OFFICIAL: Welcome BACK to New York THJr (4/71m)

[Jstock12]

Good player. Not sure if 18m/year good.

[Blockwatcher]

I hope dad talks to his son and explains what all this means

[Boss_]

I am so f'in thrilled

to be seeing TIM HARDAWAY JR

in a knicks uni.

For 4 mother fu*kin years!

Please shoot me, in the face.

[DOT]

Noah is not an albatross. Noah when healthy is still a useful player.

lolwut. noah is without question the worst contract in the league.

Nah, Parsons is worse

Noah is bottom 3 though

[stopstandthere]

Our franchise player, welcome back

[Icandoallthings]

Great post from Reddit that actually gets me excited and hopeful for THJr.

As someone who really stopped following THJr after we traded him, it really surprised me. Just read up on the kid, he's a good player. We gotta let the whole trade/no defense stuff from his rookie year leave our minds because he seemed to improve almost his entire game after leaving.

Hawks fan here that fell in love with THJ last April and thought he was an integral part of our future. I'm pretty sad we didn't match the contract, and here's why. (most of this is an x-post from a submission I made on the Hawks subreddit).

**THJ have it all, baby.**

Tim Hardaway is a special type of player. On the Knicks he was known as a pure scorer, and on the Hawks he hasn't been much at all, except inconsistent. At least that's what some folks will tell you.. but let me direct your attention to some STATS.

http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612737/players-traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=1

**Concern 1: THJ doesn't make the team better.**

STAT: Tim Hardaway Junior had the highest plus minus on the Atlanta Hawks outside of the GOAT baby giraffe and the criminally underrated Lamar Patterson. That's higher than Paul Millsap and the rest of our bench.

[When Timmy is off the court,](http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612737/onoffcourt-advanced/) our ORTG plummets from 106 to 98, while our DRTG stays about the same.

**Concern 2: Tim is too inconsistent**

STAT: in the 48 regular season games THJ played after 01/01/2017 (henceforth referred to as T-Day), he scored less than 10 points in only 7 of those games. In 24 out of 48 games, THJ shot above 40% on 3s. In only 11 games did THJ earn a TS% less than 50%.

**Concern 3: Tim is a bad defender**

STAT: Tim has a Defensive Rating of 103.1, which was higher than Thabo, Kent, and Dennis. The only players who played big minutes and actually had a higher DRTG were Paul and Delaney. Tim is also 6'6", which makes him the perfect size to guard other 2s. He just needs some more time at Hawks University before he comes out a plus defender.

**Concern 4: Tim just isn't worth the money.**

STAT: in 2017, over 48 games (THAT'S MORE THAN HALF THE SEASON), THJ scored 17 points a game on 47/39/81 splits. That's better than Dion Waiters, Kevin Love, Jrue Holiday, Batum, Eric Gordon, Jeff Teague, and many many others.

Let's look at some comparable players who have received or are expected to receive a good amount of money-- around $15M a season.

|Rk|Player|Season|Age|G|GS|FG|FGA|FG%|3P|3PA|3P%|FT%|ORB|DRB|TRB|AST|STL|BLK|TOV|PF|PTS|
|-:|:-|:-|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|
|1|Tim Hardaway|2016-17|24|79|30|6.9|15.2|.455|2.5|7.0|.357|.766|0.6|3.2|3.7|3.0|0.9|0.3|1.8|1.7|19.1|
|2|Dion Waiters|2016-17|25|46|43|7.3|17.2|.424|2.2|5.6|.395|.646|0.5|3.5|4.0|5.2|1.1|0.5|2.7|2.5|19.0|
|3|Evan Fournier|2016-17|24|68|66|6.6|15.0|.439|2.1|5.8|.356|.805|0.7|2.7|3.4|3.3|1.1|0.1|2.3|2.9|18.8|
|4|Otto Porter|2016-17|23|80|80|5.7|11.1|.516|2.0|4.7|.434|.832|1.6|5.5|7.1|1.7|1.6|0.6|0.6|2.7|14.9|

Keep in mind THJ only started 30 games this season and averaged a little over 27 minutes a game. That means less time to get comfortable on the floor, less time to mesh with his teammates. Yet per 36, THJ outscored his colleagues. And then you have to keep in mind that these stats include pre T-Day games, which explains his mediocre shooting splits. I wish I could compare all 4 players using only 2017 stats, but that would require more work than i can be bothered to do.

