Melo Trade Thread #? - We all know nothing (Upd PG 64 - Deal Happening Tonight/Tomorrow?)

[HarthorneWingo]

no he was heavily appreciated here, he was viewed as the savior. in fact the fans should've been on his case long ago when he got rid of d'antoni and lin in a sequence of 5 months, but they didn't because the fans loved melo. i loved melo, i'm banned from the general forum because i called out tsherkin on his bias bashing of melo. when trade was announced the knicks made amazing video packages hyping him.

so don't for one second make up a bs claim that the knicks didn't respect melo his entire team here because we did, we embraced him. the past few seasons however fans have been souring on him because they've had enough with the "excuses" and the fingers pointed elsewhere.

that and also his decline played a part, so the fans expressed their opinion on a diminishing player that still views himself as bigger than the team.

YOU deserved this mediocrity from the melo era, because turns out he's not batman or robin ... dude is straight up alfred.

I see this is one of your comedy jokes

still sucks

nope, it's me telling you how it is and you came up with a weak response.

Not me. I hated him even back then. And I was all over that Lin and D'Antoni shyt.

Oh, and fck sherkin.

[Fat]

Its both Tonight and Tomorrow a the same time. Give us the news!

here it is

Spoiler:

[Greenie]

Bernard carried us on his shoulders to game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Celtics with Bird, McHale and Parish. Melo never even sniffed that as a Knick. Please. I watched a lot of Bernard King. Melo can't hold his jock strap and I don't care what Melo's numbers are. He never had, nor will have, Bernard King's heart.

King played for the Knicks from 82-83 to 86-87. 5 seasons.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kingbe01.html

Bernard King did NOT play in the ECF in a Knicks uniform. King didn't ever play in a conference finals period.

1983 - 2nd round Knicks lost 4-0
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1983.html

1984 - 2nd round Knicks lost 4-3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1984.html

1985 - Knicks didn't make the playoffs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1985.html

1986 - Knicks didn't make the playoffs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1986.html

1987 - Knicks didn't make the playoffs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1987.html

Only other years he made the playoffs were in 78-79 (NJN, 1st round loss), 87-88 (WSB, 1st round loss) & 92-93 (NJN, 1st round loss).

So Melo had more playoff appearances as a Knick and got as far.

Sniff sniff

Unfortunately, you have no clue how great those teams were that BK had to go up against. it wasn't the trash that Melo had to play against. Both those series against the Pistons and Celtics were EPIC!!!!! No way doesn't Melo get past the Pistons in the first round, let alone win one game against those Celtics who were all in their prime.

That's not even the point...

[3toheadmelo]

Never adjusted his game though.

I'm going to go make some tea and try to at least rest.

save me a cup

Chamomile boo.

[Capn'O]

And y'all didn't fight for Ewing?

I don't think this forum existed. I fought for Marbury though. Back when posters like bluenorange = posters like blueseats Same battle different players/posters

You know I think you're forgetting about the original Marbury hater. ahem ahem

the grandstanding

[mrpoetryNmotion]

So when Porzingis can't make **** gold, we're turning on him too. Right guys?

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It's crazy, the amount of hype Melo came here with. How people thought he would lift us out of whatever misery we were in. At least Porzingis doesn't have that hype, yet. He's all potential, and there is some level of hype around that (not true results), but if he doesn't live up to it, it'll be disappointing, yes, but I think we'll all live because he'd still be a pretty decent two way player. The fatal flaw with Melo was that he was established. Knicks fans had expectations that he failed to meet. Granted, it's not all his fault, as I can't necessarily say a good team was truly built around him. But I think what's also true is that he was not as good or as 'impactful' as Knicks fans wanted to believe.

I frankly don't think a team could win with him as their best player, even in his prime, considering the competition during his prime years, nor do I think a team could win with him as their best/most efficient scorer. Though I feel like that was the impression for a long time. All the talent, but, overall, lacking in execution. And sadly, dude is too polarizing to keep at this point. Almost similar to Marbury in how it turned out.

At least we can all agree, for the most part, that the THJr signing was pretty baffling.

KP does have that hype.

See bold.

Hype for what Porzingis, or any player for that matter, could be is not equatable to the hype an established player brings/should bring if your team is 'supposedly' in the position to compete, ala Knicks post 2010 plan (with hindsight, we can obviously pick apart the Knicks and their likelihood of competing, but that was the conventional fanbase expectation among most on this forum at the time, whether you find it agreeable or not). Porzingis is in no way established and could very well not be much more that what he is now.

[3toheadmelo]

one of the biggest historical events in knicks history
never forget this wonderful day

[DOT]

To be fair, the teams King lost to in the playoffs went on to win the championship both times

[Greenie]

It's crazy, the amount of hype Melo came here with. How people thought he would lift us out of whatever misery we were in. At least Porzingis doesn't have that hype, yet. He's all potential, and there is some level of hype around that (not true results), but if he doesn't live up to it, it'll be disappointing, yes, but I think we'll all live because he'd still be a pretty decent two way player. The fatal flaw with Melo was that he was established. Knicks fans had expectations that he failed to meet. Granted, it's not all his fault, as I can't necessarily say a good team was truly built around him. But I think what's also true is that he was not as good or as 'impactful' as Knicks fans wanted to believe.

I frankly don't think a team could win with him as their best player, even in his prime, considering the competition during his prime years, nor do I think a team could win with him as their best/most efficient scorer. Though I feel like that was the impression for a long time. All the talent, but, overall, lacking in execution. And sadly, dude is too polarizing to keep at this point. Almost similar to Marbury in how it turned out.

At least we can all agree, for the most part, that the THJr signing was pretty baffling.

KP does have that hype.

See bold.

Hype for what Porzingis, or any player for that matter, could be is not equatable to the hype an established player brings/should bring if your team is 'supposedly' in the position to compete, ala Knicks post 2010 plan (with hindsight, we can obviously pick apart the Knicks and their likelihood of competing, but that was the conventional fanbase expectation among most on this forum at the time, whether you find it agreeable or not). Porzingis is in no way established and could very well not be much more that what he is now.

His nickname is unicorn.
He's viewed by many on this board as the savior. All of his shortcomings are blamed on others and age.

[Da_Mane_Man]

no he was heavily appreciated here, he was viewed as the savior. in fact the fans should've been on his case long ago when he got rid of d'antoni and lin in a sequence of 5 months, but they didn't because the fans loved melo. i loved melo, i'm banned from the general forum because i called out tsherkin on his bias bashing of melo. when trade was announced the knicks made amazing video packages hyping him.

so don't for one second make up a bs claim that the knicks didn't respect melo his entire team here because we did, we embraced him. the past few seasons however fans have been souring on him because they've had enough with the "excuses" and the fingers pointed elsewhere.

that and also his decline played a part, so the fans expressed their opinion on a diminishing player that still views himself as bigger than the team.

YOU deserved this mediocrity from the melo era, because turns out he's not batman or robin ... dude is straight up alfred.

at Alfred

I can't remember, weren't you pissed that we gave up so much for him? I was definitely at least torn about it, but we hadn't had a "superstar" for so long at that point that it was easy to buy in.

of course i was mad, it was too much. gallo/chandler(who played real well with amar'e) and mozgov too boot, especially at that time the knicks had zero center and mozgov was a life saver.

it was a dumb deal for a player who could've waited, but wanted his money.

Looking back on it, it's even worse than it seemed at the time. Right when the NBA was about to turn into a buddy-buddy, super team forming league, we give up all of our young assets & draft picks for one guy. One guy who couldn't get us over the hump by himself (or with Amare), couldn't recruit any of his "friends" at the most important times, couldn't adjust his game to any system coaches tried to implement, and was just good enough to not allow us to get a top pick (for those rare years when we actually owned our pick).

All of that is why I'm ready to move on and to just TANK for one more year. Being in the middle is the worst place to be and it's VERY evident in today's NBA. Other teams are clearly recognizing it and making moves accordingly. I thought we were doing the same a week ago, but now I'm scared. The Timmy deal got me shook. Throw in the Rondo interest and things get worse.

[Rotten Apple]

Y'all not tired of this back n forth sh*t?

[dakomish23]

Bernard carried us on his shoulders to game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Celtics with Bird, McHale and Parish. Melo never even sniffed that as a Knick. Please. I watched a lot of Bernard King. Melo can't hold his jock strap and I don't care what Melo's numbers are. He never had, nor will have, Bernard King's heart.

King played for the Knicks from 82-83 to 86-87. 5 seasons.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kingbe01.html

Bernard King did NOT play in the ECF in a Knicks uniform. King didn't ever play in a conference finals period.

1983 - 2nd round Knicks lost 4-0
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1983.html

1984 - 2nd round Knicks lost 4-3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1984.html

1985 - Knicks didn't make the playoffs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1985.html

1986 - Knicks didn't make the playoffs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1986.html

1987 - Knicks didn't make the playoffs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1987.html

Only other years he made the playoffs were in 78-79 (NJN, 1st round loss), 87-88 (WSB, 1st round loss) & 92-93 (NJN, 1st round loss).

So Melo had more playoff appearances as a Knick and got as far.

Sniff sniff

Unfortunately, you have no clue how great those teams were that BK had to go up against. it wasn't the trash that Melo had to play against. Both those series against the Pistons and Celtics were EPIC!!!!! No way doesn't Melo get past the Pistons in the first round, let alone win one game against those Celtics who were all in their prime.

That's an opinion. Like the opinion that King wouldn't win one game against LAL with Kobe & Pau in their prime.

The fact is he got as far as Melo did here. For some reason it was ok when he did it, but it's held against Melo.

How about we say the truth?

We had our most success in a decade plus with this guy.

We can't even come close to replicating that given his decline & the many many many many many bad transactions this franchise has done since he's been here.

He needs to go.

We need to move on.

[Marty McFly]

Rarely is anyone actually insulting melo. Usually they are defending themselves for making a fair criticism. Everyone knows crap teams were put around melo. The hope is KP gets or can be what Bernard, Ewing and Melo never got.. it is time to move on

i wouldn't count on it with this front office's history.

[vallen]

Calling someone B-List is an insult.

You really think La la gives a damn?

You missed the point. People don't want insults but don't mind throwing them.

A-List = Top Stars in movies

B-List = TV, reality, and bad horror flicks.

call me when LaLa wins an oscar.

[Capn'O]

so you're who we think you are......we read your old blog a while back on here....it was a little disturbing to be honest

There's the political me and the basketball me. The mods here always treated me very fairly and we had great times back in the day. The CA board was entirely different story. I reacted emotionally because back then I was here to talk Knicks, not politics and it was ripped away from me. And I think I did a damn good job along with a lot of other great posters entertaining the Knicks board.

I see we have something else in common. Welcome to the club. I got booted off the site over a CA fight (via PM too!).

Welcome back.

We all do NOT have politics in common with Battery but I <3 <3 <3 him anyway.

[Greenie]

To be fair, the teams King lost to in the playoffs went on to win the championship both times

Boston went to the ECF right?
Miami won the Championship
Pacers went to the ECF


We didn't lose to garbage teams.

[Greenie]

You really think La la gives a damn?

You missed the point. People don't want insults but don't mind throwing them.

A-List = Top Stars in movies

B-List = TV, reality, and bad horror flicks.

call me when LaLa wins an oscar.

I think someone needs a timeout

[Rotten Apple]

To be fair, the teams King lost to in the playoffs went on to win the championship both times

Boston went to the ECF right?
Miami won the Championship
Pacers went to the ECF


We didn't lose to garbage teams.

This.

/debate

[Battery]

King played for the Knicks from 82-83 to 86-87. 5 seasons.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kingbe01.html

Bernard King did NOT play in the ECF in a Knicks uniform. King didn't ever play in a conference finals period.

1983 - 2nd round Knicks lost 4-0
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1983.html

1984 - 2nd round Knicks lost 4-3
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1984.html

1985 - Knicks didn't make the playoffs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1985.html

1986 - Knicks didn't make the playoffs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1986.html

1987 - Knicks didn't make the playoffs
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1987.html

Only other years he made the playoffs were in 78-79 (NJN, 1st round loss), 87-88 (WSB, 1st round loss) & 92-93 (NJN, 1st round loss).

So Melo had more playoff appearances as a Knick and got as far.

Sniff sniff

Unfortunately, you have no clue how great those teams were that BK had to go up against. it wasn't the trash that Melo had to play against. Both those series against the Pistons and Celtics were EPIC!!!!! No way doesn't Melo get past the Pistons in the first round, let alone win one game against those Celtics who were all in their prime.

That's an opinion. Like the opinion that King wouldn't win one game against LAL with Kobe & Pau in their prime.

The fact is he got as far as Melo did here. For some reason it was ok when he did it, but it's held against Melo.

How about we say the truth?

We had our most success in a decade plus with this guy.

We can't even come close to replicating that given his decline & the many many many many many bad transactions this franchise has done since he's been here.

He needs to go.

We need to move on.

Ummm but those Celtics teams in the 80's were much better than the Lakers teams with Kobe and Pau.

[dakomish23]

The knicks screwed up putting talent around him, sure. The melo trade drained all of our assets to get another star, was terrible. Using the amnesty on Chauncey to get Tyson instead of waiting a year for Cp3. Both of those were mistakes.

But melo did his fair share to contribute to the losing culture and era he played in. Not adapting his game to fit the best style of the team. Not adapting to the new era of ball movement. Never giving any effort on defense. Getting coaches fired. Deliberately sabotouging a team president and trying to turn the locker room on him. Everyone had a role to play but melo could have made this whole situation a lot better. He has no one to blame but himself for the way he is going out

Name one coach he got fired. FIRED. Not quit. FIRED.

Trading a pick for Bargs? All good right?

The president threw him under the bus, not the other way around.

You want to come at his play, fair game. But you are lying about a whole lot and ignoring so much just to scapegoat the one guy who brought anything of relevance, no matter how minor, to this franchise in a decade plus.

No matter what way you spin it, Melo was never a top 10 player with us. No matter what we did, 9-10 other teams had a better starting card. There's no reason to feel bad. There's a lot more deserving players that should have won a ring as the primary option that didn't.

What are you talking about? Who said he was a top 10'player in the NBA? Though, IMO, he clearly was from the moment Lin chose a payday over playoffs till he became a FA.