Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[CelticsLV]

Hoping we can get Jam Green in a sign and trade, for Crowder.

So you want to pay more for player who is actually similar to or worse than Crowder? I'm trying real hard to take you seriously but between Okafor can be better than Porzingis and this it seems futile.

[Brad is God]

The only way we should add another "star" is if we can do it w/o giving up Jaylen, Tatum, or 2018 BK pick. Those 3 are completely untouchable in my eyes. I would even put Smart in there too, but don't want to ruffle some people on this forum's feathers.

[Afam]

Celtics are not getting a star without the 2018 Nets pick, 2018 Lakers Pick, Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum being involved. These are the celtics main assets.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Hoping we can get Jam Green in a sign and trade, for Crowder.

So you want to pay more for player who is actually similar to or worse than Crowder? I'm trying real hard to take you seriously but between Okafor can be better than Porzingis and this it seems futile.

Looking like Green will cost about 10 million. He's not the perimeter shooter Crowder is, right now, but he only added that shot to his game this year. It could keep getting better. He can guard 3's, 4's and 5's - here's a clip of him swatting Karl-Anthony Towns:

Watch on YouTube

A good team defender, on pick and rolls. Adds some toughness. Fits/helps our front court, can be a small-ball center. He might be better than Jae, to be honest. Strong. Dunks a lot. Would give us a different element. Pretty good rebounder.

You do Crowder for Green, and you use the half-MLE on someone like Baynes to give spot minutes as a physical guy, that lets us give teams a different look, with a couple of enforcers.

And the 2009 Rookie of the Year was Tyreke Evans, who beat out Steph Curry and Brandon Jennings. James Harden and Demar Derozan got no votes. You're talking about 21 year old players - Porzingis overachieved based on his hype, and Okafor was overhyped and now is underrated as a prospect - people are mad he isn't Karl-Anthony Towns. If the guy went 13th in the draft and showed that kind of scoring ability, he'd have a fanbase as attached to him as the Suns are to Devin Booker, whose defense is awful but presumably able to get fixed.

Worst-case is that Okafor is Michael Beasley, Stephon Marbury, just a volume scorer who can't do anything else. But there are only a dozen guys in the league with the kind of raw offensive ability he has.

I'm also not talking about trading what I would for Porzingis to get him - it'd be, like, Yabusele and a couple of our second-rounders - Bird, Allen, on 1-year deals, and Colangelo gets him off the roster.

And Porzingis isn't a sure thing. I also literally said that I didn't think Okafor would catch up with or pass Porzingis, but that it was possible he could. Strength may help his rebounding. He's working, by all accounts, on his D.

Like, what happened with the guy is clear - he was a go-to scorer in high school and college, never got asked to do anything else, never got taught anything else, and he got thrown into the deep end on a Philly team and couldn't stay above water - so suddenly the fact he was never taught or trained to be anything but a tunnel-vision buckets guy is exposed. So he's much more of a project than anyone thought - but it's not fair to blame him, or to circumscribe his career arc, because scouts fell in love with him from afar.

He's obviously a slow learner - but why does Porzingis get so much more hype than Okafor? Porzingis has to change his body, too - he doesn't rebound well for his size, either. He's got a three-point shot and can get blocks, but he's got a ways to go learning defense, too. Who knows what he'd have looked like on the Sixers the last few years?

[ConstableGeneva]

Sign Dedmon or Baynes to the room exception. Get another ballhandling vet for emergency depth. Don't care where Jackson and Mickey end up. Shooting is wack, but what you gonna do -- gotta play the young guys and hope they improve. Call it a summer.

Thomas / Smart / vet
Hayward / Rozier / Nader
Crowder / Brown / Ojeleye
Morris / Tatum / Theis
Horford / Dedmon / Zizic

Two-way: Kadeem Allen, Jabari Bird

[Baller1234a]

Sign Dedmon or Baynes to the room exception. Get another ballhandling vet for emergency depth. Don't care where Jackson and Mickey end up. Shooting is wack, but what you gonna do -- gotta play the young guys and hope they improve. Call it a summer.

Thomas / Smart / vet
Hayward / Rozier / Nader
Crowder / Brown / Ojeleye
Morris / Tatum / Theis
Horford / Dedmon / Zizic

Two-way: Kadeem Allen, Jabari Bird

Man have we improved this season

[CelticFaninLBC]

Sign Dedmon or Baynes to the room exception. Get another ballhandling vet for emergency depth. Don't care where Jackson and Mickey end up. Shooting is wack, but what you gonna do -- gotta play the young guys and hope they improve. Call it a summer.

Thomas / Smart / vet
Hayward / Rozier / Nader
Crowder / Brown / Ojeleye
Morris / Tatum / Theis
Horford / Dedmon / Zizic

Two-way: Kadeem Allen, Jabari Bird

They can fit Yabs into the cap space right?

[ConstableGeneva]

Sign Dedmon or Baynes to the room exception. Get another ballhandling vet for emergency depth. Don't care where Jackson and Mickey end up. Shooting is wack, but what you gonna do -- gotta play the young guys and hope they improve. Call it a summer.

Thomas / Smart / vet
Hayward / Rozier / Nader
Crowder / Brown / Ojeleye
Morris / Tatum / Theis
Horford / Dedmon / Zizic

Two-way: Kadeem Allen, Jabari Bird

They can fit Yabs into the cap space right?

Yeah, that's a mistake on my part. Yabs likely won't be stashed again.

[AlCelticFan]

The only way we should add another "star" is if we can do it w/o giving up Jaylen, Tatum, or 2018 BK pick. Those 3 are completely untouchable in my eyes. I would even put Smart in there too, but don't want to ruffle some people on this forum's feathers.

Sorry AD, can't make the trade if it includes Marcus Smart. No can do!

[Brad is God]

The only way we should add another "star" is if we can do it w/o giving up Jaylen, Tatum, or 2018 BK pick. Those 3 are completely untouchable in my eyes. I would even put Smart in there too, but don't want to ruffle some people on this forum's feathers.

Sorry AD, can't make the trade if it includes Marcus Smart. No can do!

I put "star" in quotes. If I were talking about AD, or any of the other completely unrealistic options that come up around here I wouldn't have.

[AlCelticFan]

The only way we should add another "star" is if we can do it w/o giving up Jaylen, Tatum, or 2018 BK pick. Those 3 are completely untouchable in my eyes. I would even put Smart in there too, but don't want to ruffle some people on this forum's feathers.

Sorry AD, can't make the trade if it includes Marcus Smart. No can do!

I put "star" in quotes. If I were talking about AD, or any of the other completely unrealistic options that come up around here I wouldn't have.

Hmmm.... quotes don't mean what you think they mean.

[robdog_5]

I'm fascinated to see how Brad continues to develop guys like Tatum and Brown on this roster.

[Darth Celtic]

Hoping we can get Jam Green in a sign and trade, for Crowder.

So you want to pay more for player who is actually similar to or worse than Crowder? I'm trying real hard to take you seriously but between Okafor can be better than Porzingis and this it seems futile.

Looking like Green will cost about 10 million. He's not the perimeter shooter Crowder is, right now, but he only added that shot to his game this year. It could keep getting better. He can guard 3's, 4's and 5's - here's a clip of him swatting Karl-Anthony Towns:

Watch on YouTube

A good team defender, on pick and rolls. Adds some toughness. Fits/helps our front court, can be a small-ball center. He might be better than Jae, to be honest. Strong. Dunks a lot. Would give us a different element. Pretty good rebounder.

You do Crowder for Green, and you use the half-MLE on someone like Baynes to give spot minutes as a physical guy, that lets us give teams a different look, with a couple of enforcers.