But here's the thing. THJ is only 25 years old now, and he's already shown what he can do.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

When Tim took that 3 to tie the game on T-Day, and then drew the foul in OT for the game-winning free throws, he transcended his physical form from a mere basketball player on his rookie contract into the next big thing. He's proven that he has what it takes to drag a team to victory on at least 2 separate occasions (See: the T-Day spurs game and Rockets game linked above). He's shown the work ethic, the grit, the grind that it takes to improve across the 2 seasons he's spent at Hawks University.

AND THEN you have to consider that Tim only has room to grow.

|Season|Age|Tm|Lg|Pos|G|GS|MP|FG|FGA|FG%|3P|3PA|3P%|2P|2PA|2P%|FT|FTA|FT%|ORB|DRB|TRB|AST|STL|BLK|TOV|PF|PTS|
|:-|-:|:-|:-|:-|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|
|2015-16|23|ATL|NBA|SG|51|1|864|4.7|11.0|.430|2.0|5.9|.338|2.7|5.1|.537|2.1|2.3|.893|0.3|3.3|3.6|2.1|0.9|0.3|1.0|2.0|13.6|
|2016-17|24|ATL|NBA|SG|79|30|2154|6.9|15.2|.455|2.5|7.0|.357|4.4|8.3|.537|2.7|3.6|.766|0.6|3.2|3.7|3.0|0.9|0.3|1.8|1.7|19.1|


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Generated 7/6/2017.

Over two years, per 36 minutes, THJ has developed his game in almost every area, on a worse team, while asked to take more of the offensive burden. And he's improved his efficiency while doing so.

If Evan Fournier got a $21M/Yr contract last year, if Dion Waiters was a steal at $13M/Yr this year, and if Otto Porter can earn a max this year, THJ is worth at least $15M/Yr. If the Hawks could have retained him for any amount less than that, it would have been an outright steal, but $71M/~4Yrs was obviously enough to force Atlanta's hand. You might say Timmy's been overpaid by $10 Million or so, but $2.5M a year is not the difference between a great contract and a terrible contract. Timmy will out-perform his contract and shine next to Porzingis. And obviously there are people angry about the initial trade, the Rose acquisition, etc. But that's all in the past. What's important is that over the next 4 years, you have a new partner for Kristaps and Frank to play off of, and whether you think you need to tank further (please don't) or develop with the pieces you have now (and get from a Melo trade), I think Timmy will prove to be an important part of your future.

And seriously. Watch this

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

again. He scored 22 of our last 28 points to bring us back from a 13 point deficit in the 4th. He shot the 3ball, he drove, he drew fouls, and he slammed that **** ball for the W. How could you think this kid's not going to be worth some serious money?

Every year same thing second half all star stats are fools gold. Yall got me last year with this not this time.
Derrick Rose post-all star break stats vs. MVP year stats (pace adjusted) (self.nba)

I don't want to suggest that MVP Rose is back, but looking at those numbers, there's certainly reason to be happy. Rose finally seems to be learning to understand his limitations and playing to his strengths--putting up very good numbers and the best efficiency of his career in the process. There are downsides to his new approach of course--he's getting to the line much less frequently than he used to and getting fewer assists--but on the other side of the coin, the improved efficiency is striking. Keep in mind the post-break numbers come from a sample size of only 13 games, but nonetheless, I am finally believing that D-Rose has the potential to again be one of the best PGs in the NBA.

submitted 1 year ago * by jmk1991
Edit: Not pace-adjusted, but per-48. My b.
pts/48 a/48 r/48 TO/48 FG% 3P% FTA/48
Post all star break 31.0 7.9 5.4 4.4 .524 .483 4.4
MVP Year 32.1 9.9 5.2 4.4 .445 .332 8.8

[Jeff Van Gully]

Such a stupid signing.

