Trade & FA Ideas & Discussion 3: #TheTimeline

[kennydorglas]

Sean Marks saved the Nets. Unbelievable.

[matt131]

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[Mulhollanddrive]

DeMarre Carroll got dumped with a 1st and 2nd rounder.

Not a good sign for the Brandon Knight situation.

[jcsunsfan]

Good job for BKN. Starting to collect assets. Absolutely needed.

[Villalobos]

They can't offer a max anymore, so unless they take one of Portland's contracts (Meyers Leonard? Do they have enough cap for one of the others?) they might throw some money at Salsa Grande or even Len.

[thamadkant]

Lol, Demarre might not even need to move houses. Toronto to Brooklyn is so ideal for him lol

[DaleyBlind]

DeMarre Carroll got dumped with a 1st and 2nd rounder.

Not a good sign for the Brandon Knight situation.

Id rather Keep Knight than attach any 1st round picks just to dump him.

[bwgood77]

They can't offer a max anymore, so unless they take one of Portland's contracts (Meyers Leonard? Do they have enough cap for one of the others?) they might throw some money at Salsa Grande or even Len.

They can still offer KCP a pretty hefty contract starting at about 20 million I think, and if they want to offer the max, they could try and dump Trevor Booker.

[bwgood77]

DeMarre Carroll got dumped with a 1st and 2nd rounder.

Not a good sign for the Brandon Knight situation.

Yeah, Knight isn't going anywhere unless he is waived, bought out, or significant assets are attached. I have never been an advocate of trading picks to get rid of him...just have continued to state what I think it would take.

I do think it would be best for the team to get rid of him one way or another, but not sure what I'd give up. If we did need the cap space it might be worth giving something up, but we don't.

If Gambo is right that he won't play for the team anymore then I really don't know what to expect.

[Damkac]

I hate thinking of trading ANOTHER 1st round pick to get rid of Knight. Unless you need cap space to sign somebody/trade for somebody I would rather just keep him and just not play him.

And I also hate those dumb Warren trades I see here EVERY FREAKING DAY!

[Qwigglez]

Better just keep Knight. I mentioned before, but if we are not planning on extending Bledsoe than we should trade him and have Knight start. It may be hard to stomach, but it should hopefully recoup any of his value if he plays like his old Bucks self and then maybe we can trade him later if it's possible.

[Years90Suns]

really....already discussing next yrs pick ????? Cant we go into this season with just a glimmer of a notion to win games? This is subtle tank talk you are engaging in.

I think half of you around here are so used to losing that it has become second nature

Have you seen how much our conference has improved?

I'm sorry, but are McD's hands tied? Is he not allowed to play in FA with the rest of the GMs? That's a cop-out, IMO. McD needs to get creative, take the assets we have, make our OWN trades to get better. There are players out there to be had; McD just needs to find the right pkg of players and picks to bring it home. And no, I'm not suggesting going after players like Dwight Howard, but I am showing that players like Paul, Gallinari, and George can be had for the right pkg of assets, which we now have PLENTY of.

Exhibit A...
Chris Paul was acquired by the Houston Rockets from the Los Angeles Clippers in exchange for Patrick Beverley, Sam Dekker, Montrezl Harrell, Darrun Hilliard, DeAndre Liggins, Lou Williams, Kyle Wiltjer, cash and a TPE.

Exhibit B...
Victor Oladipo and Domas Sabonis were acquired by the Indiana Pacers from the Oklahoma City Thunder in exchange for Paul George and multiple TPEs.

Exhibit C...
A TPE was acquired by the Denver Nuggets in exchange for Danilo Gallinari. Danilo Gallinari was acquired by the Los Angeles Clippers in exchange for Jamal Crawford, Diamond Stone and cash. Jamal Crawford, Diamond Stone and cash were acquired by the Atlanta Hawks.

Exhibit D...
Dwight Howard was acquired by the Charlotte Hornets from the Atlanta Hawks in exchange for Marco Belinelli and Miles Plumlee.

I understand your point, but let's imagine that we had got George, Anthony, Love or Paul.
Cannot you see there a little disadjustement in the developement of our young players and that of the newly acquired star.
I believe a roster needs a balance in the talent of its components.
In addition, getting a star in his prime now would not offer us any assurance of fighting for a ring in the nextcouple of years.

The movements we should make and will probably make are those that, as you say, provide us with some veteran presence, while we get rid of some picks. But the players that we potentially get should be players similar to Chandler, Barbosa, Dudley, Tucker... those are the kind of players we need in order to show our youngs how to play and win, but they need to be younger that those guys and slightly better.

We are at the point of turning the point by adding some veteran players that do not interfere with the developement of our real stars of the future. May be at some point we can get a guy like the Celtics did with Hayward, but they already had players like Horford, Crowder, Bradley and IT, proven veterans that teach the youngs (Brown, Tatum, Smart).

[lilfishi22]

DeMarre Carroll got dumped with a 1st and 2nd rounder.

Not a good sign for the Brandon Knight situation.

Id rather Keep Knight than attach any 1st round picks just to dump him.

