Melo Thread #????? - Update PG 58 - 4-way scenarios explored (In Georgia?)

[SRG]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8opawk8

seems like it will be something like this?
guess I would have always hoped to get some sort of draft pick for taking on another average contract in the trade.

[CANiLIVE]

I honestly think it's a crazy low offer and melo and trying to force the knicks hand

[F N 11]

I honestly think it's a crazy low offer and melo and trying to force the knicks hand

Its Morey. If I'm Mills I drag it out no matter how much Morey tries to low ball.

[stuporman]

So what seems to be holding this deal up is Mills unwillingness to take on any garbage, like Anderson or Leonard, to get the deal done and Houston can't find anyone to take it on while coughing up an asset for the Knicks. Morey is getting his Ainge on in wanting to be stingy with assets and has an unrealistic expectation of his position in negotiations, he wants to take advantage of everyone while giving nothing in return .

Morey probably thinks he can wait the Knicks out so the pressure from the media and fans will eventually wear Mills down or Dolan will do his typical thing and meddle by pushing a terrible deal through just to get it done. History is on his side in thinking that's what will happen but this will be a significant indicator to see if Dolan has learned anything and if Mills has the backbone for the job. Although, how good he is at identifying basketball talent and roster building is shown in the long run.

[dakomish23]

Link to Amare saying it wasn't about Melo?

@dalomish, Melo certainly didn't give him a shout out. Melo was salty with Lin when D'Antoni took the keys from Melo and gave them to Lin.

At that time the Knicks were better with Lin then Melo... Melo Hated that
Lin was loved by the people

@Whocares - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2621210-amare-stoudemire-denies-comments-on-knicks-tenure-were-about-carmelo-anthony

@Hawthorne - you're guessing a perennial all star was jealous of Lin because you think if Melo is selfish on the court, he must be off it.

Why would he be? Amare got plenty of publicity and he's tight with Melo. Porzingis? We know how close they are.

That's an opinion that fits your narrative and is far from a fact.

@Knox - Look at the Knicks post Lin that year. Better record than with Lin.

Since the NJN breakout with Lin: 15-10 .600
Since Lin chose a payday: 13-5 .720

And Melo was on absolute fire during that time

Rewatch that 1st game. You'll see who's cheering on Lin. Saying he hated it is more made up nonsense.

[whocares1]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y95onh98

Made this trade. Who says no? Obviously Suns are compensated with a draft and likely Portland as well. Knicks get no draft picks but get Harkless and expiring cheap contracts.

What draft pick (for the Suns)? Blazers?

Also I would expect a pick going to NY for Anthony from at least the Rockets.

Knicks wouldn't be able to get a first round pick because Suns and Portland need to be compensated for taking on huge contracts. The only team that can hand out draft picks in this trade is Houston. Portland wouldn't because they're taking on Ryan..Suns wouldn't because they don't even have to be in the trade in the first place. They'd be looking for compensation for taking on Leonard's contract, which would make sense for a team nowhere close to contending.

Portland probably gets a couple of second round picks from Houston and the Suns get a future protected first round pick from Houston.

[moocow007]

So what seems to be holding this deal up is Mills unwillingness to take on any garbage like Anderson or Leonard, to get the deal done and Houston can't find anyone to take it on while coughing up an asset for the Knicks. Morey is getting his Ainge on and wanting to be stingy with assets and has an unrealistic expectation of his position in negotiations, he wants to take advantage of everyone while giving nothing in return .

Morey probably thinks he can wait the Knicks out so the pressure from the media and fans will eventually wear Mills down or Dolan will do his typical thing and meddle by pushing a terrible deal through just to get it done. History is on his side in thinking that's what will happen but this will be a significant indicator to see if Dolan has learned anything and if Mills has the backbone for the job. Although, how good he is at identifying basketball talent and roster building is shown in the long run.

