Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017

[FinNasty]

Adebayo looked like trash in the 10 odd minutes I watched of him. Very unskilled; ceiling of Biyombo which albeit might net him 15mill a year.

I guess watch more than 10min...

[NBAfan3024]

So are we going to have threads like this everyday for each game he has?

[ThunderBolt]

Colin Cowherd-

"The triple double is a completely arbitrary stat," on Russell Westbrook averaging a triple double.

"Averaging a triple double in the finals shows that Lebron is the greatest of all time."

This coming Monday, "Lonzo is the next generation of Lebron and will be amazing and much better than anyone like Westbrook."

[GimmeDat]

Adebayo looked like trash in the 10 odd minutes I watched of him. Very unskilled; ceiling of Biyombo which albeit might net him 15mill a year.

Sorry? He's been balling out this summer, and not just by physically overpowering his opponents. If anything, he's been looking more skilled than expected.

dude is not gonna stand a chance at the next level, would be molested by true bigs like Gobert and Deandre and would not be able to keep up with the new wave of highly skilled bigs (Embiid, Kat, Jokic, Zingers, Myles). I just don't see the potential to warrant a lottery pick that is for sure, maybe Riley thinks he has a high floor but I mean I just don't see anything special there and he seems to be getting a lot of hype.

What Bam's done in SL has already shown a much wider offensive skillset than Biyombo could ever dream of.

Bam's playing PF in the NBA, maybe some small ball 5, that seems like the major flaw in your assessment, because you're comparing him to guys he's rarely going to match up against.

[SCHeat]

Did he stop shooting from his stomach?

[FinNasty]

Adebayo looked like trash in the 10 odd minutes I watched of him. Very unskilled; ceiling of Biyombo which albeit might net him 15mill a year.

Sorry? He's been balling out this summer, and not just by physically overpowering his opponents. If anything, he's been looking more skilled than expected.

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dude is not gonna stand a chance at the next level, would be molested by true bigs like Gobert and Deandre and would not be able to keep up with the new wave of highly skilled bigs (Embiid, Kat, Jokic, Zingers, Myles). I just don't see the potential to warrant a lottery pick that is for sure, maybe Riley thinks he has a high floor but I mean I just don't see anything special there and he seems to be getting a lot of hype.

Whiteside will be the one matching up with the "true bigs". Bam is a PF who can play as a small-ball Center.

[Senbonzakura]

The comments in this thread are why I'm starting to not like the NBA.

Absolutely stupid and moronic fanbase along with extremely predictable playoffs.

Happens when you have a moron delusional father and moron delusional laker fans talking him up like he is something he clearly is not.

I'm talking about both sets of people. The ones like you who are trashing him for one summer league game and the ones who are hyping him up for one game. Use your damn brains. It's summer league. It's a tiny sample size against a weirdly mixed group of competition. Anthony Morrow and Anthony Randolph have shredded summer league in the past. Derrick Rose and Nicolas Batum struggled. Greg Ostertag outplayed Tim Duncan in a **** summer league game.

I'm so sick of NBA and sports fans in general who can't think rationally or evaluate things on any kind of logical. It's all hot takes. People here criticize the hell out of Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith, and are EVEN MORE reactionary than they are and twice as **** clueless.

[_jin]

So the kid shoots 50% in ONE SUMMER LEAGUE game and he's a NBA level 3 point shooter and so much better than Tatum at that, but we just ignore when he shoots 0% in the previous game or that he shot 32% in college. Btw Tatum had a better 3pt percentage in college but we should just ignore that too.
And PerkinsFor3, man

[OdomFan]

He hasn't put any haters to rest (some will never go to rest regardless) but it's definitely a start that he should be able to continue to progress from moving forward.

Right now I'm more interested in him being a solid point guard for the team rather than the next big thing. Do the job he's suppose to do and put decent points and let the star status come to you organically.

[PLO]

Well 2 of those were bail out last second shots, and one was a half court buzzer shot. You don't count those he's shooting 50%. This is why stats are ruining the game. People don't want to try that half court shot at the end of the quarter or it will hurt their precious stats... it's sad how the league has become. Wish the stat people stayed with baseball.