Typical Knicks negotiating with ourselves.

THJ's situation is the antithesis of a FO negotiating with itself.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Noah is not an albatross. Noah when healthy is still a useful player.

lolwut. noah is without question the worst contract in the league.

Nah, Parsons is worse

Noah is bottom 3 though

parsons, mozgov, deng right off the top of my head.

brandon knight's deal is pretty bad too.

ryan anderson...

[Im Coming Home]

Great post from Reddit that actually gets me excited and hopeful for THJr.

As someone who really stopped following THJr after we traded him, it really surprised me. Just read up on the kid, he's a good player. We gotta let the whole trade/no defense stuff from his rookie year leave our minds because he seemed to improve almost his entire game after leaving.

Spoiler:

Hawks fan here that fell in love with THJ last April and thought he was an integral part of our future. I'm pretty sad we didn't match the contract, and here's why. (most of this is an x-post from a submission I made on the Hawks subreddit).

**THJ have it all, baby.**

Tim Hardaway is a special type of player. On the Knicks he was known as a pure scorer, and on the Hawks he hasn't been much at all, except inconsistent. At least that's what some folks will tell you.. but let me direct your attention to some STATS.

http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612737/players-traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=1

**Concern 1: THJ doesn't make the team better.**

STAT: Tim Hardaway Junior had the highest plus minus on the Atlanta Hawks outside of the GOAT baby giraffe and the criminally underrated Lamar Patterson. That's higher than Paul Millsap and the rest of our bench.

[When Timmy is off the court,](http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612737/onoffcourt-advanced/) our ORTG plummets from 106 to 98, while our DRTG stays about the same.

**Concern 2: Tim is too inconsistent**

STAT: in the 48 regular season games THJ played after 01/01/2017 (henceforth referred to as T-Day), he scored less than 10 points in only 7 of those games. In 24 out of 48 games, THJ shot above 40% on 3s. In only 11 games did THJ earn a TS% less than 50%.

**Concern 3: Tim is a bad defender**

STAT: Tim has a Defensive Rating of 103.1, which was higher than Thabo, Kent, and Dennis. The only players who played big minutes and actually had a higher DRTG were Paul and Delaney. Tim is also 6'6", which makes him the perfect size to guard other 2s. He just needs some more time at Hawks University before he comes out a plus defender.

**Concern 4: Tim just isn't worth the money.**

STAT: in 2017, over 48 games (THAT'S MORE THAN HALF THE SEASON), THJ scored 17 points a game on 47/39/81 splits. That's better than Dion Waiters, Kevin Love, Jrue Holiday, Batum, Eric Gordon, Jeff Teague, and many many others.

Let's look at some comparable players who have received or are expected to receive a good amount of money-- around $15M a season.

|Rk|Player|Season|Age|G|GS|FG|FGA|FG%|3P|3PA|3P%|FT%|ORB|DRB|TRB|AST|STL|BLK|TOV|PF|PTS|
|-:|:-|:-|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|
|1|Tim Hardaway|2016-17|24|79|30|6.9|15.2|.455|2.5|7.0|.357|.766|0.6|3.2|3.7|3.0|0.9|0.3|1.8|1.7|19.1|
|2|Dion Waiters|2016-17|25|46|43|7.3|17.2|.424|2.2|5.6|.395|.646|0.5|3.5|4.0|5.2|1.1|0.5|2.7|2.5|19.0|
|3|Evan Fournier|2016-17|24|68|66|6.6|15.0|.439|2.1|5.8|.356|.805|0.7|2.7|3.4|3.3|1.1|0.1|2.3|2.9|18.8|
|4|Otto Porter|2016-17|23|80|80|5.7|11.1|.516|2.0|4.7|.434|.832|1.6|5.5|7.1|1.7|1.6|0.6|0.6|2.7|14.9|

Keep in mind THJ only started 30 games this season and averaged a little over 27 minutes a game. That means less time to get comfortable on the floor, less time to mesh with his teammates. Yet per 36, THJ outscored his colleagues. And then you have to keep in mind that these stats include pre T-Day games, which explains his mediocre shooting splits. I wish I could compare all 4 players using only 2017 stats, but that would require more work than i can be bothered to do.

