Melo Trade Thread #? - We all know nothing (Upd PG 64 - Deal Happening Tonight/Tomorrow?)

[Marty McFly]

melo was unappreciated throughout his time here


you all deserve mediocrity

He already gave us that, rest assured.

[Appleshampoo]

Rarely is anyone actually insulting melo. Usually they are defending themselves for making a fair criticism. Everyone knows crap teams were put around melo. The hope is KP gets or can be what Bernard, Ewing and Melo never got.. it is time to move on

[3toheadmelo]

Read on Twitter

Never adjusted his game though.

I'm going to go make some tea and try to at least rest.

save me a cup

[blueNorange]

melo was unappreciated throughout his time here


you all deserve mediocrity

no he was heavily appreciated here, he was viewed as the savior. in fact the fans should've been on his case long ago when he got rid of d'antoni and lin in a sequence of 5 months, but they didn't because the fans loved melo. i loved melo, i'm banned from the general forum because i called out tsherkin on his bias bashing of melo. when trade was announced the knicks made amazing video packages hyping him.

so don't for one second make up a bs claim that the knicks didn't respect melo his entire team here because we did, we embraced him. the past few seasons however fans have been souring on him because they've had enough with the "excuses" and the fingers pointed elsewhere.

that and also his decline played a part, so the fans expressed their opinion on a diminishing player that still views himself as bigger than the team.

YOU deserved this mediocrity from the melo era, because turns out he's not batman or robin ... dude is straight up alfred.

at Alfred

I can't remember, weren't you pissed that we gave up so much for him? I was definitely at least torn about it, but we hadn't had a "superstar" for so long at that point that it was easy to buy in.

of course i was mad, it was too much. gallo/chandler(who played real well with amar'e) and mozgov too boot, especially at that time the knicks had zero center and mozgov was a life saver.

it was a dumb deal for a player who could've waited, but wanted his money.

[Knicksfan20]

Since when is being called a B- List an insult? That's pretty high up...A list celebs are people like J Lo, Matt Damon, Tom Cruise , Oprah , etc....She is no where near that level of fame. Lala is a C-B List celeb in terms of her status I the industry. Doesn't make you unsuccessful to be a C-B list celeb. Still quite an accomplishment.

[Appleshampoo]

You're insulting his wife but I need a timeout?

actually that was giving her a compliment.

Calling someone B-List is an insult.

You really think La la gives a damn?

[Greenie]

And yet Bernard King won crap as well. And for the same reason. He had mostly crap around him and simply was not good enough by himself to take a bunch of crap and win anything.

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Bernard carried us on his shoulders to game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Celtics with Bird, McHale and Parish. Melo never even sniffed that as a Knick. Please. I watched a lot of Bernard King. Melo can't hold his jock strap and I don't care what Melo's numbers are. He never had, nor will have, Bernard King's heart.

King played for the Knicks from 82-83 to 86-87. 5 seasons.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kingbe01.html

Bernard King did NOT play in the ECF in a Knicks uniform. King didn't ever play in a conference finals period.

1983 - 2nd round Knicks lost 4-0
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1983.html

1984 - 2nd round Knicks lost 4-3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1984.html

1985 - Knicks didn't make the playoffs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1985.html

1986 - Knicks didn't make the playoffs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1986.html

1987 - Knicks didn't make the playoffs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1987.html

Only other years he made the playoffs were in 78-79 (NJN, 1st round loss), 87-88 (WSB, 1st round loss) & 92-93 (NJN, 1st round loss).

So Melo had more playoff appearances as a Knick and got as far.

Sniff sniff

Welp

[Knicksfan20]

Its both Tonight and Tomorrow a the same time. Give us the news!

[dakomish23]

The knicks screwed up putting talent around him, sure. The melo trade drained all of our assets to get another star, was terrible. Using the amnesty on Chauncey to get Tyson instead of waiting a year for Cp3. Both of those were mistakes.

But melo did his fair share to contribute to the losing culture and era he played in. Not adapting his game to fit the best style of the team. Not adapting to the new era of ball movement. Never giving any effort on defense. Getting coaches fired. Deliberately sabotouging a team president and trying to turn the locker room on him. Everyone had a role to play but melo could have made this whole situation a lot better. He has no one to blame but himself for the way he is going out

Name one coach he got fired. FIRED. Not quit. FIRED.

Trading a pick for Bargs? All good right?

The president threw him under the bus, not the other way around.

You want to come at his play, fair game. But you are lying about a whole lot and ignoring so much just to scapegoat the one guy who brought anything of relevance, no matter how minor, to this franchise in a decade plus.

He forced out dantoni man. Fired, quit, what's the difference when you give an ultimatum of him or melo to the owner? Funny thing is, dantoni was the first one to use melo as a power forward in an uptempo system that featured point guards and got forced out for it.

