Wizards Summer League/Training Camp thread

[NatP4]

Keene is an abominable defender. Can barely create for others and doesn't seem to like passing... it is a good thing he can score well. Still don't think he deserves a roster spot. Save for Mac and Young don't really see NBA caliber players. Maybe Robinson can eventually, he has some interesting moves and his physical length cannot be denied.

Keene actually has been the best passer on the team by far. Plays pretty feisty on ball defense also in my opinion.

He can be feisty all he wants, he lacks ability and impact. Him being the best passer on this team doesn't really say much. We rarely have remarkable PG play on our SL teams, save for like Wall. Keene also was a turnover machine in college, I think his assist to TO ratio was like 1:1 in his last year... that is pretty unacceptable for a PG. The guy gets more people rooting for him prolly cause he is diminutive then an actual good prospect.

All he has to do is score. He's doing that, and he doesn't play selfish, knows how to play the right way.

[closg00]

Keene is an abominable defender. Can barely create for others and doesn't seem to like passing... it is a good thing he can score well. Still don't think he deserves a roster spot. Save for Mac and Young don't really see NBA caliber players. Maybe Robinson can eventually, he has some interesting moves and his physical length cannot be denied.

There's the rub, will his shooting/scoring be enough to make us look past his bad defense, he will get roasted in the NBA.

[nuposse04]

Keene actually has been the best passer on the team by far. Plays pretty feisty on ball defense also in my opinion.

He can be feisty all he wants, he lacks ability and impact. Him being the best passer on this team doesn't really say much. We rarely have remarkable PG play on our SL teams, save for like Wall. Keene also was a turnover machine in college, I think his assist to TO ratio was like 1:1 in his last year... that is pretty unacceptable for a PG. The guy gets more people rooting for him prolly cause he is diminutive then an actual good prospect.

All he has to do is score. He's doing that, and he doesn't play selfish, knows how to play the right way.

No, he has to be more than an ISO scorer. He won't be that efficient with his shot selection. He doesn't create for others well. His defense will be a detriment to any team he plays on, unless he has rudy gobert behind him. His only redeeming quality is ISO scoring. That is it.

[NatP4]

He can be feisty all he wants, he lacks ability and impact. Him being the best passer on this team doesn't really say much. We rarely have remarkable PG play on our SL teams, save for like Wall. Keene also was a turnover machine in college, I think his assist to TO ratio was like 1:1 in his last year... that is pretty unacceptable for a PG. The guy gets more people rooting for him prolly cause he is diminutive then an actual good prospect.

All he has to do is score. He's doing that, and he doesn't play selfish, knows how to play the right way.

No, he has to be more than an ISO scorer. He won't be that efficient with his shot selection. He doesn't create for others well. His defense will be a detriment to any team he plays on, unless he has rudy gobert behind him. His only redeeming quality is ISO scoring. That is it.

He hasn't scored one bucket in ISO in this game, are you actually watching the game? You just seem like someone that's hating for no reason, he's had a good game

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Not watching. How many points does Keene have?

[NatP4]

Not watching. How many points does Keene have?

Keene has 18, Mac has 13. Everyone else is complete garbage

[nuposse04]

All he has to do is score. He's doing that, and he doesn't play selfish, knows how to play the right way.

No, he has to be more than an ISO scorer. He won't be that efficient with his shot selection. He doesn't create for others well. His defense will be a detriment to any team he plays on, unless he has rudy gobert behind him. His only redeeming quality is ISO scoring. That is it.

He hasn't scored one bucket in ISO in this game, are you actually watching the game? You just seem like someone that's hating for no reason, he's had a good game

I've watched the 2nd half. It hasn't been good. I'm not hating.. I'm just not hoping for him to be better then really is, given his past production and how he actually plays. You are clinging to a cute story more then anything.

[NatP4]

Mac has to reverse that, great pass from Pangos.

Pretty pathetic summer league showing lol, 0-4.

3 potential NBA players: Young, Keene, Mac.

Everyone else is total garbage.

[Tricky_Kid]

Not watching. How many points does Keene have?

Keene has 18, Mac has 13. Everyone else is complete garbage

Young was decent to from most of the time.
Cut Ochefu please

Keene actually has been the best passer on the team by far. Plays pretty feisty on ball defense also in my opinion.

He can be feisty all he wants, he lacks ability and impact. Him being the best passer on this team doesn't really say much. We rarely have remarkable PG play on our SL teams, save for like Wall. Keene also was a turnover machine in college, I think his assist to TO ratio was like 1:1 in his last year... that is pretty unacceptable for a PG. The guy gets more people rooting for him prolly cause he is diminutive then an actual good prospect.

All he has to do is score. He's doing that, and he doesn't play selfish, knows how to play the right way.

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[NatP4]

No, he has to be more than an ISO scorer. He won't be that efficient with his shot selection. He doesn't create for others well. His defense will be a detriment to any team he plays on, unless he has rudy gobert behind him. His only redeeming quality is ISO scoring. That is it.

