2018 Pick Watch (Philly, LAL 1 or 6-30, etc)

[BullyKing]

We own our own 1st round pick for sure, right?

This year, yes. Hopefully we lose our 2019 pick because that means SAC landed No. 1.

[Ericb5]

I think the KCP signing is a great thing for us. There was a very small chance that Laker pick was going to be #1 next year. The worst case scenario is the Lakers pick conveys to the Celtics next year because there is no way the Kings are going to be in the 1-5 range the following year (i.e. able to provide us better value if the Lakers pick conveys). At this point we just have to hope with the KCP signing that the Lakers are good enough to end up around the 8-12 spot.

No way that the Kings pick is 1-5 the following year? Why not?

They still have nothing, but unproven young players, and none of their young players have franchise upside.


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They did sign George Hill and I think Buddy Heild is actually a decent shooter but I also think this upward trending of the Kings mainly comes from De'Aaron Fox.

Don't get me wrong, he's a good player. But he's not really a guy who will make people around him better IMO. Which is what Sac would benefit from the most, considering their team is full of two extremes: guys who are about to retire (Randolph, VC) and young players (WCS, Buddy, Skal). Wtf is Sac even trying to do?

Then, you have to factor in the ownership and management into the equation. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. People laud the Kings for their moves recently when in reality, they just weren't the terrible decisions we have become used to seeing from them. It's not like their working miracles out there.

They got an attack-first PG who can't really shoot and can play solid defense. Unfortunately, by rule, there's 4 other guys on the court for the other team who will still be an issue.

Justin Jackson could be the next Andre Roberson with a better mid range game, but is that still really a player to write home about? I think he will be a better scorer than Roberson, but a worse defender. And honestly, that kind of leaves him at not good enough to do either side overly well IMO. Still have that National Championship Game going through my head of him just bricking shot after shot. I want to say he went 0-9 from 3 that game. Fairly open shots for the most part.

If anything, due to their 2018 1st being intact, they should strive to be as bad as possible this year and take on bad contracts like the Nets are, and then try to be competitive the following year when their pick is irrelevant.

But instead they sign George Hill, who I really like as a player, but seems kind of redundant to have him paired with Fox

All that being said, they are a bad team and have a lot of work to do to even win 30 games. Maybe they do it, but the smart money should be on them not doing it.

Fox is their most talented player, and he has star upside, but he would have to over perform significantly to make them win games in the next two years.



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[kingofthecourt67]

No way that the Kings pick is 1-5 the following year? Why not?

They still have nothing, but unproven young players, and none of their young players have franchise upside.


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They did sign George Hill and I think Buddy Heild is actually a decent shooter but I also think this upward trending of the Kings mainly comes from De'Aaron Fox.

Don't get me wrong, he's a good player. But he's not really a guy who will make people around him better IMO. Which is what Sac would benefit from the most, considering their team is full of two extremes: guys who are about to retire (Randolph, VC) and young players (WCS, Buddy, Skal). Wtf is Sac even trying to do?

Then, you have to factor in the ownership and management into the equation. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. People laud the Kings for their moves recently when in reality, they just weren't the terrible decisions we have become used to seeing from them. It's not like their working miracles out there.

They got an attack-first PG who can't really shoot and can play solid defense. Unfortunately, by rule, there's 4 other guys on the court for the other team who will still be an issue.

Justin Jackson could be the next Andre Roberson with a better mid range game, but is that still really a player to write home about? I think he will be a better scorer than Roberson, but a worse defender. And honestly, that kind of leaves him at not good enough to do either side overly well IMO. Still have that National Championship Game going through my head of him just bricking shot after shot. I want to say he went 0-9 from 3 that game. Fairly open shots for the most part.

If anything, due to their 2018 1st being intact, they should strive to be as bad as possible this year and take on bad contracts like the Nets are, and then try to be competitive the following year when their pick is irrelevant.

But instead they sign George Hill, who I really like as a player, but seems kind of redundant to have him paired with Fox

All that being said, they are a bad team and have a lot of work to do to even win 30 games. Maybe they do it, but the smart money should be on them not doing it.

Fox is their most talented player, and he has star upside, but he would have to over perform significantly to make them win games in the next two years.



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Next year has no impact on us, so only worth considering the 2018-2019 season. Fox, Hield, WCS, Bogdanovic, and Skal IMO is a really nice set of young players. All of them will have some level of seasoning by the time that season rolls around. Then factor in George Hill, who is a solid, steadying force that can complement Fox well by playing the combo guard position. I'm bullish on them. Even if they win 30 games, that would have been good for the 6th worst record last year, and I think they can do better than that to around 35-38 games.

