2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[MrDollarBills]

KCP with Rich Paul in his ear will feel "slighted" he didnt get a max deal. Prolly come to the conclusion that he didnt put up enough stats, thus will proceed to chuck.

This was a guy who felt "insulted" by a 5 year 80 mil extension offer. He's likely gonna get shorter years around the same or less per annum. It's not a good indicator for the future attitude wise imo.

Also DLo shared the backcourt with Clarkson and Lou Will alot... results were not pretty. DLo was actually alot better playing with the dude he "betrayed" in Nick Young, cuz he's a real shooter unlike the aforementioned chuckers.

Conjecture. Everything you state runs opposite of what Detroit fans have said about the guy. I'll have to take their word as more credible about his attitude and how he'd fit here.

[Karate Diop]

Cap space and expiring contracts don't have the same value, that's all I'm getting at.

[Prokorov]

Cap space and expiring contracts don't have the same value, that's all I'm getting at.

it depends when you trade them... at the deadline cap space and an expiring are very similar in value, since you wont be able to use that money on free agents until the offseason anyhow

in the offseason, cap space has more value

[Prokorov]

its REALLY quiet on the KCP front.

not sure if thats bad or means marks is about to strike... any chatter on twitter?

[ChokeFasncists]

I really dont see the team going after KCP unless they can get him on a bargain contract. I also feel getting him will derail DLo's and Levert's development, cuz he's gonna demand alot of touches as im sure he feels he'll be "the man" of this squad and want to put up up stats for his next deal. I saw first hand what "up and coming" players who want shots and shine do to a team (the LAL, Clarkson, Randle, Lou Will), it was UGLY and it really screwed over the development of younger players and got alot of people playing the wrong and selfish way.

I'm just not seeing as much upside with KCP unless its a short term deal. In which case the next 2 years are likely punts anyway, so KCP on a short 2 year deal wont affect long term planning much and could be moved for value next year if so desired.

How will KCP derail Russel's development? they'll be starting in the backcourt together.

Ummm........

Here's a good question:

...start?

I am flabbergasted by these long winded arguments over why DAR or Lin MUST start.

[ChokeFasncists]

its REALLY quiet on the KCP front.

not sure if thats bad or means marks is about to strike... any chatter on twitter?

Is it Rich Paul wanting a max or near max?

Or the Marksman playing hardball on his target?

Or it's cuz the money is still tied up in DC?

Or it's just cuz it's Sunday?

Can't wait.

[ChokeFasncists]

Sunovabitch. CJ Miles gets 3 years 25 mil in his S&T.

Damn Ujiri got a damn steal. Why couldnt Marks get in on that instead. Thats a helluva bargain contract for a 30 year old who shot 40+% from 3pt and is a good defender.

Makes the Carroll trade a bit... disappointing, value wise.

Carroll + CoJO + TOR 1st + LAL/ORL 2nd for CJ Miles + JHam + about 15 mil extra cap space this and next year

Ujiri doing work

I guess it's cuz we want either young players or picks.

[ChokeFasncists]

Skimming this thread makes it pretty clear ya'll don't know KCP very well.

Dude is not at all selfish on the floor and is a good (but quiet) locker room guy who works his ass off. If anything, his problem is he's content with quietly blending in a little too much.

With the Spurs culture thing, some here have the propensity to be mad at players that might have a certain desire than might not mesh perfectly well with the teams' interest, saying, "if so and so is like this, he can STFU or GTFO."

This nonsense is 100% Rich Paul.

Seems like he's in deep crap. Did he try to get too tough in the negotiation? I can imagine something like this:

RP: We demand this
DP: No, that's too much
RP: f u!
DP: f u too!
RP: Well, he's an RFA, teams are gonna overpay to try to get him, cya!
DP: f u, we will make him a UFA, no more overpay, no more leverage for you.
RP: O crap.......

Now he might have to take a one year deal or take a smaller deal than the extension you guys gave him.

Anyways, any info on him will be welcomed.

BTW... is the Otto Porter money freed up yet to offer up elsewhere? I'm very curious as to how this plays out.

We could use it verbally, but on paper the longest it could take would be two days for the player to report and two more days for the physical to come out.