But here's the thing. THJ is only 25 years old now, and he's already shown what he can do.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

When Tim took that 3 to tie the game on T-Day, and then drew the foul in OT for the game-winning free throws, he transcended his physical form from a mere basketball player on his rookie contract into the next big thing. He's proven that he has what it takes to drag a team to victory on at least 2 separate occasions (See: the T-Day spurs game and Rockets game linked above). He's shown the work ethic, the grit, the grind that it takes to improve across the 2 seasons he's spent at Hawks University.

AND THEN you have to consider that Tim only has room to grow.

|Season|Age|Tm|Lg|Pos|G|GS|MP|FG|FGA|FG%|3P|3PA|3P%|2P|2PA|2P%|FT|FTA|FT%|ORB|DRB|TRB|AST|STL|BLK|TOV|PF|PTS|
|:-|-:|:-|:-|:-|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|
|2015-16|23|ATL|NBA|SG|51|1|864|4.7|11.0|.430|2.0|5.9|.338|2.7|5.1|.537|2.1|2.3|.893|0.3|3.3|3.6|2.1|0.9|0.3|1.0|2.0|13.6|
|2016-17|24|ATL|NBA|SG|79|30|2154|6.9|15.2|.455|2.5|7.0|.357|4.4|8.3|.537|2.7|3.6|.766|0.6|3.2|3.7|3.0|0.9|0.3|1.8|1.7|19.1|


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Generated 7/6/2017.

Over two years, per 36 minutes, THJ has developed his game in almost every area, on a worse team, while asked to take more of the offensive burden. And he's improved his efficiency while doing so.

If Evan Fournier got a $21M/Yr contract last year, if Dion Waiters was a steal at $13M/Yr this year, and if Otto Porter can earn a max this year, THJ is worth at least $15M/Yr. If the Hawks could have retained him for any amount less than that, it would have been an outright steal, but $71M/~4Yrs was obviously enough to force Atlanta's hand. You might say Timmy's been overpaid by $10 Million or so, but $2.5M a year is not the difference between a great contract and a terrible contract. Timmy will out-perform his contract and shine next to Porzingis. And obviously there are people angry about the initial trade, the Rose acquisition, etc. But that's all in the past. What's important is that over the next 4 years, you have a new partner for Kristaps and Frank to play off of, and whether you think you need to tank further (please don't) or develop with the pieces you have now (and get from a Melo trade), I think Timmy will prove to be an important part of your future.

And seriously. Watch this

Watch on YouTube

again. He scored 22 of our last 28 points to bring us back from a 13 point deficit in the 4th. He shot the 3ball, he drove, he drew fouls, and he slammed that **** ball for the W. How could you think this kid's not going to be worth some serious money?

Every year same thing second half all star stats are fools gold. Yall got me last year with this not this time.
Derrick Rose post-all star break stats vs. MVP year stats (pace adjusted) (self.nba)

I don't want to suggest that MVP Rose is back, but looking at those numbers, there's certainly reason to be happy. Rose finally seems to be learning to understand his limitations and playing to his strengths--putting up very good numbers and the best efficiency of his career in the process. There are downsides to his new approach of course--he's getting to the line much less frequently than he used to and getting fewer assists--but on the other side of the coin, the improved efficiency is striking. Keep in mind the post-break numbers come from a sample size of only 13 games, but nonetheless, I am finally believing that D-Rose has the potential to again be one of the best PGs in the NBA.

submitted 1 year ago * by jmk1991
Edit: Not pace-adjusted, but per-48. My b.
pts/48 a/48 r/48 TO/48 FG% 3P% FTA/48
Post all star break 31.0 7.9 5.4 4.4 .524 .483 4.4
MVP Year 32.1 9.9 5.2 4.4 .445 .332 8.8

[3toheadmelo]

10 minute highlight vid of his past season with atl
enjoy

Watch on YouTube

[Fat Kat]

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

[Im Coming Home]

So we got a shooter who can also slash, he's 25 and has been slowly improving his defense since his rookie season, and people are mad?

