OFFICIAL: Welcome BACK to New York THJr (4/71m)

[god shammgod]

actually, looking at the numbers, he had one really bad month, december. that month is bringing him down. you take away that month and he shot pretty well all year.

[god shammgod]

was he hurt at all in that month ? anyone know ? that's a hell of a drop off to happen naturally.

[F N 11]

Tim got knicks logo as his wallpaper on Twitter

https://twitter.com/T_HardJR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[SARGO127]

What # will he wear?

[Fury]

was he hurt at all in that month ? anyone know ? that's a hell of a drop off to happen naturally.

PEDs cycling off

[F N 11]

was he hurt at all in that month ? anyone know ? that's a hell of a drop off to happen naturally.

That was the month everyone like damn he trash.

[shtolky]

The Curry example is irrelevant because Curry was an established player at the time. Not only that, the ankle injury was largely overblown as it only cost Curry one partial season in his first four years. Curry played 78 games the season before he got his contract so I'm fairly certain dude was going to get paid one way or another. It wasn't nearly the same risk THJR is.

Tell me why I shouldn't believe the 4/48? No one has come out to discredit it? Atlanta notified the Knicks before the 48 hours were up so it doesn't appear they were having difficulties determining whether they should match. At the end of the day we are all fans, so we rely on what's put out there by the "experts". I'm fairly confident if I search through your post history you have used these say sources to bolster your opinion.

Lastly, just because other teams hand out stupid contracts doesn't mean we should. Hell half the teams that are offering those crappy deals are mediocre and have no chance at the finals. Do you think THJR is going to keep KP from leaving NY? I mean WB couldn't keep KD from GS.

Curry is very relevant because despite him having success there were real concerns about his health. He had something like 5 ankle sprains after his first ankle procedure. It was a huge concern and the Warriors were baffled as to why he kept hurting his ankle. You're missing the point though. The point is that 4/40 for Curry NOW seems like a ridiculous, absurd bargain, but at the time there were real questions, with many saying that GS gave him too many years. Just because at the time of a contract it's perceived to be a negative doesn't mean it can't turn into a positive. That is all.

And the 4/48, I mean then you can just believe literally everything you read simply because nobody has discredited it. Also, feel free to look through my posts, but I think you'll find I am actually (usually) very skeptical of "experts" and reports that claim something. I just don't like hearsay and rumors, that's just me. Again I am sure you will find something, but I think I am known as a skeptic of reports. It's just too easy for a writer to say something and have it be believed. Maybe ATL had a hard price they weren't going to go over, maybe not. Who knows, but not every team takes the full allotted time.

And lastly, I never said those other contracts were stupid. Everything is relative, and the market dictates that if you want a young, good SG, you have to pay. That's what the increased cap and market have dictated. My main point that seems to be lost is that people are giving this horrible mentions as a contract without him even playing a game for us. It's as if those posters are barred from praising Tim because his contract will ALWAYS suck, even though he hasn't played a second for us yet.

So you're saying overpaying THJR is worth the risk because he could make the contract look like bargain in the future? I don't think Knicks are in a position to be taken those sorts of gambles.

How much of a contract should be based on current performance vs what you think a player may become?

Not only that, I'm pretty sure THJRs shooting percentages dropped from January on. Also pretty sure his #'s declined in games he started in. Is it possible he did most of his damage against reserve players? I'll be honest, I only watched maybe 2-3 Hawk games last season so maybe I missed out on Timmy's improvement. Obviously I hope for the best and it's nice to have another young player on the roster with some potential but IMO Timmy doesn't change much in the win column.

Nah, I am not saying that. I am just saying that it's too early to judge the contract. It's certainly a risk, but a calculated risk. Did we overpay to get him now, probably. But to argue that the contract is always going to be terrible is silly, as I've said over and over. People saying if he becomes his father it's still an overpay is insane to me. Maybe those people are joking, I don't know, but you have to factor in what he can become as opposed to what he's been.

You do make a good point regarding current performance vs. future performance, which is why I like the risk, probably because I am on the side of the argument that thinks he will be good here. All-star, doubtful. Solid 3rd option, absolutely. You're mistaken about his shooting percentages, they pretty much went up every month from December on. There is like a 50 game sample size of him shooting rather well. He topped out at 50/44/77 in April. He does that here and the contract is worth it.

