Melo Trade Thread #? - We all know nothing (Upd PG 64 - Deal Happening Tonight/Tomorrow?)

[god shammgod]

Cap space is mad overrated. It's nice to have some but generally it's easy to clear cap of you need too. Noah is almost impossible to move but in general it's easy to move albatross contracts

if it was easy than melo to houston would be done because they could easily move ryan anderson to a 3rd team. it's not so easy.

Teams seem to be demanding more than one first to take on that deal. Anything longer than 2 years is tough to stomach for most teams.

plus i'm sure we are asking for something, because what do we get out of helping them ? that's 3 picks it would cost them.

[whocares1]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19930463/new-york-knicks-ex-cleveland-cavaliers-gm-david-griffin-progressing-contract-negotiations

Contract negotiations maybe starting with Griffin.

[god shammgod]

if griffin is gonna be the gm soon, he must have been in the loop on timmy

[Capn'O]

Cap space is mad overrated. It's nice to have some but generally it's easy to clear cap of you need too. Noah is almost impossible to move but in general it's easy to move albatross contracts

if it was easy than melo to houston would be done because they could easily move ryan anderson to a 3rd team. it's not so easy.

It's gonna be Evan Turner after all

[mpharris36]

Cap space is mad overrated. It's nice to have some but generally it's easy to clear cap of you need too. Noah is almost impossible to move but in general it's easy to move albatross contracts

i wouldn't say its mad overrated. But for a team building around youth like us that wont be able to attract big time all-star talent type FA's yes its a bit overrated.

Which is why if we have to take back a slightly longer contract than Melo to get this done so we can get a few assets back I would be down. We aren't going to be in the FA pool at least for a 2-3 years anyway until our young guns are ready to compete.

The problem with rebuilding teams is that only a few understand how valuable their cap space is as a dumping ground for other teams. BK has realized this and has earned 3 first round picks and DeAngelo as a result. Philly realized it and it is the reason they have Markelle Fultz. When you are bad, you should keep enough open that you can take others' assets and, when you are good, you should go after players. When you are bad, and spending big on players that won't move the needle, that is the worst of both worlds.

but thats what im saying. If we just got back expiring for Melo we probably wouldn't get much else in terms of value...maybe one heavily protected? If Anderson contract is involved whether its a 3rd team (because we don't want it). HOU will have to pony up more future assets. So in turn its a similar situation you are suggesting we are taking on a bad contract whether its from a 3rd team to get more assets.

We are just doing it all at once.

[god shammgod]

Cap space is mad overrated. It's nice to have some but generally it's easy to clear cap of you need too. Noah is almost impossible to move but in general it's easy to move albatross contracts

if it was easy than melo to houston would be done because they could easily move ryan anderson to a 3rd team. it's not so easy.

It's gonna be Evan Turner after all

they can't do that to me

[mpharris36]

if griffin is gonna be the gm soon, he must have been in the loop on timmy

and in the Melo trade discussions as well. Seems like he is advising from a distance which isn't a bad thing.

[Capn'O]

if it was easy than melo to houston would be done because they could easily move ryan anderson to a 3rd team. it's not so easy.

It's gonna be Evan Turner after all

they can't do that to me

I've been trying to restrain on that one. Might have to have Mags ban me for trolling.

[god shammgod]

i wouldn't say its mad overrated. But for a team building around youth like us that wont be able to attract big time all-star talent type FA's yes its a bit overrated.

Which is why if we have to take back a slightly longer contract than Melo to get this done so we can get a few assets back I would be down. We aren't going to be in the FA pool at least for a 2-3 years anyway until our young guns are ready to compete.

The problem with rebuilding teams is that only a few understand how valuable their cap space is as a dumping ground for other teams. BK has realized this and has earned 3 first round picks and DeAngelo as a result. Philly realized it and it is the reason they have Markelle Fultz. When you are bad, you should keep enough open that you can take others' assets and, when you are good, you should go after players. When you are bad, and spending big on players that won't move the needle, that is the worst of both worlds.

but thats what im saying. If we just got back expiring for Melo we probably wouldn't get much else in terms of value...maybe one heavily protected? If Anderson contract is involved whether its a 3rd team (because we don't want it). HOU will have to pony up more future assets. So in turn its a similar situation you are suggesting we are taking on a bad contract whether its from a 3rd team to get more assets.

We are just doing it all at once.

we're not taking no god damn ryan anderson

[frothbrain]

Griffin vs Morey vs Lebron

[Capn'O]

Mills needs to hold out on this or take Cavs rumored Shumpert offer.

Oh man. I can get jiggy with that. Holy salary dump, batman!

[mpharris36]

The problem with rebuilding teams is that only a few understand how valuable their cap space is as a dumping ground for other teams. BK has realized this and has earned 3 first round picks and DeAngelo as a result. Philly realized it and it is the reason they have Markelle Fultz. When you are bad, you should keep enough open that you can take others' assets and, when you are good, you should go after players. When you are bad, and spending big on players that won't move the needle, that is the worst of both worlds.

but thats what im saying. If we just got back expiring for Melo we probably wouldn't get much else in terms of value...maybe one heavily protected? If Anderson contract is involved whether its a 3rd team (because we don't want it). HOU will have to pony up more future assets. So in turn its a similar situation you are suggesting we are taking on a bad contract whether its from a 3rd team to get more assets.

We are just doing it all at once.

we're not taking no god damn ryan anderson

I said to a 3rd team say like Portland and take back a couple contracts from them (harkless/Leonard)

[BrOnXKing1]

Maybe signing Griffen helps facilitate a Melo trade to Cleveland.

[god shammgod]

but thats what im saying. If we just got back expiring for Melo we probably wouldn't get much else in terms of value...maybe one heavily protected? If Anderson contract is involved whether its a 3rd team (because we don't want it). HOU will have to pony up more future assets. So in turn its a similar situation you are suggesting we are taking on a bad contract whether its from a 3rd team to get more assets.

We are just doing it all at once.

we're not taking no god damn ryan anderson

I said to a 3rd team say like Portland and take back a couple contracts from them (harkless/Leonard)

myers leonard is a bad deal too. what is the point ? the man will just leave in a year.

[mpharris36]

what in god's green earth is masai doing?

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[BLACKFEET 2010]

I hope Griffin values Frank. I hope he gets a chance to develop and succeed here.

[Newyorknick94]

Griffin is overrated what has he done? Lebron built the cavs

[god shammgod]

what in god's green earth is masai doing?

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maybe the owners made him do that. were they in the luxury tax now ?

[mpharris36]

we're not taking no god damn ryan anderson

I said to a 3rd team say like Portland and take back a couple contracts from them (harkless/Leonard)

myers leonard is a bad deal too. what is the point ? the man will just leave in a year.

i will take on leonard to get Harkless and a 2020 1st pick from HOU (maybe even throw in the rights to hartiestein or the chinese guy they just signed).

My point 2 years 20 million is worth taken on to get future assets.

What does the Melo cap space get you next offseason? We are probably going to be terrible. Give me assets I can live with Leonard its a bad contract but no immovable in the future because 10 million in a year will be a nice expiring for some.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

what in god's green earth is masai doing?

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He wants to tank. He knows that team has a ceiling they're very close to reaching and it's not enough.
By next year he won't get away with his cute little non-needle pushing moves. He wants the pressure off. He's already shown he's very capable of moving star players for youth. Deep down inside I think he wants to go young and I doubt he really wanted to resign Kyle.