He hasn't scored one bucket in ISO in this game, are you actually watching the game? You just seem like someone that's hating for no reason, he's had a good game

I've watched the 2nd half. It hasn't been good. I'm not hating.. I'm just not hoping for him to be better then really is, given his past production and how he actually plays. You are clinging to a cute story more then anything.

Nah, I'm just saying he has scored within the flow of the offense, zero ISO ball. Wasn't selfish at all

[NatP4]

Yeah Michael Young has some solid talent to work with. Much better than McCullough

[closg00]

This squad failed to close-out every game, I think the coaching was terrible.

[NatP4]

This squad failed to close-out every game, I think the coaching was terrible.

Posting up Diogu 3 times in a row down the stretch was truly bizarre lol.

[NatP4]

Oh cool, guess we play one more game on Friday. Get one more look at Keene, Young, and Mac

[DCZards]

I have to agree with Nat. Can't ignore what Keene can do on the offensive end. He probably deserves a training camp invite at the minimum.

Yes, Keene is too small to be a good defender at the next level and he doesn't really get his teammates involved. But I suspect people were saying those same things about Isiah Thomas...who to this day is a liability on defense and not much of a playmaker. But's he's an all-star.

[NatP4]

I think the fit is the big thing people need to consider as well. Satoransky is a defensive pass first point guard that struggles with ball handling and off ball shooting, but can defend bigger players and rebound. hypothetically speaking, a combo guard type of player that can score and handle the basketball like a true point but maybe struggles defensively, could potentially be a nice fit to compliment Satoransky. Kind of like some people wanted to see from Trey Burke, but Burke just could not create his own shot or score at all. Many people have talked about the potential fit of Patty Mills and Sato, I think Keene could be a solid fit. Keene also worked really well with Mac these last few games down the stretch.

We could really use a player that can create his own shot off our bench and just light it up. I'm a guy that NEVER buys the hype on small score first players, but Keene can really fill it up.

[gravytrain24]

I havent been able to watch the last two games but has the McCullough and Robinson ship sailed. I hope Keene gets the 2nd two-way roster spot.

[NatP4]

I havent been able to watch the last two games but has the McCullough and Robinson ship sailed. I hope Keene gets the 2nd two-way roster spot.

last two games McCullough has looked like a high school player out there, had a hilarious sequence to start the 2nd half where he gave up 3 straight buckets, turned the ball over and bricked a wide open shot and got benched immediately, he has no NBA future at all. Robinson didn't play much, honestly didn't notice him tonight, still like his potential if he puts on 100 pounds lol.

McCullough is over

[80sballboy]

After watching four games, there is nobody to get excited about, nobody who is a definite rotation player next season. I will give Mac credit for hitting two 3s and actually taking them in the second half. He appears to be all about the drive and doesn't have enough confidence in his 3-point shot yet. Let's face it, with Meeks' injury history, they'll need a guy who can step in for at least 20-30 games as a backup 2. He's a much better fit with Wall and probably Frazier than Sato is, unless Sato comes in with more confidence and a few more pounds in the upper body.

Keene is fun to watch at times and frustrating as well. Robinson abused him several times off the dribble and I'm guessing that Monmouth kid is not an NBA player. I'd like to see him get in the lane more and create on the offensive end. He's definitely worth a training camp invite but not ready to get two-day deal. Young already has it and he's getting better facing the basket. I think he has a chance to be solid; not great if he plays at least 1 year in D-League. I don't think Robinson is worth it. He has shown basically nothing in the SL.

It comes down to what they are going to do with Ocheefu and McCullough. McCullough would be fine if he was on a two-day deal, but he's not close to being a rotation player. Just too weak defensively and doesn't do much from the perimeter. Ochefu can't jump and can't score in bunches but he's a sound passer and solid defender. If we can find a better option who is just as cheap, don't sign him. If not, he's serviceable as a third center.

[NatP4]

yeah it's really tough to watch Michael Young and not see the Millsap similarities. Might actually have a nice future as a versatile defender and face up 4 with high basketball IQ and great all around play. but can he rebound and can he really stay infront of quicker nba guards on switches? somewhat redundant with Morris.

Keene looks like he can legitimately step in and be a microwave scorer like a DJ Augustine, going to be a defensive liability either way, but he has all the tools to on O. nice contrast with Satoransky

Mac looks great to me, he has that knack for creating driving lanes and drawing contact, once again was super efficient tonight scoring in double digits and hitting multiple 3s but only attempting 5 shots. He's already a solid defender that can slide his feet and rebound, has solid bball IQ. biggest question for me also is can he hit the 3 at a high enough clip to be effective off the ball. Nice contrast with Meeks like you said.

think its the year of undrafted players like a lot of experts have been saying. Think those 3 can all be NBA players