Trading a pick for bargs was awful. But CAA was running the organization a team the time. Literally had everyone from grundwald, to Woodson who they forced to sign with them, to melo and Chris smith under their agency. Can't tell me it didn't have Melos stamp of approval. It was his agents pushing stupid moves thinking we were in contention.

Phil threw him under the bus but no one knows what that locker room was like all year. Sounds like melo has been trying to turn the team on phil rambis and the triangle way beforehand. Like I said, knicks made mistakes. But still should have been way better if we really had a star player. Melo has as much if not more blame for the situation he is in

So you're argument is based on

- the coach being fired being the same as the coach quoting
- the theory that Melo gave approval on every roster move even though he didn't make the moves
- the theory that Melo led a mutiny in the Locke room all year for no apparent reason?

Cmon man

[Capn'O]

if you really need links, you weren't alive then...i remember when they retired ewings number one of these things he said was "to the fans...you know we had our ups and downs" lol

Cap during that ceremony:

[Greenie]

actually that was giving her a compliment.

Calling someone B-List is an insult.

You really think La la gives a damn?

You missed the point. People don't want insults but don't mind throwing them.

[3toheadmelo]

facts


but then looks at knicks roster

[Greenie]

if you really need links, you weren't alive then...i remember when they retired ewings number one of these things he said was "to the fans...you know we had our ups and downs" lol

Cap during that ceremony:

I remember that.
That was embarrassing.

[Knicksfan20]

Saying somebody is a B list celeb is like saying that this person is an All star but wont make the Hall of fame. No shame in that.

[sushibear]

Any guess who we will be receiving and will there ba a third team?

[dakomish23]

I hate this whole Melo the martyr nonsense. He drained this team to the max for Denver just so he could get his max deal. So, not only did he cost us talent and assets, he also wasn't concerned about cap flexibility either. Then his reported mutiny on MDA. Then he gets another max with a NTC and a kicker. As bad as the FO has been, he has not made it easy. He also was going to leave after gutting this team. For nothing. Money brought him back. Not loyalty. Then he has another mutiny. Now he wants his cake again.

I get that the franchise screwed up around him. I have listed the many mistakes. It's true, the team did him worse than he did the team but, he did not make it easy and, it's time to move on. There is ZERO reason for him to be here and, zero reason for fans not to be allowed to anticipate and/or celebrate a new direction. A rebuild around youth and the draft? It hasn't happened in decades. We haven't won in decades either.

In all of these losing years...it's not the players, GMs, coaches fault. It's Dolan. It all coincides with his emergence on the scene and it hasn't ended.

As a fan of the team above the players, I look forward to a new batch of kids. A more modern style of play. A future to root for. We will get none of that with Melo. Time to move on.

A sales guy wants to sell me a car at maximum value. I choose to buy it at that price.

But it's the car's fault?

[Battery]

And yet Bernard King won crap as well. And for the same reason. He had mostly crap around him and simply was not good enough by himself to take a bunch of crap and win anything.

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Bernard carried us on his shoulders to game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Celtics with Bird, McHale and Parish. Melo never even sniffed that as a Knick. Please. I watched a lot of Bernard King. Melo can't hold his jock strap and I don't care what Melo's numbers are. He never had, nor will have, Bernard King's heart.

King played for the Knicks from 82-83 to 86-87. 5 seasons.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kingbe01.html

Bernard King did NOT play in the ECF in a Knicks uniform. King didn't ever play in a conference finals period.

1983 - 2nd round Knicks lost 4-0
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1983.html

1984 - 2nd round Knicks lost 4-3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1984.html

1985 - Knicks didn't make the playoffs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1985.html

1986 - Knicks didn't make the playoffs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1986.html

1987 - Knicks didn't make the playoffs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1987.html

Only other years he made the playoffs were in 78-79 (NJN, 1st round loss), 87-88 (WSB, 1st round loss) & 92-93 (NJN, 1st round loss).

So Melo had more playoff appearances as a Knick and got as far.

Sniff sniff

Unfortunately, you have no clue how great those teams were that BK had to go up against. it wasn't the trash that Melo had to play against. Both those series against the Pistons and Celtics were EPIC!!!!! No way doesn't Melo get past the Pistons in the first round, let alone win one game against those Celtics who were all in their prime.

[Wolfgang630]

Melo needs to go not only for the team, but for the fans too. This bickering about his legacy and what happened is played out so much.

[Greenie]

Read on Twitter

Never adjusted his game though.

I'm going to go make some tea and try to at least rest.

save me a cup

Chamomile boo.

[blueNorange]

lol @ spamming the thread with garbage, it's like trump retweeting fox news and alex jones