2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[Prokorov]

Nets manage to dodge a toxic bullet with KCP, him and rich paul can suck a fat one. Now Nets can focus on the real treat, the 2018 rfa class. Or just take a bunch of bad contracts for draft picks so they can reload in 2019 draft all at once.

how exactly is 1 year 18 million dodging a bullet? Crabbe and porter getting matched was dodging bullets.

KCP got 9 million less then proter on 3 less years. that would have been a great contract for us. a prove it contract for a 24 year old 2 way player.

1. 1 year 18 million is a lot of money.
2. KCP is not a 2-way player.

1/18 is not alot of money. 4/106 is alot of money.

KCP is a 2 way player

[Keith Van Horn]

Any interest in Noel? Might not be the best fit for us, but I wonder if there are any possibilities being explored. Could we do a S&T with Mavs if they don't really believe in him? Send them RHJ in a deal among other guys. Why hasn't he been signed... Mavs just waiting to see if he's going to get an offer?

[Hello Brooklyn]

Also KCP is not that young. Hes 24.

When was the last time you saw a huge turnaround by a player that age. He is what he is.

How was that a huge turnaround?

That was just a matter of getting more playing time.

[Prokorov]

Also KCP is not that young. Hes 24.

When was the last time you saw a huge turnaround by a player that age. He is what he is.

How was that a huge turnaround?

That was just a matter of getting more playing time.

he played the exact same amount of minutes (38.7 per game) in 13-14 as he did in 14-15 when he made the jump from role player to all-star

13-14: age 24
13/5/2 on 39 FG/28 3P /76 FT 52TS%

14-15: age 25
20/6/3 on 46/38/83 58 TS%


his numbers were basically identical to KCPs... only KCP was actually a good three point shooter last year while 24 year old butler was not.

age 25 butler exploded as an allstar

[shakendfries]

The Nets are not out of the woods yet in terms of replenishing lost draft picks. Having cap space is going to be a huge luxury that very few teams have so this will be coveted to hold onto.

I think some fans tend to forget that the Nets are rebuilding, the future of the team is not now, it's when they start to get their "real" draft picks back in 2019 and forward.

Imo, an ideal scenario for the Nets is to suck for another couple of years, hoping to land a nice lottery pick in a stacked 2019 draft containing Bagley Jr, RJ Barrett (re-classify), Zion Williamson, Moses Brown, Bol Bol, Antetokounmpo etc.

Ideally the Nets could improve AND land top flight picks/prospects by prospering off the shortsightedness of other GMs

[MrDollarBills]

The Nets aren't going to tank.

[Prokorov]

The Nets are not out of the woods yet in terms of replenishing lost draft picks. Having cap space is going to be a huge luxury that very few teams have so this will be coveted to hold onto.

I think some fans tend to forget that the Nets are rebuilding, the future of the team is not now, it's when they start to get their "real" draft picks back in 2019 and forward.

Imo, an ideal scenario for the Nets is to suck for another couple of years, hoping to land a nice lottery pick in a stacked 2019 draft containing Bagley Jr, RJ Barrett (re-classify), Zion Williamson, Moses Brown, Bol Bol, Antetokounmpo etc.

Ideally the Nets could improve AND land top flight picks/prospects by prospering off the shortsightedness of other GMs

best case scenario:

Nets hold the cap space and maybe take a salary dump for another pick

overachieve and go say, 29-53.

offseason let booker walk. Lin opts in but we trade him for picks at the deadline. Team overachieves with russell having a breakout year. we go like 32-50. we get lucky and move up to #1 or 2 in the draft lotto and draft a star

[Prokorov]

The Nets aren't going to tank.

agreed. but we could be mid to late lotto still without taning and get lucky with the lotto balls... if you look at my tanking thread, thats typically how teams built through the draft. getting lucky in the lotto

[Papi_swav]

Any interest in Noel? Might not be the best fit for us, but I wonder if there are any possibilities being explored. Could we do a S&T with Mavs if they don't really believe in him? Send them RHJ in a deal among other guys. Why hasn't he been signed... Mavs just waiting to see if he's going to get an offer?

