2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[MrDollarBills]

KCP with Rich Paul in his ear will feel "slighted" he didnt get a max deal. Prolly come to the conclusion that he didnt put up enough stats, thus will proceed to chuck.

This was a guy who felt "insulted" by a 5 year 80 mil extension offer. He's likely gonna get shorter years around the same or less per annum. It's not a good indicator for the future attitude wise imo.

Also DLo shared the backcourt with Clarkson and Lou Will alot... results were not pretty. DLo was actually alot better playing with the dude he "betrayed" in Nick Young, cuz he's a real shooter unlike the aforementioned chuckers.

Conjecture. Everything you state runs opposite of what Detroit fans have said about the guy. I'll have to take their word as more credible about his attitude and how he'd fit here.

You keep saying Detroit fans love KCP but if you go to their forum they are calling him a brick machine and are not at all sad thats hes leaving.

The same ones that were saying that he was the only one who gave a damn on the court? I see a lot of mixed opinions, and a lot of frustration at how things have happened.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I would rather go after Noel than KCP.

KCP's shooting numbers really worry me. I just don't really trust the guy.

Russell
LeVert
RHJ
Noel
Allen

That's a better team.

That's a lineup with three guys who can't shoot 3 in it...

Maybe in three years, Noel and Allen could expand their range to the 3 pointer line, and buildup their body at the same time. Russell can improve his quickness. LeVert could build up his body. Now, imagine the chances those things happen at the same time.
Of all these, LeVert's improvement is the most expectable one. People shouldn't gamble on too many things happening at the same time.

Timberwolves and 76ers started to rebuild this way several years ago, how many top 5 drafts did they collect?

Nobody is saying thats the finished product. But thats a pretty good young starting spot.

I think that Russell and LeVert can both develop into good 3 point shooters.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Conjecture. Everything you state runs opposite of what Detroit fans have said about the guy. I'll have to take their word as more credible about his attitude and how he'd fit here.

You keep saying Detroit fans love KCP but if you go to their forum they are calling him a brick machine and are not at all sad thats hes leaving.

The same ones that were saying that he was the only one who gave a damn on the court? I see a lot of mixed opinions, and a lot of frustration at how things have happened.

Lol Im just saying that not a single one of them is sad that hes leaving. That alone is telling.

[antique0o0]

I would rather go after Noel than KCP.

KCP's shooting numbers really worry me. I just don't really trust the guy.

Russell
LeVert
RHJ
Noel
Allen

That's a better team.

That's a lineup with three guys who can't shoot 3 in it...

Maybe in three years, Noel and Allen could expand their range to the 3 pointer line, and buildup their body at the same time. Russell can improve his quickness. LeVert could build up his body. Now, imagine the chances those things happen at the same time.
Of all these, LeVert's improvement is the most expectable one. People shouldn't gamble on too many things happening at the same time.

Timberwolves and 76ers started to rebuild this way several years ago, how many top 5 drafts did they collect?

Nobody is saying thats the finished product. But thats a pretty good young starting spot.

I think that Russell and LeVert can both develop into good 3 point shooters.

Russell is already a good 3 pointer shooter. His issue was never his shooting.
LeVert's shooting isn't the sharpest, but he can shoot, you can see that from his shot. I have no worry at all about his shooting.

Out of curiosity, what kind of offense do you want to run with these 5?

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[TheBrooklynKidd]

bucks fan coming in peace

bucks send: rashad vaughn, john henson
bucks receive: jeremy lin

happy to include something else. what needs to be included?

I'd do:

Lin, Nicholson and a 2nd

For

Monroe and Vaughn

Hey man, i know u dont like Lin, but cmon now. At least get some decent value back before trading your starting PG. I know ya'll real hyped on a DLo/Levert backcourt, but theyre just not ready yet.

That's good value lol and he barely started in 30 games last season so I wouldn't really call him our starting pg. he might as well not have been on the team last year.

This gets Nicholson off our books and gives us an expiring and an asset. Plus it has the added benefit of clogging up the Bucks cap so we can pursue Jabari who is much better than Lin and played more games than him last season .