[Ericb5]

They did sign George Hill and I think Buddy Heild is actually a decent shooter but I also think this upward trending of the Kings mainly comes from De'Aaron Fox.

Don't get me wrong, he's a good player. But he's not really a guy who will make people around him better IMO. Which is what Sac would benefit from the most, considering their team is full of two extremes: guys who are about to retire (Randolph, VC) and young players (WCS, Buddy, Skal). Wtf is Sac even trying to do?

Then, you have to factor in the ownership and management into the equation. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. People laud the Kings for their moves recently when in reality, they just weren't the terrible decisions we have become used to seeing from them. It's not like their working miracles out there.

They got an attack-first PG who can't really shoot and can play solid defense. Unfortunately, by rule, there's 4 other guys on the court for the other team who will still be an issue.

Justin Jackson could be the next Andre Roberson with a better mid range game, but is that still really a player to write home about? I think he will be a better scorer than Roberson, but a worse defender. And honestly, that kind of leaves him at not good enough to do either side overly well IMO. Still have that National Championship Game going through my head of him just bricking shot after shot. I want to say he went 0-9 from 3 that game. Fairly open shots for the most part.

If anything, due to their 2018 1st being intact, they should strive to be as bad as possible this year and take on bad contracts like the Nets are, and then try to be competitive the following year when their pick is irrelevant.

But instead they sign George Hill, who I really like as a player, but seems kind of redundant to have him paired with Fox

All that being said, they are a bad team and have a lot of work to do to even win 30 games. Maybe they do it, but the smart money should be on them not doing it.

Fox is their most talented player, and he has star upside, but he would have to over perform significantly to make them win games in the next two years.



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Next year has no impact on us, so only worth considering the 2018-2019 season. Fox, Hield, WCS, Bogdanovic, and Skal IMO is a really nice set of young players. All of them will have some level of seasoning by the time that season rolls around. Then factor in George Hill, who is a solid, steadying force that can complement Fox well by playing the combo guard position. I'm bullish on them. Even if they win 30 games, that would have been good for the 6th worst record last year, and I think they can do better than that to around 35-38 games.

That is possible for sure, but the original statement was that they had no chance of being in the bottom five, and I would argue that they have at least a 50% chance of being in the bottom 5.


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[Unbreakable99]

Oh snap. It would have been nice to have the Lakers pick next year no matter what now. Now the Celtics can get Ayton and Bagley if they get our pick.

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[shawn_hemp]

lol, not for nothing, but usually when someone pulls out the "I've been doing ___ since ___"

its a bit longer than 4 years

[XtremeDunkz]

lol, not for nothing, but usually when someone pulls out the "I've been doing ___ since ___"

its a bit longer than 4 years

I thought that was pretty funny too

[smittybanton]

They did sign George Hill and I think Buddy Heild is actually a decent shooter but I also think this upward trending of the Kings mainly comes from De'Aaron Fox.

Don't get me wrong, he's a good player. But he's not really a guy who will make people around him better IMO. Which is what Sac would benefit from the most, considering their team is full of two extremes: guys who are about to retire (Randolph, VC) and young players (WCS, Buddy, Skal). Wtf is Sac even trying to do?

Then, you have to factor in the ownership and management into the equation. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. People laud the Kings for their moves recently when in reality, they just weren't the terrible decisions we have become used to seeing from them. It's not like their working miracles out there.

They got an attack-first PG who can't really shoot and can play solid defense. Unfortunately, by rule, there's 4 other guys on the court for the other team who will still be an issue.

Justin Jackson could be the next Andre Roberson with a better mid range game, but is that still really a player to write home about? I think he will be a better scorer than Roberson, but a worse defender. And honestly, that kind of leaves him at not good enough to do either side overly well IMO. Still have that National Championship Game going through my head of him just bricking shot after shot. I want to say he went 0-9 from 3 that game. Fairly open shots for the most part.

If anything, due to their 2018 1st being intact, they should strive to be as bad as possible this year and take on bad contracts like the Nets are, and then try to be competitive the following year when their pick is irrelevant.

But instead they sign George Hill, who I really like as a player, but seems kind of redundant to have him paired with Fox

All that being said, they are a bad team and have a lot of work to do to even win 30 games. Maybe they do it, but the smart money should be on them not doing it.

Fox is their most talented player, and he has star upside, but he would have to over perform significantly to make them win games in the next two years.