[E-Balla]

Great post from Reddit that actually gets me excited and hopeful for THJr.

As someone who really stopped following THJr after we traded him, it really surprised me. Just read up on the kid, he's a good player. We gotta let the whole trade/no defense stuff from his rookie year leave our minds because he seemed to improve almost his entire game after leaving.

Hawks fan here that fell in love with THJ last April and thought he was an integral part of our future. I'm pretty sad we didn't match the contract, and here's why. (most of this is an x-post from a submission I made on the Hawks subreddit).

**THJ have it all, baby.**

Tim Hardaway is a special type of player. On the Knicks he was known as a pure scorer, and on the Hawks he hasn't been much at all, except inconsistent. At least that's what some folks will tell you.. but let me direct your attention to some STATS.

http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612737/players-traditional/?sort=PLUS_MINUS&dir=1

**Concern 1: THJ doesn't make the team better.**

STAT: Tim Hardaway Junior had the highest plus minus on the Atlanta Hawks outside of the GOAT baby giraffe and the criminally underrated Lamar Patterson. That's higher than Paul Millsap and the rest of our bench.

[When Timmy is off the court,](http://stats.nba.com/team/#!/1610612737/onoffcourt-advanced/) our ORTG plummets from 106 to 98, while our DRTG stays about the same.

**Concern 2: Tim is too inconsistent**

STAT: in the 48 regular season games THJ played after 01/01/2017 (henceforth referred to as T-Day), he scored less than 10 points in only 7 of those games. In 24 out of 48 games, THJ shot above 40% on 3s. In only 11 games did THJ earn a TS% less than 50%.

**Concern 3: Tim is a bad defender**

STAT: Tim has a Defensive Rating of 103.1, which was higher than Thabo, Kent, and Dennis. The only players who played big minutes and actually had a higher DRTG were Paul and Delaney. Tim is also 6'6", which makes him the perfect size to guard other 2s. He just needs some more time at Hawks University before he comes out a plus defender.

**Concern 4: Tim just isn't worth the money.**

STAT: in 2017, over 48 games (THAT'S MORE THAN HALF THE SEASON), THJ scored 17 points a game on 47/39/81 splits. That's better than Dion Waiters, Kevin Love, Jrue Holiday, Batum, Eric Gordon, Jeff Teague, and many many others.

Let's look at some comparable players who have received or are expected to receive a good amount of money-- around $15M a season.

|Rk|Player|Season|Age|G|GS|FG|FGA|FG%|3P|3PA|3P%|FT%|ORB|DRB|TRB|AST|STL|BLK|TOV|PF|PTS|
|-:|:-|:-|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|
|1|Tim Hardaway|2016-17|24|79|30|6.9|15.2|.455|2.5|7.0|.357|.766|0.6|3.2|3.7|3.0|0.9|0.3|1.8|1.7|19.1|
|2|Dion Waiters|2016-17|25|46|43|7.3|17.2|.424|2.2|5.6|.395|.646|0.5|3.5|4.0|5.2|1.1|0.5|2.7|2.5|19.0|
|3|Evan Fournier|2016-17|24|68|66|6.6|15.0|.439|2.1|5.8|.356|.805|0.7|2.7|3.4|3.3|1.1|0.1|2.3|2.9|18.8|
|4|Otto Porter|2016-17|23|80|80|5.7|11.1|.516|2.0|4.7|.434|.832|1.6|5.5|7.1|1.7|1.6|0.6|0.6|2.7|14.9|

Keep in mind THJ only started 30 games this season and averaged a little over 27 minutes a game. That means less time to get comfortable on the floor, less time to mesh with his teammates. Yet per 36, THJ outscored his colleagues. And then you have to keep in mind that these stats include pre T-Day games, which explains his mediocre shooting splits. I wish I could compare all 4 players using only 2017 stats, but that would require more work than i can be bothered to do.

But here's the thing. THJ is only 25 years old now, and he's already shown what he can do.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

When Tim took that 3 to tie the game on T-Day, and then drew the foul in OT for the game-winning free throws, he transcended his physical form from a mere basketball player on his rookie contract into the next big thing. He's proven that he has what it takes to drag a team to victory on at least 2 separate occasions (See: the T-Day spurs game and Rockets game linked above). He's shown the work ethic, the grit, the grind that it takes to improve across the 2 seasons he's spent at Hawks University.

AND THEN you have to consider that Tim only has room to grow.

|Season|Age|Tm|Lg|Pos|G|GS|MP|FG|FGA|FG%|3P|3PA|3P%|2P|2PA|2P%|FT|FTA|FT%|ORB|DRB|TRB|AST|STL|BLK|TOV|PF|PTS|
|:-|-:|:-|:-|:-|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|
|2015-16|23|ATL|NBA|SG|51|1|864|4.7|11.0|.430|2.0|5.9|.338|2.7|5.1|.537|2.1|2.3|.893|0.3|3.3|3.6|2.1|0.9|0.3|1.0|2.0|13.6|
|2016-17|24|ATL|NBA|SG|79|30|2154|6.9|15.2|.455|2.5|7.0|.357|4.4|8.3|.537|2.7|3.6|.766|0.6|3.2|3.7|3.0|0.9|0.3|1.8|1.7|19.1|


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Generated 7/6/2017.

Over two years, per 36 minutes, THJ has developed his game in almost every area, on a worse team, while asked to take more of the offensive burden. And he's improved his efficiency while doing so.

If Evan Fournier got a $21M/Yr contract last year, if Dion Waiters was a steal at $13M/Yr this year, and if Otto Porter can earn a max this year, THJ is worth at least $15M/Yr. If the Hawks could have retained him for any amount less than that, it would have been an outright steal, but $71M/~4Yrs was obviously enough to force Atlanta's hand. You might say Timmy's been overpaid by $10 Million or so, but $2.5M a year is not the difference between a great contract and a terrible contract. Timmy will out-perform his contract and shine next to Porzingis. And obviously there are people angry about the initial trade, the Rose acquisition, etc. But that's all in the past. What's important is that over the next 4 years, you have a new partner for Kristaps and Frank to play off of, and whether you think you need to tank further (please don't) or develop with the pieces you have now (and get from a Melo trade), I think Timmy will prove to be an important part of your future.

And seriously. Watch this

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

again. He scored 22 of our last 28 points to bring us back from a 13 point deficit in the 4th. He shot the 3ball, he drove, he drew fouls, and he slammed that **** ball for the W. How could you think this kid's not going to be worth some serious money?

Every year same thing second half all star stats are fools gold. Yall got me last year with this not this time.
Derrick Rose post-all star break stats vs. MVP year stats (pace adjusted) (self.nba)

I don't want to suggest that MVP Rose is back, but looking at those numbers, there's certainly reason to be happy. Rose finally seems to be learning to understand his limitations and playing to his strengths--putting up very good numbers and the best efficiency of his career in the process. There are downsides to his new approach of course--he's getting to the line much less frequently than he used to and getting fewer assists--but on the other side of the coin, the improved efficiency is striking. Keep in mind the post-break numbers come from a sample size of only 13 games, but nonetheless, I am finally believing that D-Rose has the potential to again be one of the best PGs in the NBA.

submitted 1 year ago * by jmk1991
Edit: Not pace-adjusted, but per-48. My b.
pts/48 a/48 r/48 TO/48 FG% 3P% FTA/48
Post all star break 31.0 7.9 5.4 4.4 .524 .483 4.4
MVP Year 32.1 9.9 5.2 4.4 .445 .332 8.8

This is a bad point to make because Rose did outperform what he did after all star break last year and that sample for Tim is 48 games (and his whole season production justifies the contract too).