Truth of the matter is...Rubio doesn't have Ball's athleticism. Never seen Rubes go up and tomahawk like Ball did today. Never seen Rubes with the hang time that Ball demonstrated in the paint either. And Ball is still maturing. He still has a kid's body. Wait until he trains like a pro and becomes a man, gains strength. He could be a beast.

And Ball's shot is still up in the air. He could end up being just as efficient as he was in college as he gets more time under his belt.

I'd say Ball's passes are more crisp than Rubios. I think Ball will impact the game from long distance once he is acclimated to the league so he'll be multi-dimensional unlike Rubes.

It does seem like all non-laker fans are scared of Ball. I remember when we got Kobe and many opposing teams fans got scared, were in denial of how great Kobe was, tried to play him down, said he was no good, etc. Then Kobe got 5 rings. Ball might just have the same effect, and I think Ball has the rest of the league and their fans a bit scared right now. So as a Laker fan I do understand the defensive mechanisms on this board. When Lakers get someone great it gives the league pause....that oh sh...moment...like oh no...not another Laker dynasty

When you have la fans relating ingram to durant
Ball having the same impact as oberon james or magic johnston we obviously going to make fun of you. He's playing in summer league remember the same league where players who put up 30ppg and on good shooting percentages which are still in the summer leauge
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Once teams scout him and say hey he cant shoot slack off him then it becomes a lot harder for him to distribute.

Ok. Who says Ball can't shoot? Does 2 SL games dictate his whole nba shooting %? Also why is jason kidd so successful his shooting % was never jaw dropping. Interesting thing though...Kidd shot a bit better in college than in the nba. Kidd shot less than 40% in many seasons yet he will be HOF.

Jason Kidd could actually dribble, you know that thing that point guards have to do occasionally if they are going to get a short or mid-range shot off. The thing that Ball can't do given he has no short or mid-range game whatsoever. The thing the other point guards drafted in the top ten have shown they can do; like Fox, Fultz and Dennis Smith Jnr and also basically all of them not in the top 10 as well.

Kidd could also move laterally, you know that thing you have to be able to do when you defend the point of attack; Ball can't do it and its the reason he's a turnstile on defense and the reason the Lakers will be awful this year if he's on the floor for any length of time. If De'aaron Fox can blow past him with regularity with limited moves in a college game you have to wonder what's going to happen when he's up against even the most basic of NBA guards, let alone the Currys, Kyries, John Walls, CP3s etc of the game. Just as well you have noted defensive presence Brook Lopez behind him to clean up Ball's mistakes.

He has great vision, but unfortunately he's going to get very limited usage out of it in the NBA. You drafted a role-playing shooting guard with wonky shooting mechanics with the number 2 pick. The only solace I have for you is if you get the number one pick in the draft next year it will go to the Sixers, not to your arch-enemy in the Celtics. Despite the fact there are a lot of tanking teams this year I'd say its even money for the Celtics to get your pick.

[Klayforspicy]

Imagine Ricky Rubio..but without defense.

[PLO]

^^ Awesome

[lamscott]

To me Ball looks as though he shouldve stayed one more year at UCLA to refine his scoring and defensive game . I think it wouldve served him to pay his sophomore year as the primary scoring threat and to get after it on defense.

I'm really not trying to be rude, but you do understand he was the #2 overall pick right? Like he could have worked on his craft at UCLA and been the #1 overall next year...is that the point you're trying to make? I hope you understand the whole point of this is to be drafted as high as possible.

I think you are confused because he didnt care about where he was drafted as long as the lakers chose him . If the Lakers were 8th he still wouldve wanted to be 8th .

Overall his game is lacking as far as scoring and defensively and those are things he couldve improved upon immensely in college . Now his daddy has shined a spotlight on him and guys are gonna be coming after him hard . I cant recall a point guard developing a pro offensive arsenal after they get to the nba .

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[LastNameEver]

Ball is looking more like the generational talent of this draft class. Kuzma can be something very special as well.