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Next year has no impact on us, so only worth considering the 2018-2019 season. Fox, Hield, WCS, Bogdanovic, and Skal IMO is a really nice set of young players. All of them will have some level of seasoning by the time that season rolls around. Then factor in George Hill, who is a solid, steadying force that can complement Fox well by playing the combo guard position. I'm bullish on them. Even if they win 30 games, that would have been good for the 6th worst record last year, and I think they can do better than that to around 35-38 games.

Next year's draft plays out well for their lack of an impact four or five. Ayton, Bamba, Porter, Carter, now Bagley...

Relatedly, the NBA's thirst for bigs (particularly Boston and Phoenix) should push one of the good wings down to the 6-8 range where the Lakers pick will hopefully be. Replacing Justin Anderson with Miles Bridges would be dope.

[shawn_hemp]

Replacing Justin Anderson with ____ would be dope

Seriously, anybody

[Chris76]

Replacing Justin Anderson with ____ would be dope

Seriously, anybody

Justin Anderson could be a good SG with his athleticism and defense, but he needs a consistent shot and higher bb iq. Almost too much muscle? Anyway, if he improves he could be a poor man's Jimmy Butler?

Nick Stauskus is on the bubble, too. He really improved in many ways last year, once he gained some confidence. He finished shooting well and he started using a midrange game (The Korkman already uses pump fakes) to get easier shots. Maybe Staukus could fight Bayless for the backup PG?

[shawn_hemp]

Replacing Justin Anderson with ____ would be dope

Seriously, anybody

Justin Anderson could be a good SG with his athleticism and defense, but he needs a consistent shot and higher bb iq. Almost too much muscle? Anyway, if he improves he could be a poor man's Jimmy Butler?

Nick Stauskus is on the bubble, too. He really improved in many ways last year, once he gained some confidence. He finished shooting well and he started using a midrange game (The Korkman already uses pump fakes) to get easier shots. Maybe Staukus could fight Bayless for the backup PG?

Yeah idk why I'm so anti-JA, I just don't see him being more than a KJ McDaniels type of player

Stauskas would have to fight TJ for the third pg spot, let alone backup

[Chris76]

Replacing Justin Anderson with ____ would be dope

Seriously, anybody

Justin Anderson could be a good SG with his athleticism and defense, but he needs a consistent shot and higher bb iq. Almost too much muscle? Anyway, if he improves he could be a poor man's Jimmy Butler?

Nick Stauskus is on the bubble, too. He really improved in many ways last year, once he gained some confidence. He finished shooting well and he started using a midrange game (The Korkman already uses pump fakes) to get easier shots. Maybe Staukus could fight Bayless for the backup PG?

Yeah idk why I'm so anti-JA, I just don't see him being more than a KJ McDaniels type of player

Stauskas would have to fight TJ for the third pg spot, let alone backup

KJ was awesome with some highlights, but the bb iq was not there, too. I guess it's difficult to improve, he would of gotten better coaching and playing time with Hinkie. But he took the money and didn't get to play much.

Sorry, I had TJ penciled in as the permanent third PG spot (player/coach).

[ckchen]

Replacing Justin Anderson with ____ would be dope

Seriously, anybody

Justin Anderson could be a good SG with his athleticism and defense, but he needs a consistent shot and higher bb iq. Almost too much muscle? Anyway, if he improves he could be a poor man's Jimmy Butler?

Nick Stauskus is on the bubble, too. He really improved in many ways last year, once he gained some confidence. He finished shooting well and he started using a midrange game (The Korkman already uses pump fakes) to get easier shots. Maybe Staukus could fight Bayless for the backup PG?

Yeah idk why I'm so anti-JA, I just don't see him being more than a KJ McDaniels type of player

Stauskas would have to fight TJ for the third pg spot, let alone backup

People are anti-JA because he ended up basically being a large part of the return for Noel, a far superior player. But it's not his fault he was part of that trade. He's really not as awful as people seem to be making him out to be, especially when we're talking about someone who is playing a backup swingman role on this team. He's far from being this garbage player you make him out to be that could literally be replaced by anyone. If nothing else, he's probably by far the most physical and athletic wing player on the team. Yes, he needs to play smarter and stop taking so many threes if he's not going to make them, but that can be learned, unlike the physical aspects. I've said it before, but I seriously don't see why people are so anti Justin Anderson, it's kind of ridiculous. Typical Philly fans just want someone else (besides BC) to blame for losing Noel and have decided to, kind of unfairly, heap all of that hatred onto Anderson as a target. It's like people can't get over that "this is all we have to show for trading Nerlens" and just use every negative aspect of his game as ammunition.