Na we already have Allen in his rookie contract that kind of plays the same way as Noel, let him develop. We should be looking at a stretch big man, we don't have one of those now.

[Hello Brooklyn]

How was that a huge turnaround?

That was just a matter of getting more playing time.

he played the exact same amount of minutes (38.7 per game) in 13-14 as he did in 14-15 when he made the jump from role player to all-star

13-14: age 24
13/5/2 on 39 FG/28 3P /76 FT 52TS%

14-15: age 25
20/6/3 on 46/38/83 58 TS%


his numbers were basically identical to KCPs... only KCP was actually a good three point shooter last year while 24 year old butler was not.

age 25 butler exploded as an allstar

You guys are completely misunderstanding what I'm saying.

I'm not saying that a player cannot take a huge jump in production after age 24.

Steph Curry is actually a better example of that than Jimmy Butler.

I'm saying that a player does not change the entire way that they play after age 24.

KCP is a terrible shooter and thats not going to change. He shot sub 40% his 4th year in the league. He's not going to magically change his shot selection and offensive awareness at this stage in his career.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Nets manage to dodge a toxic bullet with KCP, him and rich paul can suck a fat one. Now Nets can focus on the real treat, the 2018 rfa class. Or just take a bunch of bad contracts for draft picks so they can reload in 2019 draft all at once.

how exactly is 1 year 18 million dodging a bullet? Crabbe and porter getting matched was dodging bullets.

KCP got 9 million less then proter on 3 less years. that would have been a great contract for us. a prove it contract for a 24 year old 2 way player.

Nobody is denying that a 1 year 18 million dollar deal would be a good deal for us.

But I don't believe that was on the table for us. Seems like he only wanted to go to the Lakers for that type of contract.

[Prokorov]

How was that a huge turnaround?

That was just a matter of getting more playing time.

he played the exact same amount of minutes (38.7 per game) in 13-14 as he did in 14-15 when he made the jump from role player to all-star

13-14: age 24
13/5/2 on 39 FG/28 3P /76 FT 52TS%

14-15: age 25
20/6/3 on 46/38/83 58 TS%


his numbers were basically identical to KCPs... only KCP was actually a good three point shooter last year while 24 year old butler was not.

age 25 butler exploded as an allstar

You guys are completely misunderstanding what I'm saying.

I'm not saying that a player cannot take a huge jump in production after age 24.

Steph Curry is actually a better example of that than Jimmy Butler.

I'm saying that a player does not change the entire way that they play after age 24.

KCP is a terrible shooter and thats not going to change. He shot sub 40% his 4th year in the league. He's not going to magically change his shot selection and offensive awareness at this stage in his career.

Jimmy butler went from a terrible shooter at age 24: 39% FG 28% three 52TS% to a very good shooter at 25... 46 FG% 38% three 58 TS%

KCP doesnt need to change anything.... other then better shot selection. he is an outstanding shooter off the ball

also, how is kcp a terrible shooter? how is 35% three on 6 attempts terrible?

[Ror1997]

How was that a huge turnaround?

That was just a matter of getting more playing time.

he played the exact same amount of minutes (38.7 per game) in 13-14 as he did in 14-15 when he made the jump from role player to all-star

13-14: age 24
13/5/2 on 39 FG/28 3P /76 FT 52TS%

14-15: age 25
20/6/3 on 46/38/83 58 TS%


his numbers were basically identical to KCPs... only KCP was actually a good three point shooter last year while 24 year old butler was not.

age 25 butler exploded as an allstar

You guys are completely misunderstanding what I'm saying.

I'm not saying that a player cannot take a huge jump in production after age 24.

Steph Curry is actually a better example of that than Jimmy Butler.

I'm saying that a player does not change the entire way that they play after age 24.

