2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

Claud · Post #241 » by **Claud** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 5:54 am

OKC Pick + Patton for Aldrich next move pls :nod:

Claud · Post #242 » by **Claud** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 5:56 am

steady wrote:Speculation on Twitter about how this effects LeVert

30 yr old Carroll starts at SF, Nets most glaring need, Nets as GM hinted during DLo trade use @CarisLeVert as back up both G positions

DMC is more of a 4 than 3 now IMO... I see Lin-Dlo-CL-DMC-MOZ

DartboardT · Post #243 » by **DartboardT** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 5:58 am

Hey, if they can make Carroll a decent 4 the way the Hornets transitioned Marvin Williams from the 3 to 4, it'll work well enough

Keith Van Horn · Post #244 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 6:00 am

Green next up? KCP still in the cards? Kind of wound up now but don't think we'll hear anything else tonight

PG13 · Post #245 » by **PG13** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 6:01 am

Instead of overpaying KCP maybe Marks should take on more salary dump with the remaining cap space?

MrDollarBills · Post #246 » by **MrDollarBills** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 6:02 am

I think we need to make RHJ/DMC battle out for the 4 spot

but we still have space remaining

and winter is coming

Ror1997 · Post #247 » by **Ror1997** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 6:08 am

So no kcp?

vincecarter4pres · Post #248 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 6:12 am

This basically was a no ultimatum stance to KCP and his agent:

"We want you, but at a reasonable deal, no max. Take it or leave it."

JoseRizal · Post #249 » by **JoseRizal** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 6:18 am

DartboardT wrote:Hey, if they can make Carroll a decent 4 the way the Hornets transitioned Marvin Williams from the 3 to 4, it'll work well enough

He's 6-8 so I think he can make that transition.

JoseRizal · Post #250 » by **JoseRizal** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 6:19 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:This basically was a no ultimatum stance to KCP and his agent:

"We want you, but at a reasonable deal, no max. Take it or leave it."

Which is still better than taking a 1 year 17M offer from the Lakers... 8-)

JoseRizal · Post #251 » by **JoseRizal** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 6:37 am

Btw, another good news about this trade is that we can possibly have 2 2nd round picks in the 31st-36th range. As long as the Pacers & Lakers/Magic keeps on losing... Great job Marks!

Rafly · Post #252 » by **Rafly** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 6:45 am

Who else can sign KCP? I think 4/72 pretty much the Hardaway deal is the most he'd get.

JohnStockton · Post #253 » by **JohnStockton** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 6:45 am

The TOR trade was very good. Solid A/B+ move.

But don't get it twisted, DeMarre is shot, and it's explicitly because his knee is jacked. He's simply not physically the player he was in Atlanta. His straight line speed is worse, doesn't jump as well, lateral quickness has declined... These are just things that are physically true. Maybe he makes a miraculous recovery after two down years, but you shouldn't bet on it. Though who knows, maybe Kenny sprinkles his magic development dust on him again and he comes back to life.

All that said, even if he scrubs it up here for two years, the 2018 1st & 2nd RD Picks are worth his salary dump for this franchise. It will provide some young pieces for the future, and obviously the Nets desperately need that, especially in light of not having their own picks in 2018.

Also, DeMarre can serve as a mentor/locker-presence for the younger guys, so that's a plus. He's always been a real good teammate, and that has its uses on a team trying to keep up good culture, even if he's trash on the court now.

In other news, I've been hoping for this entire FA that the Front Office would go after JaMychel Green, seeing as the current front-court has almost zero shooting, and it's especially true now. They still have the $$$ to do it, so I'm hoping to see something like that happen, or maybe a more general attempt to refortify the front-court, with something like Dedmon at C, and a budget stretch PF like Ilysova.

Of course, the FO could also do something with KCP, but I have always been super sour on KCP, so I hope this is a sign they aren't going after him. The whole KCP thing among Nets fans online has actually been pretty weird/funny to view from afar. At first, the vast majority of fans were initially heavily against KCP, but then they suddenly did a 180 and started building him up when it started looking like a serious possibility KCP would get MAXed after Porter fell through. Guess y'all had to subconsciously protect your fandoms from the returning feeling of Billy King levels of dread or something, but maybe you can rescind those feelings now :lol:

. It's okay to not want to pay huge amounts of money for a guy who couldn't even shoot 40% from the field.

Seriously though, if KCP would've gotten something near a max, Sean Marks would have to automatically lose half of the good faith he's earned so far. Probably more.

Vae Victus · Post #254 » by **Vae Victus** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 7:32 am

Very cute how Marks was able to have JUST enough cap space for Rich Paul and KCP to think they have a chance at a 4 year 88 mil contract (remember salaries usually increase as seasons go on). I see Marks more likely to go for a coupla proven cheap vets to fill out the rest of the cap, and overpay a bit to get em for shorter term is possible.

JaMychal Green would be solid as he fills that stretch 4 need, just curious at how MEM views him. A reasonable deal offered should be insta matched. Ilyasova can be an ok stop gap for a year, maybe even CJ Miles at a large 1 year overpay, and thus rolling over the cap for a max slot next year. Booker however needs to resolved somehow, he's gonna be sour as **** if he gets pushed to 3rd string. He doesnt have a 3 pt shot, nor growth potential of RHJ, and if JaMychal or Ilyasova is signed AND if Carroll gets alot of mins at the 4 (due to his limited mobility) i mean where does that leave Booker.

So far Marks was able to dump JHam, maybe he can d osomething similar with Booker.

ChokeFasncists · Post #255 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 7:37 am

steady wrote:Interesting post from Raptor Real GM this spring

He was extremely reliant on others setting him up. 83% of his points were assisted in Atlanta. That worked well in an offense that moved the ball extremely well but Toronto is one of the worst passing teams in the league. A lot of people envisioned this happening. That's completely ignoring his injury.

Strange thing tho, is that he posted good stats in his first year in Toronto. I think it's probably his injury that was the main problem. (hope not, Kenny knows best? Otherwise why would they give up so much?)

ChokeFasncists · Post #256 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 7:39 am

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:And Lin has been coming off the bench for the vast majority of his NBA career so I don't really see your point.

No quite true unless you include pre-Linsanity games that he didn't play. Linsanity Knicks - almost half a season - starting. One full year starting in Houston. More than half a year of coming off the bench in Houston. Lakers - started but had to come off the bench for more than half a year cuz of the tanking. Charlotte - almost a full year of coming off the bench. Brooklyn - started full year but was injured for a long time. The math: 405 games played, 216 started.

ChokeFasncists · Post #257 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 7:42 am

Sleepyazn wrote:Also the 2nd rounder is whichever one is worse of the Lakers/Magic next season. **** SEAN MARKS IS A GOD!

Arenas 2.0!?

Did the Marksman make a pact with the devil??!!

He surely did if he gets KCP to sign THJ money (starting at 16m)

ChokeFasncists · Post #258 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 7:43 am

Vae Victus wrote:Very cute how Marks was able to have JUST enough cap space for Rich Paul and KCP to think they have a chance at a 4 year 88 mil contract (remember salaries usually increase as seasons go on). I see Marks more likely to go for a coupla proven cheap vets to fill out the rest of the cap, and overpay a bit to get em for shorter term is possible.

JaMychal Green would be solid as he fills that stretch 4 need, just curious at how MEM views him. A reasonable deal offered should be insta matched. Ilyasova can be an ok stop gap for a year, maybe even CJ Miles at a large 1 year overpay, and thus rolling over the cap for a max slot next year. Booker however needs to resolved somehow, he's gonna be sour as **** if he gets pushed to 3rd string. He doesnt have a 3 pt shot, nor growth potential of RHJ, and if JaMychal or Ilyasova is signed AND if Carroll gets alot of mins at the 4 (due to his limited mobility) i mean where does that leave Booker.

So far Marks was able to dump JHam, maybe he can d osomething similar with Booker.

Strange thing tho, Booker made 37% from deep off the bench.

Rafly · Post #259 » by **Rafly** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 7:52 am

PG: Deangelo Russell
SG: KCP
SF: Caris Levert
PF: Carroll
C: Mozgov

6 man: Lin
SF/PF: RHJ
C: J. Allen
PF: Booker

Papi_swav · Post #260 » by **Papi_swav** » Sun Jul 9, 2017 7:53 am

We hit the jackpot just now !! Need to know what kind of protection is on that first tho, but that 2nd pick is gold. We have so much options now, can still get KCP, or go after Green or Dedmon. We still need a big that can shoot the 3, not sure if there are any centers in FA that can shoot the 3 though. I think we should trade Booker now and go after Green and a center. Booker should get us a decent player back. Marks is the man with the plan !