As much as it would be nice to just move on from Anthony, the Knicks need to hold firm. If they can't find the right trade, there's no sense making a stupid trade just to get rid of Anthony. If Anthony really wants out then have him work the same pull that a lot of folks have accused him of getting himself here in the first place, to keep the pressure on the Rockets to poney up and/or figure it out. And if not, then you don't do it. Anthony is worried enough about his brand (the thing that a lot of folks have accused him of being interested in more than winning) that he's not going to turn into a cancer (and risk his brand). You carry him until the right move happens or you make him opt out. Right now teams may have a good idea what they have and where they are at, but once the season starts and things shake out you may actually get more interest as teams look to really make moves to push them up a notch. In baseball it's why you usually get the best return waiting for near the trade deadline. Same here. Again, yes, trade him if a deal that makes sense comes up and let's all move on. But you don't got to trade him no matter what.

[dakomish23]

Why did Lin choose a payday over the playoffs yet gets worshipped?

Watch on YouTube

That was the last time I really enjoyed Knick basketball

oh man. that was awesome to watch. it's so much fun when a team plays unselfish basketball together.

having a young, aggressive PG who can pass makes everything so much better. hopefully Frank can be that.

Yeah that was so much better than finishing 13-5 with a flourish, including that epic CHI comeback, or the 54 win season.

Give me seven games any time!

[Fury]

Frank/Rajon
Hardaway
Lee
Melo
KP/Willy

My body is ready

[Wolfgang630]

If you can't trade Melo then sit him on the bench until Houston comes up with a good package.

[EchelonNYK]

If you can't trade Melo then sit him on the bench until Houston comes up with a good package.

Distracting city. I don't know why so many are suggesting this. They need to get rid of the man. Now.

[GONYK]

If you can't trade Melo then sit him on the bench until Houston comes up with a good package.

Distracting city. I don't know why so many are suggesting this.

I don't think we'll bench him. We'd just play him less.

[dakomish23]

So what seems to be holding this deal up is Mills unwillingness to take on any garbage like Anderson or Leonard, to get the deal done and Houston can't find anyone to take it on while coughing up an asset for the Knicks. Morey is getting his Ainge on and wanting to be stingy with assets and has an unrealistic expectation of his position in negotiations, he wants to take advantage of everyone while giving nothing in return .

Morey probably thinks he can wait the Knicks out so the pressure from the media and fans will eventually wear Mills down or Dolan will do his typical thing and meddle by pushing a terrible deal through just to get it done. History is on his side in thinking that's what will happen but this will be a significant indicator to see if Dolan has learned anything and if Mills has the backbone for the job. Although, how good he is at identifying basketball talent and roster building is shown in the long run.

As much as it would be nice to just move on from Anthony, the Knicks need to hold firm. If they can't find the right trade, there's no sense making a stupid trade just to get rid of Anthony. If Anthony really wants out then have him work the same pull that a lot of folks have accused him of getting himself here in the first place, to keep the pressure on the Rockets to poney up and/or figure it out. And if not, then you don't do it. Anthony is worried enough about his brand (the thing that a lot of folks have accused him of being interested in more than winning) that he's not going to turn into a cancer (and risk his brand). You carry him until the right move happens or you make him opt out.

Yep. I said he should still be traded the same day PJax was fired. But don't do it just to do it. That's part of the reason we are where are now. We sold wayyyyyy too low on Tyson. Who knows what this team is if they don't do that?

[F N 11]

Anybody think we're waiting for a Melo trade to free up space to offer Rondo a one year deal to play for a bigger deal next year? Up tempo offense with KP and shooters is attractive.

[HarthorneWingo]

@dalomish, Melo certainly didn't give him a shout out. Melo was salty with Lin when D'Antoni took the keys from Melo and gave them to Lin.

At that time the Knicks were better with Lin then Melo... Melo Hated that
Lin was loved by the people

@Whocares - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2621210-amare-stoudemire-denies-comments-on-knicks-tenure-were-about-carmelo-anthony

@Hawthorne - you're guessing a perennial all star was jealous of Lin because you think if Melo is selfish on the court, he must be off it.

Why would he be? Amare got plenty of publicity and he's tight with Melo. Porzingis? We know how close they are.

That's an opinion that fits your narrative and is far from a fact.

@Knox - Look at the Knicks post Lin that year. Better record than with Lin.