KCP is a terrible shooter and thats not going to change. He shot sub 40% his 4th year in the league. He's not going to magically change his shot selection and offensive awareness at this stage in his career.

You don't even know what you're saying. You're talking about a guy having to change his play style, but your argument revolves around him becoming a more efficient shooter. So we've never seen people improve their shooting? That's some sort of rare feat?

[imanshar]

I have a feeling we are involved in the Melo trade. I expect a huge salary dump on us.

[Rich Rane]

Ugh, unless we're getting the Knicks 1st, which would never happen, I want nothing to do with long term salary dumps.

[MrDollarBills]

we don't need to take on any more salary dumps unless the assets tied to it are game changing.

[Hello Brooklyn]

he played the exact same amount of minutes (38.7 per game) in 13-14 as he did in 14-15 when he made the jump from role player to all-star

13-14: age 24
13/5/2 on 39 FG/28 3P /76 FT 52TS%

14-15: age 25
20/6/3 on 46/38/83 58 TS%


his numbers were basically identical to KCPs... only KCP was actually a good three point shooter last year while 24 year old butler was not.

age 25 butler exploded as an allstar

You guys are completely misunderstanding what I'm saying.

I'm not saying that a player cannot take a huge jump in production after age 24.

Steph Curry is actually a better example of that than Jimmy Butler.

I'm saying that a player does not change the entire way that they play after age 24.

KCP is a terrible shooter and thats not going to change. He shot sub 40% his 4th year in the league. He's not going to magically change his shot selection and offensive awareness at this stage in his career.

Jimmy butler went from a terrible shooter at age 24: 39% FG 28% three 52TS% to a very good shooter at 25... 46 FG% 38% three 58 TS%

KCP doesnt need to change anything.... other then better shot selection. he is an outstanding shooter off the ball

also, how is kcp a terrible shooter? how is 35% three on 6 attempts terrible?

Jimmy Butler shot 46% from the field his second year. He already proved he had the ability to do that.

Second off, Butler isn't a great shooter to this day. And he made a massive improvement.

[Hello Brooklyn]

he played the exact same amount of minutes (38.7 per game) in 13-14 as he did in 14-15 when he made the jump from role player to all-star

13-14: age 24
13/5/2 on 39 FG/28 3P /76 FT 52TS%

14-15: age 25
20/6/3 on 46/38/83 58 TS%


his numbers were basically identical to KCPs... only KCP was actually a good three point shooter last year while 24 year old butler was not.

age 25 butler exploded as an allstar

You guys are completely misunderstanding what I'm saying.

I'm not saying that a player cannot take a huge jump in production after age 24.

Steph Curry is actually a better example of that than Jimmy Butler.

I'm saying that a player does not change the entire way that they play after age 24.

KCP is a terrible shooter and thats not going to change. He shot sub 40% his 4th year in the league. He's not going to magically change his shot selection and offensive awareness at this stage in his career.

You don't even know what you're saying. You're talking about a guy having to change his play style, but your argument revolves around him becoming a more efficient shooter. So we've never seen people improve their shooting? That's some sort of rare feat?

LOL. Love the ad hominem attacks.

Really helps prove your point. Especially when I was 100% right about KCP not getting any offers besides the Lakers one, and you were completely wrong.

Yes his FG is low because of his play style. His shot selection is terrible. One of the worst in the league.

Hes also a terrible shooter. Thats why Pistons fans call him brick machine.

Is that hard for you to understand?

[qiantom]

Ugh, unless we're getting the Knicks 1st, which would never happen, I want nothing to do with long term salary dumps.

Yeah, we already have Mozgov's contract that goes to 19-20. I don't know we want two albatrosses like that. But what other team could have the space to take such a salary dump now? Lakers took on KCP and Atlanta Dedmon.

[Hello Brooklyn]

we don't need to take on any more salary dumps unless the assets tied to it are game changing.

Agreed. Hoping for a Baron Davis type deal. That would be ideal.