100%.For a young team with cap space, giving up assets to get rid of a bad asset when you don't need to is a bad idea. We already gave up the LA first to get him, we're not losing another 1st to get rid of him

[NBA Fiend]

Dear god I've done it. Maximum cap space savings for New York. After signing Timmy the second no way they take on Ryan Anderson. Cavs get bench pieces. Maybe if McD is feeling generous he throws in the miami pick. I know it's not happening but it's late/early and I can't rest. You the think if I post this on the trade board I'll be reprimanded?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9ax4qxe

[BobbieL]

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welp... this was my kind of trade - but Knight did have one more year left on his deal so , smart move by the Raptors to give up late picks - and they get a bunch of cap space to either save from luxury tax or make more moves. So for sure the Nets taking on Carroll is the wiser move than taking on Knights extra 16m

I think I am on board with trading Bledsoe - especially with the market and see if Knight would be better starting with Booker

[shrink]

Any interest in swapping Cole Aldrich for Jared Dudley straight up?

Thibs didn't play Aldrich much last year, but he was decent on the Clips as a back-up, as a smart big who can run the pick and roll and defend the rim a little. His contract could help a team shave some salary for the valuable 2018 free agency, but MIN won't have cap space for that either.

For the Suns, I figure he could give you some leverage in contract talks with Len, and at worst, be a fallback position. He's a professional and would be a good mentor for your young bigs. The best part though for you may be his short contract, which is $7.3 mil this year, and a TEAM option for $6.95 mil, with jut $2 mil guaranteed. This cuts $2.7 in salary this year, and could add $7.5 mil in cap space in 2018.

[sunsbg]

How did Knight's value drop so much ? He was putting good stats not so long ago.

A few days ago I read Bogdan was signed by the Kings for 12mil/year. Do they really prefer a player not proven on the NBA level, whose ceiling is a good role player ?

Just wait and see some desperate team will gamble on him.

[BobbieL]

Dear god I've done it. Maximum cap space savings for New York. After signing Timmy the second no way they take on Ryan Anderson. Cavs get bench pieces. Maybe if McD is feeling generous he throws in the miami pick. I know it's not happening but it's late/early and I can't rest. You the think if I post this on the trade board I'll be reprimanded?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9ax4qxe

I am not sure the Cavs would want Dudley or Knight but Knight does replace Shumpert from a points perspective and Dudley replaces Frye - so a pretty good trade. And for the Suns, it does move Knights deal off which is big. For the Knicks, they get cap space much quicker. I agree, the McD would probably have to throw in the Suns pick and possibly Peters or Jones for the Knicks. For the Cavs - Knight does bring more offense off the bench and Dudley is a smart player, rebounder, knows role so won't hurt you

But if this deal were offered, I probably would include the Heat pick if need be to make it happen. I am sure the Knicks would want Warren - but not sure I do there

[BobbieL]

Any interest in swapping Cole Aldrich for Jared Dudley straight up?

Thibs didn't play Aldrich much last year, but he was decent on the Clips as a back-up, as a smart big who can run the pick and roll and defend the rim a little. His contract could help a team shave some salary for the valuable 2018 free agency, but MIN won't have cap space for that either.

For the Suns, I figure he could give you some leverage in contract talks with Len, and at worst, be a fallback position. He's a professional and would be a good mentor for your young bigs. The best part though for you may be his short contract, which is $7.3 mil this year, and a TEAM option for $6.95 mil, with jut $2 mil guaranteed. This cuts $2.7 in salary this year, and could add $7.5 mil in cap space in 2018.

I have read the Twolves are more than likely trying to cut salary so, per Twitter they would move Cole to the Suns (or Nets or Pacers) for a future second and attach the pick from OKC, through UT - to save the dollars on the Lux tax

[shrink]

Any interest in swapping Cole Aldrich for Jared Dudley straight up?

Thibs didn't play Aldrich much last year, but he was decent on the Clips as a back-up, as a smart big who can run the pick and roll and defend the rim a little. His contract could help a team shave some salary for the valuable 2018 free agency, but MIN won't have cap space for that either.

For the Suns, I figure he could give you some leverage in contract talks with Len, and at worst, be a fallback position. He's a professional and would be a good mentor for your young bigs. The best part though for you may be his short contract, which is $7.3 mil this year, and a TEAM option for $6.95 mil, with jut $2 mil guaranteed. This cuts $2.7 in salary this year, and could add $7.5 mil in cap space in 2018.

I have read the Twolves are more than likely trying to cut salary so, per Twitter they would move Cole to the Suns (or Nets or Pacers) for a future second and attach the pick from OKC, through UT - to save the dollars on the Lux tax

I read that too, but I think it's unlikely the Wolves would do this.

Even if Aldrich was injured and could provide no production at all, that's only $9.3 mil for a first rounder. Many teams would bite at that, including the Wolves. The wolves, too. In fact, they could simple stretch him, and only pay $1.86 mil in a cap hold, and get $5.24 mil in cap space, and that's even if Aldrich wouldn't take less in a buy out to quickly join a new team, nor counting a little set off.