Jesse Litsch or Gustavo Chacin

TR50 · Post #1 » by **TR50** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:18 pm

First off, yes this another post by yours truly about the Jays pitching

Anyways, after watching todays game, seeing Litsch play pretty damn good and him in his very young career i thought of something, he could be a damn fine #5 starter, and i think better than chacin.

After his rookie year, i never really liked Chacin, he never looked good, never looked comfortable, never looked confident. I'm getting the impression that he's falling into the Eric Hinske drawer without the ROY under his belt. I may not be an expert, just a casual fan really, but i think Litsch is better than Chacin right this moment and i think he will be the better pitcher, yes, after 5-6 Litsch starts i have come to that conclusion

Maybe i'm being a bit shrewd, or bitchy but Chacin has not showed me much after that rookie campaign. He gets injured, almost as frequently as burnett :-?

and never even looked that good on the mound. so inconsistent, just fed up with him really, i would prefer moving him into the pen in a long relief role.

well thats just a bit of a rant and food for thought, i'm pretty sure i've made it clear, id have Litsch over Chacin....heck i'd deal Chacin if we got anything decent back for him....what do you guys think?

EDIT: Spelling

beater97 · Post #2 » by **beater97** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:44 pm

Right now, it's really tough to call. I'm hoping they both become good pitchers but if I were to guess I would have to say Litsch becomes the better of the two.

evilRyu · Post #3 » by **evilRyu** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 11:37 pm

I take Litsch.. Chacin hasn't shown that much IMO, and pretty injury prone. I dont follow the Jays super extensively, but I can't recall Gus having the same type of game Jesse had last night

Post #4 » by **Geddy** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:26 am

When Chacin has a bad start, he isn't as bad as when Litsch is having a bad start from what we have seen so far. At this point in time, I'd take Gus.

Post #5 » by **OldNo7** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:31 am

rkid wrote:When Chacin has a bad start, he isn't as bad as when Litsch is having a bad start from what we have seen so far. At this point in time, I'd take Gus.

No offence meant to you, but Litsch is a rookie with, what?, 10 starts, who made the jump from AA right to the majors. His bad games should defintely be worse than someone in their 3rd season. The difference is, his good starts are better than Chacin's. As has been said in some other threads, I dont think its likely Chacin repeats his rookie season.

Post #6 » by **Geddy** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:38 am

whosthebosh? wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No offence meant to you, but Litsch is a rookie with, what?, 10 starts, who made the jump from AA right to the majors. His bad games should defintely be worse than someone in their 3rd season. The difference is, his good starts are better than Chacin's. As has been said in some other threads, I dont think its likely Chacin repeats his rookie season.

I agree with you all the way, but I was just going on what we have seen from both at this point in time (a few years of Chacin versus 8 starts from Litsch). Yeah that isn't the smartest way to go about it, but hey

But anyway I'd like to see both guys stay on the team somehow, just so we can see how they pan out.

stro4swift · Post #7 » by **stro4swift** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 3:54 am

I voted Litsch.

I want Chacin to get a shot back in the rotation, but to replace Towers...not Litsch.

TR50 · Post #8 » by **TR50** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:26 am

rkid wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I agree with you all the way, but I was just going on what we have seen from both at this point in time (a few years of Chacin versus 8 starts from Litsch). Yeah that isn't the smartest way to go about it, but hey

But anyway I'd like to see both guys stay on the team somehow, just so we can see how they pan out.

add me, Chacin is looking like an Eric Hinske V2

Raptorsrock · Post #9 » by **Raptorsrock** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:40 pm

To me Chacin's success has all been some and mirrors. A typical start for him is 5 innings, 5 runs, 115 pitches and it takes him 2.5 hours to do it. Of course the Jays will score 8 runs that game and make him a winner.

I don't know if Litsh is the answer or not, I do know that the answer is not Chacin

TR50 · Post #10 » by **TR50** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:44 pm

Raptorsrock wrote:To me Chacin's success has all been some and mirrors. A typical start for him is 5 innings, 5 runs, 115 pitches and it takes him 2.5 hours to do it. Of course the Jays will score 8 runs that game and make him a winner.

I don't know if Litsh is the answer or not, I do know that the answer is not Chacin

on top of that he'll feel some sort of tightness....

I can see Litsch be the answer to the #5 starter hole...i can certainly see him their

cb4_89 · Post #11 » by **cb4_89** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:46 pm

Chacin sucks. Hell be out of the league in a few years.

Ive been calling this for a few years already.

TR50 · Post #12 » by **TR50** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:22 pm

cb4_89 wrote:Chacin sucks. Hell be out of the league in a few years.

Ive been calling this for a few years already.

well ever since late last year and the beginning of this year...it's pretty obvious he really is not that good

Post #13 » by **Geddy** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:46 pm

I don't see why you guys are so hard on Chacin when so far in his career he has shown that he can be pretty good on the major league level. To say he sucks is over the top.

He went 9-4 last year in 17 starts and finished strong aside from a loss to the yankees in his final start. He beat Boston 4 times, and also had wins against other good teams. He did pretty good for a rookie starter in 2005 as well with an ERA under 4.

The only problem I see with him is his that he has been injured a lot so far. But once he gets healthy and rolling, he should be a pretty good #4 or #5 starter in the rotation.

evilRyu · Post #14 » by **evilRyu** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 10:29 pm

anyone else got caught typing "chasin" at first

Harold_and_Kumar · Post #15 » by **Harold_and_Kumar** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:12 pm

25-15

26 years old

his stuff isn't amazing, but it's hard to believe he couldn't be AT LEAST a 5. You can look at every other stat, but the one stat that usually has the largest hand in deciding CYs is the W/L ... and Chacin is for a 5, is outstanding.

Post #16 » by **OldNo7** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:45 am

Wins are an overrated stat.

More important is his 5.05 ERA last year, and 5.60 ERA this year; along with his 1.39 WHIP last year and ugly 1.47 WHIP this year.

Now, Litsch's WHIP is bad so far, but his 4.01 ERA isnt. He only has 8 career starts, never pitched a game of AAA ball, and is only 22.

cb4_89 · Post #17 » by **cb4_89** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:45 pm

toronto_raptors50 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

well ever since late last year and the beginning of this year...it's pretty obvious he really is not that good

I called it way before that. I called it after his rookie year when everyone was still on his nuts about being the 3rd starter. I have never been impressed by him. Ive taken a lot of heat for saying this from dumbass fans who think wins mean everything. It wasn't that hard to see when you watch him pitch as much as I did.

Post #18 » by **OldNo7** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:19 pm

OK cb4, you know everything, youre the absolute fan and no one can touch you - no need to get so agrumentative around here, this isnt the Raptors board.

stro4swift · Post #19 » by **stro4swift** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:46 pm

whosthebosh? wrote:OK cb4, you know everything, youre the absolute fan and no one can touch you - no need to get so agrumentative around here, this isnt the Raptors board.

TR50 · Post #20 » by **TR50** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 4:48 pm

cb4_89 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I called it way before that. I called it after his rookie year when everyone was still on his nuts about being the 3rd starter. I have never been impressed by him. Ive taken a lot of heat for saying this from dumbass fans who think wins mean everything. It wasn't that hard to see when you watch him pitch as much as I did.

i was trying to agree with you :roll: