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Re: Around the league 2017-2018 

Post#241 » by shawn_hemp » Sun Jul 9, 2017 3:42 pm

t_smith979 wrote:
GabeCerebro wrote:
t_smith979 wrote:Isiah Thomas
Kemba Walker
Kyrie Irving
Lebron James
Nikola Jokic
Andre Drummond
Steph Curry
Klay Thompson
Kevin Durant
Draymond Green
Chris Paul
James Harden
Blake Griffin
Deandre Jordan
Mike Conley
Jimmy Butler
Karl Towns
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Anthony Davis
Demarcus Cousins
Russell Westbrook
Paul George
Joel Embiid
Damian Lillard
C.J McCollum
Kawhi Leonard
John Wall

There's 27 players who I consider will be better than him this season. Not trying to say he isn't a good player because I like him, but if you're asking for lists their's one.


CJ, Conley, Deandre, Lillard, and Drummond are all reaches. And I'd argue Blake as well. Embiid and Jokic are reaches as well until further notice.

Well even if you really want to take out those players and he still isn't top 15.


You can put Rudy Gobert on that list IMO. Hayward wasn't even the most important player on his old team
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Re: Around the league 2017-2018 

Post#242 » by the_process » Sun Jul 9, 2017 8:52 pm

Kemba
LeBron
Kyrie
Love
Giannis
Lowry
Beal
Wall
Jokic
Millsap
Durant
Curry
Draymond
Klay
Harden
Paul
Griffin
DJ
M. Gasol
Butler
Towns
AD
Cousins
Westbrook
George
Kawhi
Gobert

That's 27 for me that are better. There are a bunch of guys that are right there with Hayward too: Drummond, Whiteside, Embiid, Lillard, McCollum, and DeRozan.
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Re: Around the league 2017-2018 

Post#243 » by Ericb5 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:21 am

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Totally different circumstances:

A) All of GS players can play off the ball. Simmons and Embiid are not going to be running around screens and cutting on offense. Fultz has the potential to do this, but we would be underutilizing him big time. Surrounding LeBron with cutters and shooters is the way his offense can be successful.

B) Only Klay and Steph had > 20% usage rates. Adding KD worked because GS's 3rd and 4th stars in Draymond + Iggy each had sub-20% usage rates.

C) KD joined the Warriors at age 27, with Curry (28), Klay (27), and Draymond (26) all at the beginning of the primes. Conversely, LeBron will be 33 next summer, with Embiid (24), Fultz (20), and Simmons (22) not nearly ready to take on a team like the Warriors. Adding Durant was a win-now move for GS...adding LeBron would also be a win-now move, but we're not there yet.


So if Bron actually wanted to come to Philly you would say no?

I'm not saying he would want to come to Philly, but thats one guy you don't say no to.....but I would love to hear you explain to Lebron his usage rate is too high so we don't want you. The one year contracts are a clue that we are trying to be flexible in the future. The Lakers would be interesting for him, I just don't see why he would do that when they probably won't even make the playoffs.


I wouldn't say "no" outright, but if for some reason LeBron really wanted to come here, then I would let him know our offense is running through our big 3. Our FO would have to make it clear that if he comes, it won't be his team, which LeBron is unlikely to accept. I'm not shoving aside 3 potential franchise players and stunting their development so LeBron can try and win another ring or two before he retires.

Edit: On another note, the perfect place for LeBron to end his career (besides Cleveland) is San Antonio. LeBron + Kawhi + Pop might be the antidote to beating the current GS dynasty.


I feel silly even considering the possibility of Lebron coming here, but if he DID come here, I think that we just make room for him, and let him be Lebron, unless, and until, Simmons or Embiid show themselves to be better than him.

Lebron is about the most flexible superstar in the league in terms of his ability to adapt to other teams, and their strengths and abilities.


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Re: Around the league 2017-2018 

Post#244 » by Ericb5 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:34 am

How did Joseph get traded from the Raptors for peanuts? We couldn't have gotten him for Noel?

Just think, that we took Anderson and a second round pick over Joseph. I have to believe that the Raptors would rather have Noel than Miles.


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Re: Around the league 2017-2018 

Post#245 » by shawn_hemp » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:57 am

Ericb5 wrote:How did Joseph get traded from the Raptors for peanuts? We couldn't have gotten him for Noel?