Rose post all star last year:
17.4/3.4/4.6, 46.8 FG%, 52 TS%

Rose this season:
18.0/3.8/4.4, 47.1 FG%, 53 TS%

You not realizing Rose sucked last year after the all star break doesn't make this bad point right. Try again and next time bring actual facts instead of whatever that crap you posted was.

[Rotten Apple]

When's the next time we'll have significant cap space? 2024?

[blueNorange]

i support this move.

[Icandoallthings]

Great post from Reddit that actually gets me excited and hopeful for THJr.

As someone who really stopped following THJr after we traded him, it really surprised me. Just read up on the kid, he's a good player. We gotta let the whole trade/no defense stuff from his rookie year leave our minds because he seemed to improve almost his entire game after leaving.

Every year same thing second half all star stats are fools gold. Yall got me last year with this not this time.
Derrick Rose post-all star break stats vs. MVP year stats (pace adjusted) (self.nba)

I don't want to suggest that MVP Rose is back, but looking at those numbers, there's certainly reason to be happy. Rose finally seems to be learning to understand his limitations and playing to his strengths--putting up very good numbers and the best efficiency of his career in the process. There are downsides to his new approach of course--he's getting to the line much less frequently than he used to and getting fewer assists--but on the other side of the coin, the improved efficiency is striking. Keep in mind the post-break numbers come from a sample size of only 13 games, but nonetheless, I am finally believing that D-Rose has the potential to again be one of the best PGs in the NBA.

submitted 1 year ago * by jmk1991
Edit: Not pace-adjusted, but per-48. My b.
pts/48 a/48 r/48 TO/48 FG% 3P% FTA/48
Post all star break 31.0 7.9 5.4 4.4 .524 .483 4.4
MVP Year 32.1 9.9 5.2 4.4 .445 .332 8.8

This is a bad point to make because Rose did outperform what he did after all star break last year and that sample for Tim is 48 games (and his whole season production justifies the contract too).

Rose post all star last year:
17.4/3.4/4.6, 46.8 FG%, 52 TS%

Rose this season:
18.0/3.8/4.4, 47.1 FG%, 53 TS%

You not realizing Rose sucked last year after the all star break doesn't make this bad point right. Try again and next time bring actual facts instead of whatever that crap you posted was.

Yeah he was amazing lmao.

[Icandoallthings]

Great post from Reddit that actually gets me excited and hopeful for THJr.

As someone who really stopped following THJr after we traded him, it really surprised me. Just read up on the kid, he's a good player. We gotta let the whole trade/no defense stuff from his rookie year leave our minds because he seemed to improve almost his entire game after leaving.


[spoiler]

Every year same thing second half all star stats are fools gold. Yall got me last year with this not this time.
Derrick Rose post-all star break stats vs. MVP year stats (pace adjusted) (self.nba)

I don't want to suggest that MVP Rose is back, but looking at those numbers, there's certainly reason to be happy. Rose finally seems to be learning to understand his limitations and playing to his strengths--putting up very good numbers and the best efficiency of his career in the process. There are downsides to his new approach of course--he's getting to the line much less frequently than he used to and getting fewer assists--but on the other side of the coin, the improved efficiency is striking. Keep in mind the post-break numbers come from a sample size of only 13 games, but nonetheless, I am finally believing that D-Rose has the potential to again be one of the best PGs in the NBA.

submitted 1 year ago * by jmk1991
Edit: Not pace-adjusted, but per-48. My b.
pts/48 a/48 r/48 TO/48 FG% 3P% FTA/48
Post all star break 31.0 7.9 5.4 4.4 .524 .483 4.4
MVP Year 32.1 9.9 5.2 4.4 .445 .332 8.8

But... THJr is 25 and steadily improving while D.Rose was a broken down player with multiple knee surgeries whos game relied on his athleticism..

Not gonna let you get my hopes up this year fam lol.

[Tron Carter]

i support this move.

you just support his TS%

[Crunchknicks1]

Why not get Clark now to play that run and gun

[blueNorange]

i support this move.

you just support his TS%