[Prokorov]

i dont see anything to suggest KCP has bad charecter. one dui doesnt convince me of that. he seems to work hard and is a good soldier. if marks is after him his charecter is probably pretty solid

[TheBrooklynKidd]

i dont see anything to suggest KCP has bad charecter. one dui doesnt convince me of that. he seems to work hard and is a good soldier. if marks is after him his charecter is probably pretty solid

This plus he blew a .08 exactly not like he was blackout drunk and driving.

[7r5ur]

Seems like he's in deep crap. Did he try to get too tough in the negotiation? I can imagine something like this:

RP: We demand this
DP: No, that's too much
RP: f u!
DP: f u too!
RP: Well, he's an RFA, teams are gonna overpay to try to get him, cya!
DP: f u, we will make him a UFA, no more overpay, no more leverage for you.
RP: O crap.......

Now he might have to take a one year deal or take a smaller deal than the extension you guys gave him.

Anyways, any info on him will be welcomed.

Yeah, the Pistons looked to be in a very bad bargaining spot, so I think KCP's camp figured the 5/80 offer would always be on the table, even if they wanted to wait out the Porter situation and try to get something bigger from BKN. I guess they didn't plan for the Bradley deal!

[Keith Van Horn]

I expect KCP's agent is probably playing hardball now, holding out for more, while the market has dried up on big deals and the Nets are really the only team left that can offer him a decent deal... and a decent role on the team. His agent should nut up, accept the 4/60, and be happy he's a goddamn millionaire b/c of guys like KCP.

We'll probably hear stuff as the week progresses.

[JoseRizal]

its REALLY quiet on the KCP front.

not sure if thats bad or means marks is about to strike... any chatter on twitter?

Read on Twitter

Nothing concrete. Just a guess...

[steady]

its REALLY quiet on the KCP front.

not sure if thats bad or means marks is about to strike... any chatter on twitter?

Read on Twitter

Nothing concrete. Just a guess...

That is a beautiful S Marks statement saying nothing while appearing to say something

But seriously I think no news is probably good news bc if negotiations were at an end we would be hearing an announcement that KCP was going to Lakers

KCP probably wants t come to BKN - BKN wants him, but they are having a major league wrestling match over the terms - which may or may not end with an agreement

[MrDollarBills]

I don't think we should offer KCP anything north of 18.5

[DartboardT]

you mean on a one-year? I mean, I guess 2/$37M on a player option is the other alternative, but that's not very favorable terms for the Nets...and comparing against what Marksman just did...

[Papi_swav]

So who is going to get cut if we get KCP? we have a glut of guards and were short on centers now so someone has to go. My guess and hope is Kilpatrick or joe Harris.

[steady]

So who is going to get cut if we get KCP? we have a glut of guards and were short on centers now so someone has to go. My guess and hope is Kilpatrick or joe Harris.

I think Skil would get traded -- he's made a little bit of name for himself around League with his scoring. None of these calls will be easy though

[hood30]

Marks should pass on KCP and save the money for a salary dumb + draft pick that may open up trading deadline.

He should only use some of that remaining cap space to upgrade at PF...I don't think KCP is an upgrade what they currently have, so making him the highest paid guy here based on last year stats is not good.

[Paradise]

Marks should pass on KCP and save the money for a salary dumb + draft pick that may open up trading deadline.

He should only use some of that remaining cap space to upgrade at PF...I don't think KCP is an upgrade what they currently have, so making him the highest paid guy here based on last year stats is not good.

KCP is a clear upgrade from Kilpatrick, Joe Harris. I don't mind the idea of acquiring more picks but we also need guys who can improve and help us out right now. KCP/LeVert/RHJ/Carroll/Lin/Whitehead/SD
is a rotation of scrappy defensive minded guards and forwards that can also shoot it averagely.

At the end of the day, our offense will live and die with what D'Lo does but it's really about setting up an athletic lengthy team of defenders and KCP is by far the best available and we aren't likely to pry any RFAs next summer without a similar overpay strategy. The only reason why KCP is so attractive to us is because he's UFA and don't necessarily have to overpay and it's a much healthier contract than a poison pill deal.


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