Just think, that we took Anderson and a second round pick over Joseph. I have to believe that the Raptors would rather have Noel than Miles.


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Which basically turned into Anderson and cash since we didn't even use the pick
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Re: Around the league 2017-2018 

Post#246 » by 76ciology » Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:06 am

Ericb5 wrote:How did Joseph get traded from the Raptors for peanuts? We couldn't have gotten him for Noel?

Just think, that we took Anderson and a second round pick over Joseph. I have to believe that the Raptors would rather have Noel than Miles.


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I dont want to get into an argument, but in the REAL NBA, Nerlens is not as valued as we most think (maybe because of contract?). For joseph, no way Raps spend 40+m of contract per year for both Ibaka and Noel. Specially they have two surplus bigs in Valanciunas and Caboclo

Logically, I think BC wouldn't also prefer Anderson over Joseph?
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Re: Around the league 2017-2018 

Post#247 » by Unbreakable99 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:19 pm

If this were the actual projections the Sixers would be the 8 seed and the Lakers would have the worst record in the league.

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Re: Around the league 2017-2018 

Post#248 » by MR28 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:34 pm

So what am I missing with the Hornets? 46 wins and 12 wins better than us?
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Post#249 » by XtremeDunkz » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:42 pm

MR28 wrote:So what am I missing with the Hornets? 46 wins and 12 wins better than us?


They just added a former rookie of the year.
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Post#250 » by Sixerscan » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:00 pm

I assume it's because they seriously underperformed their point differential (actually outscored their opponents and was 7th in the conference), Dwight while not good is better than the flotsam they traded for him, and a bunch of eastern teams directly ahead of them got worse and the wins have to go somewhere.

It's tough for a system to project the Sixers. Heck it's tough for anyone to project the Sixers. Lot of variables.
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Post#251 » by cksdayoff » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:27 pm

MR28 wrote:So what am I missing with the Hornets? 46 wins and 12 wins better than us?


i think the sixers are better than 6 teams above them, certainly better than the hornets
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Post#252 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:36 pm

The 2016 Hornets were one of the most underrated teams in the NBA. They had a down year last year, but they made some additions that should have them back to being really tough on both ends like they were two years ago.
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Post#253 » by PLO » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:30 am

Got to respect the Nets and their FO; got some impressive talents for a franchise swimming against the swill without their own first round picks. A mini-Process going on there.
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Post#254 » by 76ciology » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:58 am

Can anyone explain to me the DLo trade?
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Re: Around the league 2017-2018 

Post#255 » by TTP » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:26 am

Sixerscan wrote:I assume it's because they seriously underperformed their point differential (actually outscored their opponents and was 7th in the conference), Dwight while not good is better than the flotsam they traded for him, and a bunch of eastern teams directly ahead of them got worse and the wins have to go somewhere.

It's tough for a system to project the Sixers. Heck it's tough for anyone to project the Sixers. Lot of variables.


They also were atrocious while Cody Zeller was injured, but were something like a 46 win pace when he played. I'm curious how they'll manage that situation with Dwight there.
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Post#256 » by Roddy B for 3 » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:00 am

How would 76er fans feel about Wesley Matthews (18.5M this season, player option at 19.5M next season) + Dwight Powell + 2 2nd rounders + Dallas' 2018 1st top 6 protected (indefinitely) for cap space?
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Post#257 » by 76ciology » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:34 am

Not gonna happen. Ar this stage I think we value cap space over more lotto picks
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Post#258 » by mithrandir17 » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:42 am

Roddy B for 3 wrote:How would 76er fans feel about Wesley Matthews (18.5M this season, player option at 19.5M next season) + Dwight Powell + 2 2nd rounders + Dallas' 2018 1st top 6 protected (indefinitely) for cap space?

I don't think we have enough roster spot to add another player. And we already paid Reddick 23M to be our starting SG. Matthews will just be redundant at this point. Also we have enough future 1st round picks. We won't have enough roster spots to add any young talent anymore than we already have. If this deal was 2 years ago, we probably would have accepted it.
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Post#259 » by Roddy B for 3 » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:34 am

What if it was just Dwight and 2nds or Wes and the first #10 protected indefinitely
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Post#260 » by 76ciology » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:18 am

Roddy B for 3 wrote:What if it was just Dwight and 2nds or Wes and the first #10 protected indefinitely


Why not offer it to the Nets or Hawks? I just dont know if they have cap
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