And the 2009 Rookie of the Year was Tyreke Evans, who beat out Steph Curry and Brandon Jennings. James Harden and Demar Derozan got no votes. You're talking about 21 year old players - Porzingis overachieved based on his hype, and Okafor was overhyped and now is underrated as a prospect - people are mad he isn't Karl-Anthony Towns. If the guy went 13th in the draft and showed that kind of scoring ability, he'd have a fanbase as attached to him as the Suns are to Devin Booker, whose defense is awful but presumably able to get fixed.

Worst-case is that Okafor is Michael Beasley, Stephon Marbury, just a volume scorer who can't do anything else. But there are only a dozen guys in the league with the kind of raw offensive ability he has.

I'm also not talking about trading what I would for Porzingis to get him - it'd be, like, Yabusele and a couple of our second-rounders - Bird, Allen, on 1-year deals, and Colangelo gets him off the roster.

And Porzingis isn't a sure thing. I also literally said that I didn't think Okafor would catch up with or pass Porzingis, but that it was possible he could. Strength may help his rebounding. He's working, by all accounts, on his D.

Like, what happened with the guy is clear - he was a go-to scorer in high school and college, never got asked to do anything else, never got taught anything else, and he got thrown into the deep end on a Philly team and couldn't stay above water - so suddenly the fact he was never taught or trained to be anything but a tunnel-vision buckets guy is exposed. So he's much more of a project than anyone thought - but it's not fair to blame him, or to circumscribe his career arc, because scouts fell in love with him from afar.

He's obviously a slow learner - but why does Porzingis get so much more hype than Okafor? Porzingis has to change his body, too - he doesn't rebound well for his size, either. He's got a three-point shot and can get blocks, but he's got a ways to go learning defense, too. Who knows what he'd have looked like on the Sixers the last few years?

I understand everything you are saying, but you just need to realize 1 thing. Okafor is terrible at the game of basketball. he'd be great at a game of 1 on 1 I guess against guys that have 0 offensive game like Greg Ostertag. (not prime, like current old retired Ostertag).

[ajones9219]

Got baynes. Now I could go for bringing back green and rolling. That roster is balanced, deep, and is light years better at shooting

[165bows]

Seems to cover everyone but Smart. He's the only tradeable contract left.

I suppose they could turn around and trade Morris as well.

Might not want to praise him too much if they're planning on extending him in the fall. He was linked with the Knicks, though. And now they will be unable to get a pg for anything other than small $ based on the THJ offer sheet that will not get matched. Just think he's too damn good and Willy HG is a blah prospect that will not be able to play in the later parts of the playoffs.

Never got to praise you for being on the Hayward trail in about 2014. Big week!

Ha yeah that last bit is worth revisiting, I'm pretty sure there was quite a bit of discussion of whether Hayward was an upgrade on Jeff Green around that time.

Heavy favorite that he was not worth max money at that time. And that was before max contracts got really big.

[brackdan70]

Under-rated aspect of the Mook deal...3.8 million trade exception. Might very well go unused but it could be useful.

edit: never mind it has to be renounced to sign Hayward.

[FlatearthZorro]

Celtics are not getting a star without the 2018 Nets pick, 2018 Lakers Pick, Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum being involved. These are the celtics main assets.

U dont trade this package unless its KD/LeBron/AD/Curry.. I wouldnt trade it for Westbrook tbh.

[ConstableGeneva]

Under-rated aspect of the Mook deal...3.8 million trade exception. Might very well go unused but it could be useful.

It's gonna get renounced along with the other exceptions (except room and vet min) once we sign Hayward into cap space.

[brackdan70]

Under-rated aspect of the Mook deal...3.8 million trade exception. Might very well go unused but it could be useful.

It's gonna get renounced along with the other exceptions (except room and vet min) once we sign Hayward into cap space.

Oh yes, good point. never mind, scratch that from the record.

[Parliament10]

Under-rated aspect of the Mook deal...3.8 million trade exception. Might very well go unused but it could be useful.

It's gonna get renounced along with the other exceptions (except room and vet min) once we sign Hayward into cap space.

Oh yes, good point. never mind, scratch that from the record.

Do we have to Renounce it? Since it came after the Hayward Trade (Technically/Kinda).