[the_process]

Justin Anderson could be a good SG with his athleticism and defense, but he needs a consistent shot and higher bb iq. Almost too much muscle? Anyway, if he improves he could be a poor man's Jimmy Butler?

Nick Stauskus is on the bubble, too. He really improved in many ways last year, once he gained some confidence. He finished shooting well and he started using a midrange game (The Korkman already uses pump fakes) to get easier shots. Maybe Staukus could fight Bayless for the backup PG?

Yeah idk why I'm so anti-JA, I just don't see him being more than a KJ McDaniels type of player

Stauskas would have to fight TJ for the third pg spot, let alone backup

People are anti-JA because he ended up basically being a large part of the return for Noel, a far superior player. But it's not his fault he was part of that trade. He's really not as awful as people seem to be making him out to be, especially when we're talking about someone who is playing a backup swingman role on this team. He's far from being this garbage player you make him out to be that could literally be replaced by anyone. If nothing else, he's probably by far the most physical and athletic wing player on the team. Yes, he needs to play smarter and stop taking so many threes if he's not going to make them, but that can be learned, unlike the physical aspects. I've said it before, but I seriously don't see why people are so anti Justin Anderson, it's kind of ridiculous. Typical Philly fans just want someone else (besides BC) to blame for losing Noel and have decided to, kind of unfairly, heap all of that hatred onto Anderson as a target. It's like people can't get over that "this is all we have to show for trading Nerlens" and just use every negative aspect of his game as ammunition.

Gonna have to disagree with you on JA. He's touted for his defense, which looked average-at-best to me. And he's just outright bad offensively at this point. So yeah, there are some bags of balls out there that are more worthy of a roster spot. Hoping BC declines his 4th year option.

[Kobblehead]

Justin Anderson somehow manages to be a plus performer when he's on the court, but he's a rather traitless player.

[Ericb5]

Justin Anderson is ok, but I think that he, and Stauskus are both just place holders while we see what TLC, and Korkmaz can do. So far they are better than those two, but if it becomes obvious that they are being held back then Anderson and Stauskas are going to be cut.


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[smittybanton]

Scott Perry had a strong influence on the Kings during his three months as vice president of basketball operations, according to Ailene Voisin of The Sacramento Bee. Perry left this week to become GM of the Knicks, with Sacramento receiving a 2019 second-round pick and cash considerations in return. During Perry’s time with the Kings, Voison says he pushed for the free agency additions of veterans Zach Randolph, Vince Carter and George Hill and was a “strong advocate” for drafting De’Aaron Fox with the No. 5 pick. “This is a great opportunity for Scott professionally,” said GM Vlade Divac, “and it gets him back east, closer to his daughter. I was not going to stop him. The only thing I feel bad about is that we had everything in place in our front office. Our front office is strong. Now I have to find someone who can come in and do the things Scott did for us.”

Why they all of a sudden started making moves that made sense. But now...

[ckchen]

Gonna have to disagree with you on JA. He's touted for his defense, which looked average-at-best to me. And he's just outright bad offensively at this point. So yeah, there are some bags of balls out there that are more worthy of a roster spot. Hoping BC declines his 4th year option.

I mean this is exactly it. The numbers don't support this type of evaluation at all. "Outright bad" is definitely an exaggeration. He played only slighty above replacement level, but it was still above replacement level. At worst that's league average not worse than a "bag of balls" bad. His shooting was actually pretty good except for his terrible 3 pt shooting, which again can be reined in. Again, outside of 3 pt shooting, there's not that much that you can say about his offensive game that is really all that awful.

[the_process]

Gonna have to disagree with you on JA. He's touted for his defense, which looked average-at-best to me. And he's just outright bad offensively at this point. So yeah, there are some bags of balls out there that are more worthy of a roster spot. Hoping BC declines his 4th year option.

I mean this is exactly it. The numbers don't support this type of evaluation at all. "Outright bad" is definitely an exaggeration. He played only slighty above replacement level, but it was still above replacement level. At worst that's league average not worse than a "bag of balls" bad. His shooting was actually pretty good except for his terrible 3 pt shooting, which again can be reined in. Again, outside of 3 pt shooting, there's not that much that you can say about his offensive game that is really all that awful.

What does he do offensively? He shouldn't be shooting mid range jumpers and he can't shoot threes. On the break, he will almost always be the last option to get the ball. He's not very good at creating his own shot. I think the numbers are somewhat deceptive in his case. Unless you like inefficient offense?