Markelle Fultz Discussion

[CoreyGallagher]

I just get a Wiggins-like vibe with Fultz. I always ask the question if you aren't scoring what else are you doing to help the team? And even if you are scoring what else are you doing? Fultz can score. His defense is substandard. He hasn't rebounded great but he's a guard so I don't think that's a big deal. He has had some nice passes but he's nothing like Ball passing the ball. Ball passes people open. Fultz passes just to pass or if his shot is taken away. I wonder if he has the worst +/- in Summer League.

Simmons passes well. He plays adequate defense too. He also rebounds well.
Embiid plays great defense and rebounds.
Covington plays great defense.
Saric rebounds and brings toughness
Redick plays good team defense.

What does Fultz do well other than score? Think about that.

Tarczewski had a worse +/-, he had a 101 point split, that's because even when Fultz didn't play our starters still got **** on with him in. Poy was right there with Fultz as well, 79 split.

We obviously disagree with what we saw in these SL games and the potential he has. We'll just have to wait and see.

[TeamHigh]

I just get a Wiggins-like vibe with Fultz. I always ask the question if you aren't scoring what else are you doing to help the team? And even if you are scoring what else are you doing? Fultz can score. His defense is substandard. He hasn't rebounded great but he's a guard so I don't think that's a big deal. He has had some nice passes but he's nothing like Ball passing the ball. Ball passes people open. Fultz passes just to pass or if his shot is taken away. I wonder if he has the worst +/- in Summer League.

Wiggins's issue isn't that he "only scores", it's that he scores inefficiently, mostly off of long 2s because he doesn't have the ball handling to get to the basket consistently and lacks elite touch from 3. If Fultz only scores by taking a lot of the categorically most inefficient kind of shots, then you can throw the Wiggins comparisons.

Fultz passes just fine. You don't average close to 6 APG in college with a **** team if you can't pass. And we have no idea if Simmons "plays adequate defense" yet.

[JojoSlimbiid]

Welp guys fold up the tent. 2 and a half games of summer league and we drafted the PG version of Wiggins. No need to see things play out. His +/- is bad he clearly isn't anything good...he can't shoot 2-15 and just hand off the ball to Brandon Ingram...must be a bad player. We messed up boys.

[Sixerscan]

I definitely prefer this Fultz nitpicking to people trying to convince me Okafor is good.

[JojoSlimbiid]

To be fair I'm not even trying to be a part of an environment where you can't say anything bad about Fultz without people jumping down your throat, but jeez man. Some of the stuff I'm reading is just wild and it's said with such conviction that I find myself compelled to respond.

[phillynative]

I think Fultz can become a very good NBA player, but his lack of a motor and lack of overall passion is somewhat of a cause for concern. It often seems like he's not all that enthused while playing...almost like he'd rather be elsewhere. Also, I'm a bit worried about his lack of explosiveness as he seems to have trouble getting by defenders, ends up settling for a jumper, and doesn't seem to attack the basket strong on drive (he goes up really weak, imo).

If I'm BC, I'd make sure Fultz is put on a strict diet and gets in better condition. If you look at his game film from high school and college, he seems to have a lower bodyfat level than he has now.

As someone who is very critical of Fultz as I am, I think people are reading too much into his lack of motor. That's just his look and demeanor. I already know he's going to drive Philly fans crazy and they will be calling up the stations saying he looks like he doesn't care. Everyone has differnt looks and demenors. Everyone just needs to accept he will always have the same expression as droopy dog. That's just him. Take a look for yourself.

[PhilasFinest]

I just get a Wiggins-like vibe with Fultz. I always ask the question if you aren't scoring what else are you doing to help the team? And even if you are scoring what else are you doing? Fultz can score. His defense is substandard. He hasn't rebounded great but he's a guard so I don't think that's a big deal. He has had some nice passes but he's nothing like Ball passing the ball. Ball passes people open. Fultz passes just to pass or if his shot is taken away. I wonder if he has the worst +/- in Summer League.

Simmons passes well. He plays adequate defense too. He also rebounds well.
Embiid plays great defense and rebounds.
Covington plays great defense.
Saric rebounds and brings toughness
Redick plays good team defense.

What does Fultz do well other than score? Think about that.

You do realize he's 19 and hasn't played an NBA game yet right?

[Embiid P]

If you guys wanted a vocal leader, BC could have always just drafted LaVar...errr...Lonzo Ball instead. What could possibly go wrong?

But seriously, stuff like this is the reason why we can't have nice things in Philly.

[PhilasFinest]

I definitely prefer this Fultz nitpicking to people trying to convince me Okafor is good.

Probably the same people though.....

[joyeuxnoel]

who is uglier, okafor or fultz?

seriously though fultz probably gets some hate due to his droopy face

[PhilasFinest]

Boy, this threads really went downhill quickly.

