2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[steady]

Quick straw poll - what would you rather, KCP@4/80 or trading for Crabbe with Portland's 2018 first?

Man , I know a lot of guys are down on Crabbe but for me it is Crabbe all the way, for3 reasons

1. He is the perfect culture fit - a living walking examplr of the kind of teammates Markinson want the Nets to be

2. His ceiling is probably much higher than we have seen bc his PT has been so limited by the sensational guards he plays next to

3. His shooting numbers are in Steph Curry territory. .444 3 pt shots and eFG% of .572

Curry's eFG this past year was .580

And Crabbes eFG has steadily gotten better every year he's been in League

[MrDollarBills]

Quick straw poll - what would you rather, KCP@4/80 or trading for Crabbe with Portland's 2018 first?

Crabbe and the 2018. that would be robbery

[steady]

Well he said that the battle for the starting center spot was up in the air and went to whoever earned it and I could see Jarrett Allen proving doubters wrong and making an impact right away.

Also he's not gonna Trade Brook for Russell and give 17+ mill to KCP to have either of them come off the bench.

I also assume Acy gets cut unless we make a trade to open up a roster spot.

I think every Nets fan is hoping for Jarrett Allen to prove people wrong but the average late first rounder turns out more like CMC than LeVert, especially when only looking at the start of this upcoming season.

I thought Acy signed a 2 year deal with the Nets? He's a guaranteed contract, no?

Jarrett Allen isn't your typical late first rounder as he was projected to go in the lottery for the vast majority of the season and even ranked as high as 8th at one point. The only reason he dropped to 22 was because most teams already have their center of the future or are looking for combo/stretch bigs.

And nah Acy can be waived anytime before 7/16

And he was 12 on the Nets draft board right ?

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I think every Nets fan is hoping for Jarrett Allen to prove people wrong but the average late first rounder turns out more like CMC than LeVert, especially when only looking at the start of this upcoming season.

I thought Acy signed a 2 year deal with the Nets? He's a guaranteed contract, no?

Jarrett Allen isn't your typical late first rounder as he was projected to go in the lottery for the vast majority of the season and even ranked as high as 8th at one point. The only reason he dropped to 22 was because most teams already have their center of the future or are looking for combo/stretch bigs.

And nah Acy can be waived anytime before 7/16

And he was 12 on the Nets draft board right ?

That's the rumor, which is pretty damn good considering how strong the top guys in this years draft were.

I bet he was the #1 center on their board.

[MrDollarBills]

Marks said they were surprised that he dropped to them.

[Curns13]

Miles, if no KCP, isn't bad. If we get KCP then I hope not.

It's better to have KCP play SF, like the 6'5 Courtney Lee and the 6'4 Tony Allen. He should be able to do it.

Lin/DRuss/KCP/RHJ/Moz
DVD/iHead/LVJ/Booker/Allen
Goodwin/SKil/JHar/Acy/JHam

Not bad, and that's 15 guys already? If they really want KCP to start at the 2 and/or better D, we could just switch DRuss and LVJ, there's still enough size in the second unit.

The perimeter rotation would be pretty good. The question marks would be with the bigs, can Moz, RHJ and Book hit threes? Can Moz stay healthy, motivated and PnR effectively? Can Allen contribute? If most of these are positive, this team would be pretty good on both ends and playoffs is doable.

Disagree respectfully....

It's not better to have KCP at 6'5 (in shoes) and have to bang against dudes that are 6'8 and up. LeVert will start at SF.

I'm just being realistic about this.

I think that depends on how he goes. He has guarded LBJ and other 3s so maybe he goes alright. You (and I) cannot advocate for 6'7 RHJ to play power forward and dismiss 6'5 KCP as a possible 3. If he gets a run at the 3 and stinks it up, then so be it, he's a 2. But I really want Lin starting, at least to start the season. He's familiar with the offense, is a starting (lower level sure) caliber pg and the veteran leader of this team. If Russell is showing enough to be the full time pg by the deadline, sure ship Lin off for a pick, but I don't wanna put too much on Russell too early. He's the franchises future and I don't wanna **** it up on him in season 1.

