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Post#681 » by 70sFan » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:10 pm

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I have a question. Have you ever seen barefeet height numbers for 1990s centers? I'd love to see Hakeem, Robinson, Mutombo, Mourning and Ewing numbers. It's interesting whether Nate the Great was much shorter than Admiral. From what I've seen, they looks similar in terms of physical profile.

Also, is it true that Duncan is legit 6'11? That means he's taller than probably 80-90% of centers :O

Hakeem is 6-10

Robinson is 7-0 (and like thurmond, much much lighter than he looks) @228 at the time - per 1988 Olympics though I'm sure he bulked up to 250+ maybe even 265 eventually with all that weight training - but he had that deceptively light frame like Thurmond due to being so lean

Shaq was 7-0 though more accurately on Howard Stern he said he was 6-11 and 1/2 - he had a 7 foot 7 armspan and weighed 300 even as a rookie

Mutombo allegedly was 7-1.25 according to a draft circuit from the 90's but I've always found this one suspect - he does not tower over Bill Russell or Patrick Ewing. Not like 7 foot 1/2 inch Wilt does. I wonder if something got lost in translation or was mispublished as I'd find it much more plausible that he was 7-1.25 with shoes, than without.

Mourning is 6-9.5 with a 7-6 wingspan

Duncan is probably closer to 6-10 but he's missing from my spreadsheet so I still haven't found anything for certain on him.

Ewing is also probably closer to 6-10 but he's also missing from my spreadsheet so again I haven't found anything on him


Thanks for reply. I'm waiting for next centers breakdowns (and hope you'll include Lovellette, Kerr, Embry and Dukes). I'm in love with this project :)
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I have a question. Have you ever seen barefeet height numbers for 1990s centers? I'd love to see Hakeem, Robinson, Mutombo, Mourning and Ewing numbers. It's interesting whether Nate the Great was much shorter than Admiral. From what I've seen, they looks similar in terms of physical profile.

Also, is it true that Duncan is legit 6'11? That means he's taller than probably 80-90% of centers :O

Hakeem is 6-10

Robinson is 7-0 (and like thurmond, much much lighter than he looks) @228 at the time - per 1988 Olympics though I'm sure he bulked up to 250+ maybe even 265 eventually with all that weight training - but he had that deceptively light frame like Thurmond due to being so lean

Shaq was 7-0 though more accurately on Howard Stern he said he was 6-11 and 1/2 - he had a 7 foot 7 armspan and weighed 300 even as a rookie

Mutombo allegedly was 7-1.25 according to a draft circuit from the 90's but I've always found this one suspect - he does not tower over Bill Russell or Patrick Ewing. Not like 7 foot 1/2 inch Wilt does. I wonder if something got lost in translation or was mispublished as I'd find it much more plausible that he was 7-1.25 with shoes, than without.

Mourning is 6-9.5 with a 7-6 wingspan

Duncan is probably closer to 6-10 but he's missing from my spreadsheet so I still haven't found anything for certain on him.

Ewing is also probably closer to 6-10 but he's also missing from my spreadsheet so again I haven't found anything on him


Thanks for reply. I'm waiting for next centers breakdowns (and hope you'll include Lovellette, Kerr, Embry and Dukes). I'm in love with this project :)

I can probably do this for Lovellette - MAYBE Kerr - certainly for Embry but Dukes I'm afraid is a no-go.

There are like, 4 good clips of Walter Dukes worthy of calling anything remotely resembling a "highlight". There just isn't enough for me to even figure out what his game and habits on the court were like let alone try to encapsulate it.
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Re: Game Footage Link Thread 

Post#683 » by CavaliersFTW » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:02 am

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Post#684 » by Goudelock » Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:38 pm

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I've only seen late-career Willis Reed, but from what I've seen previously and what I saw in this video, Willis Reed had a better jumpshot than most guards.

Also, how did players weigh that much when weightlifting wasn't prevalent at all? For instance, in the NFL, players of the 60's were tiny compared to today's players due to the lack of weightlifting and modern nutrition (and steroids). It just doesn't make any sense to me.
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I've only seen late-career Willis Reed, but from what I've seen previously and what I saw in this video, Willis Reed had a better jumpshot than most guards.

Also, how did players weigh that much when weightlifting wasn't prevalent at all? For instance, in the NFL, players of the 60's were tiny compared to today's players due to the lack of weightlifting and modern nutrition (and steroids). It just doesn't make any sense to me.

I'll just say this - based on newspaper archive data, NBA players in the 60's certainly aren't listed accurately on wikipedia or basketball reference today - it's wrong more often than it's right. So - one might be able to conclude the same for NFL players.

It's not uncommon in newspapers to find NBA players of the 60's shockingly heavier than their "listed" info - not even by a little but by huge margins. Like Clyde Lovellette or Wayne Embry playing at 277-285 as opposed to their 234 and 240 listed weights.