Well i gotta say your posts are strikingly bad, hopefully this is a troll account

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[PerkinsFor3]

Just saw Portland's game. Swanigan was NICE. Zach Collins as well. I think Caleb should be able to take thats starting PF job, should fit well next to Nurkic as well. Collins backuup for Nurk, Then let Vonleh and Meyers fight for backup PF minutes, unless you manage to offload Leonard. He's horrible.

[FinNasty]

18/10 on 50% FG and 100% 6/6 on FT...

Watch on YouTube

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[Im Coming Home]

Same guy predicted Westbrook to be a journeyman at age 30.

[Not a fan of Westbrook but never said he'd be a journeyman at 30.

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My question is how many more years can he keep up his game that is so reliant on his freak athleticism. I just don't don't see him maintaining that kind of explosiveness for much longer. If he doesn't get injured soon, he'll probably hit that wall and decline. He'll probably be a journeyman by the time he is 30.

Same guy who called Ingram the next Durant or MJ.

Ingram to MJ? That is another one I don't remember ever saying.

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Ingram definitely has the potential to be better than Kevin Durant...his ceiling would be Michael Jordan/Lebron type of impact I would say. At worst he is Kevin Garnett in his prime type of impact.

Same guy who claimed Zubac shouldve been a top 3 pick.

Zubac a top 3? Doubt I said that. If I did, I don't know what I was smoking. But if you can find that thread with that quote LMK.

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Best center in the draft bar none. Not sure why he dropped 32, and how he fell off of the other team's radar. Should have been a top 3 pick

Right, half of these I didn't say.

You deserve an award for this post.

[The_Hater]

While it's nice to see guys play well rather than poorly, there's always some fans who will grossly overate the significance of NBA summer league. It's no different than watching a player have a great game during the NCAA tournament. It's a n extremely small sample vs inferior competition.

Where are all the sign Glen Rice Jr threads from this poster?

[InfinityZero]

Same guy predicted Westbrook to be a journeyman at age 30.

Not a fan of Westbrook but never said he'd be a journeyman at 30.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1483226#p49437766

My question is how many more years can he keep up his game that is so reliant on his freak athleticism. I just don't don't see him maintaining that kind of explosiveness for much longer. If he doesn't get injured soon, he'll probably hit that wall and decline. He'll probably be a journeyman by the time he is 30.

Same guy who called Ingram the next Durant or MJ.

Ingram to MJ? That is another one I don't remember ever saying.

viewtopic.php?t=1463694&start=40#p48604976

Ingram definitely has the potential to be better than Kevin Durant...his ceiling would be Michael Jordan/Lebron type of impact I would say. At worst he is Kevin Garnett in his prime type of impact.

Same guy who claimed Zubac shouldve been a top 3 pick.

Zubac a top 3? Doubt I said that. If I did, I don't know what I was smoking. But if you can find that thread with that quote LMK.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1467532&start=20#p48831350

Best center in the draft bar none. Not sure why he dropped 32, and how he fell off of the other team's radar. Should have been a top 3 pick

Right, half of these I didn't say.

[KingDavid]

Did he stop shooting from his stomach?

I think I saw one of his misses where he shot from his chest. If he had a typical release, he would have it. I don't know if he can shoot from his chest and swing the ball before release.

But it looks like he's working on it. So that's good. He didn't shoot well and 4 of the 5 shots he made were wide open. I don't know why that's a detriment to some here. I don't think anyone wants him to pull up with a defender in his face, lol.

He went into the post against a smaller pg. If his footwork improves, I think he can do some great work down there. He is behind the curve on the pick and roll though. Maybe experience fixes that. He still has a hard time dribbling around defenders. It'll open up once he fixes his shot from deep.

His vision is impressive his passing is good, but he's going to need to be a little more selfish on drives or teams are going to dive his passing lanes. He's got to become a threat to finish. There will be an adjustment period. But I think he'll be OK.

The kidd and Rubio comparisons are on the extreme end of things right now. But I'm starting to see pieces of both players in Ball, but none of their defensive skill. He has the size length of someone that's usually passable in that department, but none of the foot speed or footwork or intensity in that end. None that I've seen so far. I'd give him time. Defense can be learned.

Also, I don't think he's in nba shape yet. I think come preseason, we'll see a better moving body from ball.