[MrDollarBills]

Miles, if no KCP, isn't bad. If we get KCP then I hope not.

It's better to have KCP play SF, like the 6'5 Courtney Lee and the 6'4 Tony Allen. He should be able to do it.

Lin/DRuss/KCP/RHJ/Moz
DVD/iHead/LVJ/Booker/Allen
Goodwin/SKil/JHar/Acy/JHam

Not bad, and that's 15 guys already? If they really want KCP to start at the 2 and/or better D, we could just switch DRuss and LVJ, there's still enough size in the second unit.

The perimeter rotation would be pretty good. The question marks would be with the bigs, can Moz, RHJ and Book hit threes? Can Moz stay healthy, motivated and PnR effectively? Can Allen contribute? If most of these are positive, this team would be pretty good on both ends and playoffs is doable.

Disagree respectfully....

It's not better to have KCP at 6'5 (in shoes) and have to bang against dudes that are 6'8 and up. LeVert will start at SF.

I'm just being realistic about this.

I think that depends on how he goes. He has guarded LBJ and other 3s so maybe he goes alright. You (and I) cannot advocate for 6'7 RHJ to play power forward and dismiss 6'5 KCP as a possible 3. If he gets a run at the 3 and stinks it up, then so be it, he's a 2. But I really want Lin starting, at least to start the season. He's familiar with the offense, is a starting (lower level sure) caliber pg and the veteran leader of this team. If Russell is showing enough to be the full time pg by the deadline, sure ship Lin off for a pick, but I don't wanna put too much on Russell too early. He's the franchises future and I don't wanna **** it up on him in season 1.

I don't think KCP can play 3 as opposed to RHJ who has the wingspan and frame to grow into the 4 spot, but fair enough.

That being said...this idea that Russell is some puppy that needs to be broken in on light blue piss sheets is a bit much. He is in year 3. He does not need to be broken in. he is an NBA player. season 1? this is already season 3 for him at age 21. his per 36 last year was 19 4 and 6.

Jeremy Lin barely played last season. if you think Marks and Kenny have tied their boat to him you're in for a rude awakening.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Here's a good question:

Are there any ACTUAL Nets fans that would rather see Lin start instead of DLo/KCP/LeVert on the perimeter?

It seems to me that the only people arguing for Lin to start won't be commenting on the Nets board once Lin gets traded to another team.

[Curns13]

I would definitely be going after a Cole Aldrich salary dump to get that OKC pick. Sure we have no roster spots but if he can't beat out Hamilton or Acy by opening night, just waive him and take the $7M hit. Sure that's an expensive 25th pick, but Prok paid more to get Whitehead last year. He only takes up $2M of guaranteed salary for next year. If we can then move some combination of Booker, Skill and/or Hamilton for a first rounder at the deadline, we'll go into the next draft in a similar spot to this year.

[steady]

Marks said they were surprised that he dropped to them.

Yeah
I read one staffer in the Nets FO describe it as a miracle

[Mkdaman1818]

I would definitely be going after a Cole Aldrich salary dump to get that OKC pick. Sure we have no roster spots but if he can't beat out Hamilton or Acy by opening night, just waive him and take the $7M hit. Sure that's an expensive 25th pick, but Prok paid more to get Whitehead last year. He only takes up $2M of guaranteed salary for next year. If we can then move some combination of Booker, Skill and/or Hamilton for a first rounder at the deadline, we'll go into the next draft in a similar spot to this year.

The OKC pick will be pretty bad, probably late 20s.

[Netaman]

Here's a good question:

Are there any ACTUAL Nets fans that would rather see Lin start instead of DLo/KCP/LeVert on the perimeter?

It seems to me that the only people arguing for Lin to start won't be commenting on the Nets board once Lin gets traded to another team.

I would prefer Lin starting over LeVert, no question. Best guys obviously play down the stretch, but what exactly has LeVert done that he has to be a starter? Can he at least dominate Summer League or training camp first?