[Kirk Van Houten]

We finally drafted for fit as opposed to best player and it has a few of you confused. We have no need for ball (poor mans Simmons) and as for Tatum he gets cancelled out by Simmons as he is a ball handling wing. Fultz is perfect here I can see him becoming like CJ in Portland and be our secondary scorer (Jo is no.1) & secondary facilitator (Ben no.1)


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[freshie2]

Tatum really doesn't have a redundancy on the roster as he can shoot/score at a very high level, so that would have been OK at 3, but really Fultz is similar in his ability to shoot/score...this thread will look very silly (if it doesn't already max out that category) in a year or two.

[76ciology]

Objectively..

IN TWO GAMES

Fultz lacks:
Rebounds
Assists
Steals
Blocks
Exposure on transition offense

Basically, if he can put up high deflection numbers, get boards and push the ball more he'll get better numbers and be a more impact player. Almost similar with Wiggins.

The big difference IMO is Fultz has shown ability to be an impact player and has better IQ. Ive seen him make deflections, boards and assists. And most importantly make good reads.

He plays a very Wiggins like role in SL. Make tough halfcourt baskets & score in transition. Roll men sucks, although I think he'll get easy assists by lobbing it to bolden. He has like 3-4 assists wasted on our shooters missing open shots.

Defensively, I don't see any problem. Hell after how he injured his ankle, some people even say that he should limit his appetite shot blocking. I suggest you watch the tape and you can see he makes good reads with his rotations and sometimes direct switches. What he needs to improve is his steals numbers.

If you ask me, he'll be a fallout out of our team in terms of role. Ben Simmons will do most of the intangibles that may eat up Fultz stats. But then Fultz will focus on perimeter scoring

And thats why you see us letting Fultz have a feel of his role. BE A PURE SCORER LET BEN&BIID WORRY ABOUT MOST OF THE INTANGIBLES.

Ironically.. That could be why Wiggins plays his current style. With Rubio&KAT eating up most of the intangibles.

[Chris76]

Tatum really doesn't have a redundancy on the roster as he can shoot/score at a very high level, so that would have been OK at 3, but really Fultz is similar in his ability to shoot/score...this thread will look very silly (if it doesn't already max out that category) in a year or two.

Tatum does look good, however on defense we needed a player to guard PGs. Fultz fits the bill. It may take some time for him to guard the elite PGs well, but he seems like he could, eventually. Anyway, Fultz looks to be a sharp shooter and he and Redick should see many open 3s with Embiid and Simmons forcing doubles driving to the rim.

[76ciology]

My issue with Tatum is he doesn't create plays for his teammates on offense, takes too much mid range and challenge shots. Unassisted basket is as good as a bad shot in today's basketball.

Pretty much like Derozan on offense. And if you let him play with better offensive players like Hayward and IT, how much ISO JAY exposure you want on your offense?

*trademark ISO JAY

[Sixersftw]

This is better than the Okafor true believers but not by much.

[Ericb5]

I've said it before, I think Fultz will be a project like Ingram. I don't think he will be a winning basketball player for his first 1-2 years. He will be 19 for the entirety of his rookie season. I'll be worried if he has a horrible +/- in next year's summer league.

I fundamentally reject the utility of advanced stats in a summer league game, but let's not forget that Fultz is the best player on the floor in the summer, but is likely to be 3-5th best player on the team this year.

Everyone playing with franchise players like Embiid and Simmons will be a heck of a lot more efficient than when they play playground like ball in the summer league.

Fultz has looked excellent this summer.


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[Ericb5]

I think Fultz can become a very good NBA player, but his lack of a motor and lack of overall passion is somewhat of a cause for concern. It often seems like he's not all that enthused while playing...almost like he'd rather be elsewhere. Also, I'm a bit worried about his lack of explosiveness as he seems to have trouble getting by defenders, ends up settling for a jumper, and doesn't seem to attack the basket strong on drive (he goes up really weak, imo).

If I'm BC, I'd make sure Fultz is put on a strict diet and gets in better condition. If you look at his game film from high school and college, he seems to have a lower bodyfat level than he has now.

Lack of a motor?

Jeez, that is unfair to the kid.


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[Ericb5]

I just get a Wiggins-like vibe with Fultz. I always ask the question if you aren't scoring what else are you doing to help the team? And even if you are scoring what else are you doing? Fultz can score. His defense is substandard. He hasn't rebounded great but he's a guard so I don't think that's a big deal. He has had some nice passes but he's nothing like Ball passing the ball. Ball passes people open. Fultz passes just to pass or if his shot is taken away. I wonder if he has the worst +/- in Summer League.

Simmons passes well. He plays adequate defense too. He also rebounds well.
Embiid plays great defense and rebounds.
Covington plays great defense.
Saric rebounds and brings toughness
Redick plays good team defense.

What does Fultz do well other than score? Think about that.

Undeniably, Fultz is a scorer, a shooter, a passer, and a ball handler. Wiggins is only a scorer, of those things.

Whether or not he becomes a good defender is an open question, but offensively he has a lot of skills.

I love the kid's attitude, and demeanor.


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