[god shammgod]

now that i'm looking at the game log. it's really just 4 terrible games.
he went 1-5 and 3-11 on a back to back
then he went 0-6 and 1-5 two games in a row on the road

[F N 11]

He hit career high 149 threes in only 27 min per game. Also got to the line a career high 214 times. I'm starting to seriously like the upside of Tim. 35 mpg he can be a 20 4 4 guy. this is seriously his time. This is also Kp's time. The type of culture we are building I really like. Hard working guys.

at least this will be a year for the young guns to show what they are made of. Opportunity is key. With Melo gone there will be lots of opportunity to really leave a mark on the league.

[Crunchknicks1]

So no press conference? Also will lee start with hardaway? I need answers lol

[CharlesOakley]

The real upside here is we can develop 4 or 5 young players and keep them together for a couple of years. The best way to develop young talent is to give them meaningful minutes and allow them to play through mistakes. The best way to get a low pick is to let these guys run.

[prolific96]

Curry is very relevant because despite him having success there were real concerns about his health. He had something like 5 ankle sprains after his first ankle procedure. It was a huge concern and the Warriors were baffled as to why he kept hurting his ankle. You're missing the point though. The point is that 4/40 for Curry NOW seems like a ridiculous, absurd bargain, but at the time there were real questions, with many saying that GS gave him too many years. Just because at the time of a contract it's perceived to be a negative doesn't mean it can't turn into a positive. That is all.

And the 4/48, I mean then you can just believe literally everything you read simply because nobody has discredited it. Also, feel free to look through my posts, but I think you'll find I am actually (usually) very skeptical of "experts" and reports that claim something. I just don't like hearsay and rumors, that's just me. Again I am sure you will find something, but I think I am known as a skeptic of reports. It's just too easy for a writer to say something and have it be believed. Maybe ATL had a hard price they weren't going to go over, maybe not. Who knows, but not every team takes the full allotted time.

And lastly, I never said those other contracts were stupid. Everything is relative, and the market dictates that if you want a young, good SG, you have to pay. That's what the increased cap and market have dictated. My main point that seems to be lost is that people are giving this horrible mentions as a contract without him even playing a game for us. It's as if those posters are barred from praising Tim because his contract will ALWAYS suck, even though he hasn't played a second for us yet.

So you're saying overpaying THJR is worth the risk because he could make the contract look like bargain in the future? I don't think Knicks are in a position to be taken those sorts of gambles.

How much of a contract should be based on current performance vs what you think a player may become?

Not only that, I'm pretty sure THJRs shooting percentages dropped from January on. Also pretty sure his #'s declined in games he started in. Is it possible he did most of his damage against reserve players? I'll be honest, I only watched maybe 2-3 Hawk games last season so maybe I missed out on Timmy's improvement. Obviously I hope for the best and it's nice to have another young player on the roster with some potential but IMO Timmy doesn't change much in the win column.

Nah, I am not saying that. I am just saying that it's too early to judge the contract. It's certainly a risk, but a calculated risk. Did we overpay to get him now, probably. But to argue that the contract is always going to be terrible is silly, as I've said over and over. People saying if he becomes his father it's still an overpay is insane to me. Maybe those people are joking, I don't know, but you have to factor in what he can become as opposed to what he's been.

You do make a good point regarding current performance vs. future performance, which is why I like the risk, probably because I am on the side of the argument that thinks he will be good here. All-star, doubtful. Solid 3rd option, absolutely. You're mistaken about his shooting percentages, they pretty much went up every month from December on. There is like a 50 game sample size of him shooting rather well. He topped out at 50/44/77 in April. He does that here and the contract is worth it.

After looking back at his numbers I was wrong. His overal numbers didn't really decline as a starter but remained largely the same (which I admit is a good thing). As a starter his poinst per minute declined a smidge while his assists and rebounds increased ever so slightly.

THJR's 3pt shooting did decline from January on but he made up for it with a quality and consistent fg%.

