » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:03 pm

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NoLayupRule wrote:those are all equally bad contracts

Jrue is the most potentially good but his injury history makes it hard to justify


Jru Hasn't been healthy in years, the blow back from this is ridiculous, Tim has gotten better every year if your not adding young improving talent on your team what are you doing? Losing to get a #1 losing and hoping a fa feels bad enough to come aboard?

Tim adds to the core and the identity knicks are trying to bulid, is it a risk yes but the potential is there.


He was healthy all of last year but was only out at the beginning because his wife had brain cancer. Also, I'd easily take Otto at $100m over THJR at his price but that point is moot because Washington is matching...wonder why Atlanta is not.


Ok enlighten me on how extacly is Otto better for 100 million, Otto isn't a franchise player, if we had Otto 100 lord have mercy it would post saying how knicks are paying him more than Jordan blah blah blah, both players are young with upside but what makes Otto a 100 million dollar guy and there's absolutely no up roar but this Timmy signing is so bad.
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Post#270 » by god shammgod » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:04 pm

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Jru Hasn't been healthy in years, the blow back from this is ridiculous, Tim has gotten better every year if your not adding young improving talent on your team what are you doing? Losing to get a #1 losing and hoping a fa feels bad enough to come aboard?

Tim adds to the core and the identity knicks are trying to bulid, is it a risk yes but the potential is there.


He was healthy all of last year but was only out at the beginning because his wife had brain cancer. Also, I'd easily take Otto at $100m over THJR at his price but that point is moot because Washington is matching...wonder why Atlanta is not.


Ok enlighten me on how extacly is Otto better for 100 million, Otto isn't a franchise player, if we had Otto 100 lord have mercy it would post saying how knicks are paying him more than Jordan blah blah blah, both players are young with upside but what makes Otto a 100 million dollar guy and there's absolutely no up roar but this Timmy signing is so bad.


they both suck
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Post#271 » by Synciere » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:08 pm

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Synciere wrote:This is where people lose me.

How does signing Hardaway have anything to do with Melo? They play different positions. Hardaway has never played SF. Just because some teams and the league have gone pace and space doesn't mean you play every player one position down in the lineup. We don't néed to make all 2s 3s, all 3s 4s, and all 4s 5s. Melo is a SF that can play PF, I get that. But KP isn't a 5 yet. Hardaway isn't a 3.

I saw the report that they believe Lee and Hardaway can play together, and maybe they can in small spurts, but this move means Lee, not Melo, has to be moved.

Melo is already an expiring deal if he takes his option at the end of the year. I have no idea which way he's leaning, but it's a good bet he moves on. Many of you are so gun ho on moving on from Melo, why not just let him leave on his own accord instead of taking on long term contracts from a worse player? Just let him opt out then! It's Lee, who's older, making 8 figures, who has three more years, and playing the same position as Hardaway, that should moved. Then when Melo opts out, we can look for the long term 3 that we'd need.


i think they're talking about playing lee at the 3. horny wants to play fast and small. they should really be looking for a fast 4 or 5 if they're doing this. neither noah or wily is really made for a speedball attack.


I mean, there was talk about Hardaway being here as a Melo replacement and the lineups showed Hardaway at the 3, but maybe I misunderstood.

That said, I don't like Lee at the 3 either lol... I'm not against playing fast, but we have to have the right personnel in place first. I've always believed in altering your system to fit your personnel, which was one of my biggest gripes with Phil. Right now we're stuck with Noah, and Willy is one of our best players. Would like to think/believe we could design a system that merges his talents as well. Melo isn't really built for the pace and space has either, unless he's playing the 4, and if he is, then we need a Chandler/Noel type at center.
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Post#272 » by Priggy Smalls » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:10 pm

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Post#273 » by CANiLIVE » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:18 pm

god shammgod wrote:
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He was healthy all of last year but was only out at the beginning because his wife had brain cancer. Also, I'd easily take Otto at $100m over THJR at his price but that point is moot because Washington is matching...wonder why Atlanta is not.


Ok enlighten me on how extacly is Otto better for 100 million, Otto isn't a franchise player, if we had Otto 100 lord have mercy it would post saying how knicks are paying him more than Jordan blah blah blah, both players are young with upside but what makes Otto a 100 million dollar guy and there's absolutely no up roar but this Timmy signing is so bad.



they both suck


How extacly do they both suck? Because they aren't a top 10 player? Both are Quality young talented wings who improved greatly last year, how they are paid is based off market vaul and how much you want the player on your team if hardaway is valued at 45 50 million wth is otto, Kelly, jru and James Johnson worth, it's a joke how the knicks get called out, this signing isn't as bad as the media is portraying
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Post#274 » by GEOLINK » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:27 pm

god shammgod wrote:it's quite a time to be an nba player, jesus.

Are you a rebound the ball player? Pass the ball first player? Here you go, 70 million for your troubles.
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Post#275 » by JBreezeNY » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:34 pm

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well damn

i'll never understand fans who think like this. teams trade, cut and release players all the time, and only when it's some transformational players leaving a team, they get all emotional whining about loyalty.


your statement is fine except for the part where you called tim hardaway jr transformational. stop dipping newports in embalming fluid, it's no good for you. i speak from experience. once after doing that i counted the money in my pocket for 30 minutes and could never complete the job. true story.

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Post#276 » by Worst_to_First » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:34 pm

Welcome back Timmy! KP is a good consolation prize but still have an irrational disdain for you in costing us KAT.

Thank you Atlanta Hawks for developing our draft pick. Too bad we can't capitalize on the 1st round pick that you gave us.
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Post#277 » by HOF19 » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:36 pm

I believe Melo is going bye bye( very very possibly in the next 8-9 days or sooner).....I am gonna wait until the whole transaction is announced and over and done before I make an opinion on our entire off season.....GO NY GO....GO KNICKS !!!!!
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Post#278 » by CANiLIVE » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:37 pm

Synciere wrote:This is where people lose me.

How does signing Hardaway have anything to do with Melo? They play different positions. Hardaway has never played SF. Just because some teams and the league have gone pace and space doesn't mean you play every player one position down in the lineup. We don't néed to make all 2s 3s, all 3s 4s, and all 4s 5s. Melo is a SF that can play PF, I get that. But KP isn't a 5 yet. Hardaway isn't a 3.

I saw the report that they believe Lee and Hardaway can play together, and maybe they can in small spurts, but this move means Lee, not Melo, has to be moved.

Melo is already an expiring deal if he takes his option at the end of the year. I have no idea which way he's leaning, but it's a good bet he moves on. Many of you are so gun ho on moving on from Melo, why not just let him leave on his own accord instead of taking on long term contracts from a worse player? Just let him opt out then! It's Lee, who's older, making 8 figures, who has three more years, and playing the same position as Hardaway, that should moved. Then when Melo opts out, we can look for the long term 3 that we'd need.


It's not about playing the same position it's about developing our core guys, I'm guessing they want Tim to be a top 3 option kp being number 1,

It's well known mills wants to go young as we should melo is half way out the door and the rockets are willing to turn there full attention to Carmelo.
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Post#279 » by RHODEY » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:41 pm

Worst_to_First wrote:Welcome back Timmy! KP is a good consolation prize but still have an irrational disdain for you in costing us KAT.

Thank you Atlanta Hawks for developing our draft pick. Too bad we can't capitalize on the 1st round pick that you gave us.


I don't because in the end I think KP will end up atleast as good.
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Post#280 » by N Y K » Sat Jul 8, 2017 9:45 pm

I don't need to welcome him back... i willed this move into existence... you're welcome, everyone.

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