Since the NJN breakout with Lin: 15-10 .600
Since Lin chose a payday: 13-5 .720

And Melo was on absolute fire during that time

Rewatch that 1st game. You'll see who's cheering on Lin. Saying he hated it is more made up nonsense.

Do you really deny that Melo was upset that MDA was going to relegate him as a "spot up shooter"? Dude, this shyt is of record. D'Antoni spoke about it himself. Lin took the ball out of Melo's hands.

[moocow007]

Anybody think we're waiting for a Melo trade to free up space to offer Rondo a one year deal to play for a bigger deal next year? Up tempo offense with KP and shooters is attractive.

IF Mills is true to his word, then no, I don't think this is a 1 year deal with a promise for more. I think this is what it is. A one year deal (maybe for $10 million or so) to provide a specific role (mentor, experience, passing). And then maybe another one (year deal) if things work out. I don't get the sense that Rondo will be promised getting a bigger deal (years/dollars). Mills would be an idiot to offer Rondo a long term deal (or promise)...and I actually like Rondo.

[taj2133]

morey is hard azz gm to work with he tries rip off other teams to many that is why many teams don't want to work with him because he has to win every trade same with ainge in boston same way

[moocow007]

At that time the Knicks were better with Lin then Melo... Melo Hated that
Lin was loved by the people

@Whocares - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2621210-amare-stoudemire-denies-comments-on-knicks-tenure-were-about-carmelo-anthony

@Hawthorne - you're guessing a perennial all star was jealous of Lin because you think if Melo is selfish on the court, he must be off it.

Why would he be? Amare got plenty of publicity and he's tight with Melo. Porzingis? We know how close they are.

That's an opinion that fits your narrative and is far from a fact.

@Knox - Look at the Knicks post Lin that year. Better record than with Lin.

Since the NJN breakout with Lin: 15-10 .600
Since Lin chose a payday: 13-5 .720

And Melo was on absolute fire during that time

Rewatch that 1st game. You'll see who's cheering on Lin. Saying he hated it is more made up nonsense.

Do you really deny that Melo was upset that MDA was going to relegate him as a "spot up shooter"? Dude, this shyt is of record. D'Antoni spoke about it himself. Lin took the ball out of Melo's hands.

Wouldn't you be upset too? Why is this so bad? Any guy in Anthony's level would be upset by it.

[F N 11]

Anybody think we're waiting for a Melo trade to free up space to offer Rondo a one year deal to play for a bigger deal next year? Up tempo offense with KP and shooters is attractive.

IF Mills is true to his word, then no, I don't think this is a 1 year deal with a promise for more. I think this is what it is. A one year deal (maybe for $10 million or so) to provide a specific role. And then maybe another one (year deal) if things work out. I don't get the sense that Rondo will be promised getting a bigger deal (years/dollars).

should of been more specific. I meant a one year deal here to showcase his skills playing 30mpg in an uptempo offense. With his good showing he can then leave to another team who will give him a ton of money.

[drekwins]

@dalomish, Melo certainly didn't give him a shout out. Melo was salty with Lin when D'Antoni took the keys from Melo and gave them to Lin.

At that time the Knicks were better with Lin then Melo... Melo Hated that
Lin was loved by the people

@Whocares - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2621210-amare-stoudemire-denies-comments-on-knicks-tenure-were-about-carmelo-anthony

@Hawthorne - you're guessing a perennial all star was jealous of Lin because you think if Melo is selfish on the court, he must be off it.

Why would he be? Amare got plenty of publicity and he's tight with Melo. Porzingis? We know how close they are.

That's an opinion that fits your narrative and is far from a fact.

@Knox - Look at the Knicks post Lin that year. Better record than with Lin.

Since the NJN breakout with Lin: 15-10 .600
Since Lin chose a payday: 13-5 .720

And Melo was on absolute fire during that time

Rewatch that 1st game. You'll see who's cheering on Lin. Saying he hated it is more made up nonsense.

DAntoni, Smith and Amar'e all said that it was a real thing. Dantoni specifically said that Melo and Amar'e were both unwilling to take on lesser roles. He said that Melo really wasn't willing to move to the 4 in a Lin-centered offense and Amare wasn't willing to backup Chandler. So, he was stuck. I posted the article and quotes last night.