Take your 1960's NFL weights with a grain of salt. Maybe some of those guys were light, because indeed I've just by happenstance come across articles of NFL draft prospects and players while browsing for these basketball players and thought "huh that guys pretty light" (185-200lbers I would guess is super light for football). But then again, there are also plenty of 300-325+lbers that I come across in those same kinds of articles and I think - damn that's pretty heavy even by today's standards. I always wonder if they were listed that heavy and if it's anything like how the NBA got documented in those days (players typically billed more conservatively than today). I'm not a football fan though so I never look deeper into those articles or players. But if the trend is the same, perhaps many players we see on wikipedia or whatever are not listed as heavy as they actually became.
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Post#687 » by 70sFan » Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:11 am



It's always nice to see new Wilt clips. Look how fluid he was. That fadeaway looks perfect.
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Post#688 » by wojoaderge » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:15 pm

The surviving game tape of the Spirits of St. Louis@Kentucky Colonels contest from February 24th (not the 22nd), 1976 has provided a treasure trove of rare highlights of quite a few noteworthy ABA players. Two who haven't yet received videos include a couple of cult white guys - big afroed Randy Denton and the infamous and talented Johnny Neumann (Mike D'Antoni also played in this game, but had no highlights speak of - not that i'd want to make one) . I've now remedied that situation. At the end of the game, Hubie Brown played Neumann and Bird Averitt in the same backcourt. That's some GOAT shot selection there . . .





I was even able to gather a few plays for a future Jim McDaniels video. That Johnny Neumann vs. Blazermania video I promised about a year ago will still be made
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Post#689 » by Goudelock » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:59 pm

For the longest time, I've noticed that Youtube lacks a very specific kind of video. There are plenty of videos that showcase Magic Johnson, James Worthy, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's individual brilliance. But..........where is the video that's just 20 minutes of Showtime's iconic fastbreaks? Showtime wasn't just Magic running down the court on a 2 on 1 with Worthy after a Kareem rebound. It was a total team philosophy, where any of the perimeter players (PFs included) would bolt down the floor after a miss (and occasionally makes) for easy baskets. So my current project is to do just that, to make a compilation of Showtime fastbreaks that show off all of the players involved, not just the famous 3.

And I feel slightly guilty for not making any Laker-centric videos yet, so this vid would make up for my lack of support for my favorite team.
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Post#690 » by Goudelock » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:35 am



How terrifying must it have been to try to defend a Stockton-Malone-Dantley fastbreak?
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Post#692 » by 70sFan » Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:46 pm

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This video needs separated thread. Outstanding job :)

Do you have a Wilt vs Knicks footage? I thought Simmons didn't tell the truth and it doesn't exist. How much of footage does really exist? I think it would be nice to make separate video about this performance. Of course only with enough footage.
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Post#693 » by Goudelock » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:07 pm

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I love the video. One thing that I'm curious about is why Centers have or less stayed the same height and size, while other positions have grown in height and size. I'm currently researching the 80's, and I'm shocked by how small so many of the guards are compared to today's players, while the centers were still just as large.

Two other things I'd like to talk about:

1: THANK YOU for going into how some people can't distinguish between footage from the 40's and the 60's. That's always been a pet peeve of mine. It doesn't even look like the athletes are playing the same game in those different decades.

2: I do wonder about your last tangent though. Yes, the majority of the centers made it into the hall of fame.......but how much of that was a function of everyone from that era getting into the hall-of-fame like so many of the Celtics of the decade? I'm sorry, but you can't tell me that there players like KC Jones, Bill Sharman, and Bailey Howell deserved to be in the same HOF as Bill Russell and Sam Jones. And were players like Thurmond and Beaty even close to the greatness of Russell and Chamberlain? Granted, that might be more of an issue with the HoF than anything else.
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Post#694 » by CavaliersFTW » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:26 pm

Well I wasn't getting into the merits of their HOF status I was just using it to get people to be more serious about 1960's NBA centers. As it really is factually correct to say the highest density of HOF centers on opposing teams was 1965. I make this statement to make people take a closer look - if they haven't already. Actually I think 1965 through to the early 1970's was the highest density of HOFers for an extended stretch of time. But specifically, 1965 was the exact point it was at it's highest. People always act clueless like "who was Wilt and Russell playing against?" - in a 9 team league if these people can't figure it out I don't know what to tell them there's only so many people they'd have to research lol. Anyways thanks for enjoying the video I appreciate all the feedback you guys give.
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Post#695 » by rebirthoftheM » Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:33 pm



The Myth. The legend. 03 Tmac tearing apart one of the best defensive teams in the NBA. I had the pleasure of seeing him live several times that season. What was most amazing about his game was how mature his offensive skill-set stuff was. Was the best player in 2003 IMO and should have won the MVP. Pity his trainers didn't warn him about bulking up. Really messed him up :(

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Post#696 » by Goudelock » Thu Jul 27, 2017 8:37 pm



The very first Showtime fastbreak.
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Post#697 » by Goudelock » Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:39 am



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Post#698 » by 70sFan » Sun Aug 6, 2017 5:55 pm



My second small project after AD vs Celtics video. Enjoy the last master of true 1940s setshot in action!

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Post#699 » by Goudelock » Sun Aug 6, 2017 8:20 pm

70sFan wrote:

My second small project after AD vs Celtics video. Enjoy the last master of true 1940s setshot in action!

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Nice video! I didn't realize that there was so much footage of Guerin available.

One thing though: His set shot actually looked like a jumpshot to me. He didn't jump very high, but he did seem to get a little bit off of the ground, while also turning his body and landing slightly ahead of where he took off from.
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Post#700 » by 70sFan » Sun Aug 6, 2017 9:21 pm

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My second small project after AD vs Celtics video. Enjoy the last master of true 1940s setshot in action!

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Nice video! I didn't realize that there was so much footage of Guerin available.

One thing though: His set shot actually looked like a jumpshot to me. He didn't jump very high, but he did seem to get a little bit off of the ground, while also turning his body and landing slightly ahead of where he took off from.


When he shot from midrange, he shot jumpshots. From long distance though he didn't jump at all from what I've seen.

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