[Curns13]

Here's a good question:

Are there any ACTUAL Nets fans that would rather see Lin start instead of DLo/KCP/LeVert on the perimeter?

It seems to me that the only people arguing for Lin to start won't be commenting on the Nets board once Lin gets traded to another team.

Yep. Lin, Dlo and KCP start with LeVert off the bench. I would expect by the start of 18/19 or at the latest 19/20 to have Russell, KCP and LeVert starting, but I don't think there is any rush, particularly with LeVert. He's played 57 games and started 26 of them, 1 more season of coming off the bench (still playing 25-30 minutes) won't hurt him at all.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Here's a good question:

Are there any ACTUAL Nets fans that would rather see Lin start instead of DLo/KCP/LeVert on the perimeter?

It seems to me that the only people arguing for Lin to start won't be commenting on the Nets board once Lin gets traded to another team.

I would prefer Lin starting over LeVert, no question. Best guys obviously play down the stretch, but what exactly has LeVert done that he has to be a starter? Can he at least dominate Summer League or training camp first?

He was fantastic last season and would've made an all rookie team if the Nets could get any damn respect. Also, as of now he is the only person on the roster with the size and skills to match up against opposing forwards if they insist on playing RHJ at PF.

IMO Leverts penciled in at sf no matter what, it's between Russel, KCP and Lin for the the 1-2 spots.

[Mkdaman1818]

Note that crabbe is eligible to be traded to us starting July 10 I believe, one year after his offer sheet was matched by Portland.

[Curns13]

I would definitely be going after a Cole Aldrich salary dump to get that OKC pick. Sure we have no roster spots but if he can't beat out Hamilton or Acy by opening night, just waive him and take the $7M hit. Sure that's an expensive 25th pick, but Prok paid more to get Whitehead last year. He only takes up $2M of guaranteed salary for next year. If we can then move some combination of Booker, Skill and/or Hamilton for a first rounder at the deadline, we'll go into the next draft in a similar spot to this year.

The OKC pick will be pretty bad, probably late 20s.

LeVert with the 20th, Allen with 22, RHJ with 24. So what if its the 27th, all it will cost us is money we probably wouldn't use anyway. The 27th and Lopez just got us Dlo. Maybe the OKC pick and Lin get us our next Dlo in our rebuild.

[hood30]

Russell has potential but Lin is the best player on this team and he won't come of the bench as long as he is a net.

Starting Lin only makes sense if the Nets believe Lin could help them make the playoff this year...and since they've traded Lopez, it is clear Brooklyn is prioritizing its future instead of trying to win right away....Therefore, starting Russell, their most talented prospect, ahead of Lin makes more sense for its future.

If Brooklyn signs KCP, it is likely Lin will come off the bench since you're not signing this guy to a 16-17 mill multi year contract to come off the bench..He's also young at 24 and will be part of the future alongside Russell...That leaves Lin the odd man out and I think the best scenario for him is to be traded to a fringe playoff team where he could start or a very good title contender where he could come off the bench and win a ring.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Here's a good question:

Are there any ACTUAL Nets fans that would rather see Lin start instead of DLo/KCP/LeVert on the perimeter?

It seems to me that the only people arguing for Lin to start won't be commenting on the Nets board once Lin gets traded to another team.

Yep. Lin, Dlo and KCP start with LeVert off the bench. I would expect by the start of 18/19 or at the latest 19/20 to have Russell, KCP and LeVert starting, but I don't think there is any rush, particularly with LeVert. He's played 57 games and started 26 of them, 1 more season of coming off the bench (still playing 25-30 minutes) won't hurt him at all.

That perimeter would be incredibly undersized. Hell even LeVert struggled against bigger 3s. Every Forward in the league would just shoot over KCP and forget about when he inevitably has to switch onto 4s.

And Lin didn't even play in 40 games last season and has been coming off the bench for the vast majority of his NBA career so I don't really see your point.

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