[vincecarter4pres]

The more I think about it, the less and less I want Marks to sign KCP to anything above $18 million a season and even that's too much. He's a decent young player, but the worst thing Marks could do is lock the team into some crazy 4/92 kind of deal for him. Ideally the market has completely dried up on him and his agent waves the white flag and takes something reasonable like 4/60.

[Rockice_24]

^^^ 4 for 64 works for both sides, anything more and we should move on.

[CalamityX12]

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I've been interested in him for the longest....

he disappointed me in the playoffs big time...

but I still favor signing him... due to poor performance he shouldn't get a big contract at all.

[Ror1997]

C.J Watson is a FA. Any interest in- nah I'm just playing **** CJ

[Keith Van Horn]

let's get it done on Pope, nothing more than 17/yr. After we're done with him, we can pick up our backup center... maybe Dedmon or Plumlee.

[Palmeirense]

Please don't go after Noel, i'm tired of pointless offers to RFA that will for sure end up being matched.

Try to nab KCP and be done with it. I'm ok with Mirotic as well, would be nice as a stretch 4.

[MGrand15]

Please don't go after Noel, i'm tired of pointless offers to RFA that will for sure end up being matched.

Try to nab KCP and be done with it. I'm ok with Mirotic as well, would be nice as a stretch 4.

I feel like Mirotic would be a similar situation. If we can get him to agree to a nice deal, the Bulls probably match. If not, were overpaying a guy who might not be good. I'm sure his agent is banking on us doing him a favor.

Wouldn't mind him on a reasonable deal though. He's been in messy situations his entire career.

[steady]

An SB Nation article today mentions Lakers and Hawks as possible landing places for KCP - who knows. It does not mention Nets

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nba/2017/7/10/15946708/kentavious-caldwell-pope-restricted-nba-free-agency

It also says this about KCP - kind of tracking a lot of our discussion here about him

"Take Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, for example. He’s in the news because he is no longer a restricted free agent. But he was only ever a restricted free agent in the first place because he’s a nice player with a couple of serious flaws, and no one can agree on what he’s worth. His camp surely thinks his defensive prowess is worthy of a fat extension. Doubters question his inability to create a shot and his inconsistent shooting stroke. There are questions. There is debate."

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[Vae Victus]

Ah i just remember another big reason why benching Lin is a bad idea.

Mozgov is an excellent PnR big. When he was healthy in DEN/CLE he was a dunking machine as he was throwing down lobs left and right. Last year i'm sure Cupcake and Lil Jimmy raced out to sign Mozgov in large part they wanted to give DLo a real PnR threat to lob to. Sadly things didnt work out well in large part due to DLo's own personal deficiencies in athleticism and him not being smooth on PnR despite having good court vision. I was warming up to Lonzo Ball cuz he's a PnR maestro back in UCLA and was sure a Lonzo/Mozgov connection could be formed and hopefully make Mozgov a useful player who can play up to his contract. Now its a Lonzo/BroLo combo.. that poor kid.

DLo has already proven to not be very good at PnR (he rated VERY low on it sadly) and thats what makes trading/benching LIn a bad idea. You lose the PnR aspect from the offense as its proven that DLo is subpar, Levert is raw, and KCP likey doesnt know how to run it well either since's mostly an off guard.

Having just 1 elite PnR guard will help open the offense and make Mozgov useful (whether to keep or trade later on for higher value) as well as helping Allen develop that part of the rolling game too, as well as showing the kids how to work the PnR properly. I think its really important to raising Mozgov's value by pairing him with an elite PnR ball handler, also it should help make Lin's impact greater by giving him a true rim running threat to either create open shots for himself or teammates.

BroLo simply put was a terrible fit for Kenny's system as he wasnt mobile enough to help his wings create space on the move. Good post up player and eventually 3 pt shooter, but with the new additions dont need a C who can shoot 3s as much as a C who can defend, rebound, set crushing picks, and rim run hard.

[DeRoma]

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These euros are Hilarious even Bojan was asking for that same price.

[13th Man]

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Sorry but not at this price point. I'd give him a shot at 12 -13M