I don't think anyone meant THJR would be overpaid if he became his Dad from a value standpoint. I think people are just saying if ATL hard maxed at 48 mill (speculative) the Knicks would be compensating THJR in excess of 20 million. Therefore always making it an overpay. But at the end the day its all hypothetical so whatever.

[K_ick_God]

So you're saying overpaying THJR is worth the risk because he could make the contract look like bargain in the future? I don't think Knicks are in a position to be taken those sorts of gambles.

How much of a contract should be based on current performance vs what you think a player may become?

Not only that, I'm pretty sure THJRs shooting percentages dropped from January on. Also pretty sure his #'s declined in games he started in. Is it possible he did most of his damage against reserve players? I'll be honest, I only watched maybe 2-3 Hawk games last season so maybe I missed out on Timmy's improvement. Obviously I hope for the best and it's nice to have another young player on the roster with some potential but IMO Timmy doesn't change much in the win column.

Nah, I am not saying that. I am just saying that it's too early to judge the contract. It's certainly a risk, but a calculated risk. Did we overpay to get him now, probably. But to argue that the contract is always going to be terrible is silly, as I've said over and over. People saying if he becomes his father it's still an overpay is insane to me. Maybe those people are joking, I don't know, but you have to factor in what he can become as opposed to what he's been.

You do make a good point regarding current performance vs. future performance, which is why I like the risk, probably because I am on the side of the argument that thinks he will be good here. All-star, doubtful. Solid 3rd option, absolutely. You're mistaken about his shooting percentages, they pretty much went up every month from December on. There is like a 50 game sample size of him shooting rather well. He topped out at 50/44/77 in April. He does that here and the contract is worth it.

After looking back at his numbers I was wrong. His overal numbers didn't really decline as a starter but remained largely the same (which I admit is a good thing). As a starter his poinst per minute declined a smidge while his assists and rebounds increased ever so slightly.

THJR's 3pt shooting did decline from January on but he made up for it with a quality and consistent fg%.

I don't think anyone meant THJR would be overpaid if he became his Dad from a value standpoint. I think people are just saying if ATL hard maxed at 48 mill (speculative) the Knicks would be compensating THJR in excess of 20 million. Therefore always making it an overpay. But at the end the day its all hypothetical so whatever.

I'm not a wiz with numbers but that's only a bit more than $5M per year, so since the MLE is more than that much each year now, are you really saving yourself cap room? Obviously it's about saving incrementally on each contract, to the point where your cap room adds up. But at least in this specific way, if you're over the cap, being at least $5M more over the cap shouldn't matter because the MLE is like $8M per year.

Again, not that confident in my analysis here. And if you save $3M-$5M on 12 contracts, now you've got a lot of room saved, in theory.

[RaZzMaTaZz]

Is this press conference happening or what? lol. They said Monday afternoon and its already almost 2 and no updates from twitter.

[thebuzzardman]

Is this press conference happening or what? lol. They said Monday afternoon and its already almost 2 and no updates from twitter.

Mills is making the unloyal clean out their desks. Holding things up at the presser.

[K_ick_God]

Tim a .352 career 3 point shooter and shot .357 from there last year. IMO he should cut down on the shot altogether and put more pressure on the D with his athleticism. That is to say, his skill set is more of a 3.

But that's not likely to happen officially or numerically, in volume. So if he could improve his 3 ball to 37% territory, then you can see him becoming a pretty efficient all-around scorer.

[Triple C]

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[K_ick_God]

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Still looking like LeBron. Cue It's Happening gif.

[Tron Carter]

tim looking kinda ocky

[Woodshed 1914]

You don't have tho look much further than the surface to tel that he's a much better player now. Opponents shot 49%(13-14) and 48% (14-15) against him during his time with the Knicks . That's just down right awful. In Atlanta it improved to 36%(15-16) which i thought was fools gold. But it was at 40% this past year at 27 minutes a game. He's very close to breaking through and becoming a two-way player and potential All-Star. Two things that stand in the way of that right now. His willingness to rebound and his ability to get to the Freethrow line ( only 2.7 FTA per game). He's trending up no doubt. I just hope that he reaches the next level quickly