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The Zach Lavine Problem

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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#561 » by wonderboy2 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:42 pm

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wonderboy2 wrote:This is not to take a shot at Rose, but why is Lavine recovering quicker. I remember Rose saying that he did not want to return because he was having trouble dunking. Lavine said that he's already dunking but not like before yet. If I remember correctly Adrian Peterson had a quick recovery.Dont understand how there can be so much of a gap with these injuries.


That's probably because Derrick Rose was the former MVP, and the Bulls encouraged him to take as much time as he needed and not to rush back. We are comparing a former MVP who had just signed a max contract, with a player who has yet to sniff an All-Star game and is still on his rookie contract. The motivations from all sides from the player, to management will be vastly different.

In the case of LaVine, the Bulls management wouldn't be in a rush because it's not like they are looking to win as many games this season. Where as from LaVine's point of view, he would be up for an extension so the earlier he comes back and showcases that he is indeed healthy, the better for his future. Eventually they will need to sit down and get on the same page, because I could see this being an issue with the Bulls management imploring him to take his time, and LaVine wanting to get back as soon as possible.

We shall see how it all pans out.

I was talking about in terms of physical progress. I remember Rose around this period said that he had trouble taking off and exlploding off his left leg, if I remember correctly. Lavine already said that he's dunking right now. I was just thinking that maybe rehab for ACL injuries has improved since rose got injured. I was all for Rose taking his time with his injury btw.
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#562 » by wonderboy2 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:44 pm

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wonderboy2 wrote:This is not to take a shot at Rose, but why is Lavine recovering quicker. I remember Rose saying that he did not want to return because he was having trouble dunking. Lavine said that he's already dunking but not like before yet. If I remember correctly Adrian Peterson had a quick recovery.Dont understand how there can be so much of a gap with these injuries.

Some people recover quicker. They are naturally quicker healers. Some people have extra ACL ligament in their knee like Dennis Smith Jr. had. And he started dunking two months after surgery.

http://www.espn.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/116869/torn-acl-was-best-thing-to-happen-to-dennis-smith-nc-state
http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/dennis-smith-jr-is-110-percent-healthy-and-ready-to-lead-nc-state-to-a-big-season-080316

I didnt know having extra ligament in their knee is even possible, but hey around 20% people do. Some people have fear and others dont. Like for some people enough time needs to pass confident to regain trust in their knee, and on first moment of pain they take it as warning sign. People are different.

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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#563 » by kulaz3000 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:53 pm

wonderboy2 wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:
wonderboy2 wrote:This is not to take a shot at Rose, but why is Lavine recovering quicker. I remember Rose saying that he did not want to return because he was having trouble dunking. Lavine said that he's already dunking but not like before yet. If I remember correctly Adrian Peterson had a quick recovery.Dont understand how there can be so much of a gap with these injuries.


That's probably because Derrick Rose was the former MVP, and the Bulls encouraged him to take as much time as he needed and not to rush back. We are comparing a former MVP who had just signed a max contract, with a player who has yet to sniff an All-Star game and is still on his rookie contract. The motivations from all sides from the player, to management will be vastly different.

In the case of LaVine, the Bulls management wouldn't be in a rush because it's not like they are looking to win as many games this season. Where as from LaVine's point of view, he would be up for an extension so the earlier he comes back and showcases that he is indeed healthy, the better for his future. Eventually they will need to sit down and get on the same page, because I could see this being an issue with the Bulls management imploring him to take his time, and LaVine wanting to get back as soon as possible.

We shall see how it all pans out.

I was talking about in terms of physical progress. I remember Rose around this period said that he had trouble taking off and exlploding off his left leg, if I remember correctly. Lavine already said that he's dunking right now. I was just thinking that maybe rehab for ACL injuries has improved since rose got injured. I was all for Rose taking his time with his injury btw.


Isn't the timeline of the injuries totally different though? Derrick injured himself in the first round of the playoffs, and Lavine suffered his injury was in early Feb.
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#564 » by WindyCityBorn » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:00 am

Hell yes. Even if Lavine doesn't play to start the season it looks he will play the majority of the years. Can't wait to him, Markkanen and Dunn in our new fast paced offense.
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#565 » by WindyCityBorn » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:02 am

Jcool0 wrote:
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This is for all of you that say Lavine is just a trade piece. No he is a cornerstone of the rebuilding effort.
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#566 » by Paxson43 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:07 am

LaVine certainly is the cornerstone of the Butler trade. If Dunn progresses like we hope he will, then that's icing on the cake. If Markkanen winds up being a player... that's the cherry on top!
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#567 » by kingkirk » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:10 am

If LaVine, a guy coming off an ACL injury and is about to get paid is a cornerstone of a rebuild, said rebuild isn't off to a great start.
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#568 » by MC3 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:14 am

I just hope Bulls dont start another relationship with their star on bad foot. I think we had enough of that :nonono: If kid is ready to play, let him play. Dont make a fuss about it and stand behind him as a goddamn 6x winning franchise.
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#569 » by Paxson43 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:33 am

Mark K wrote:If LaVine, a guy coming off an ACL injury and is about to get paid is a cornerstone of a rebuild, said rebuild isn't off to a great start.


22 year old budding star? I'm more than willing to wait and see.
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Post#570 » by kingkirk » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:15 am

Paxson43 wrote:22 year old budding star? I'm more than willing to wait and see.


Budding star? Eh, not really. Not until he learns how to become passable on defense, assuming he'll be able to once he comes back from an ACL injury.
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#571 » by Paxson43 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:23 am

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Paxson43 wrote:22 year old budding star? I'm more than willing to wait and see.


Budding star? Eh, not really. Not until he learns how to become passable on defense, assuming he'll be able to once he comes back from an ACL injury.


*shrug* if you say so.
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#572 » by Chi » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:39 am

It's a shame we only have 1 thread about our best player and it's title is about how he's a "Problem" ... Smh :nonono:
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#573 » by Chi » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:40 am

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Paxson43 wrote:22 year old budding star? I'm more than willing to wait and see.


Budding star? Eh, not really. Not until he learns how to become passable on defense, assuming he'll be able to once he comes back from an ACL injury.


Yea because we all know how Great of defenders all the Stars are in this league...
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#574 » by kingkirk » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:00 am

Chi wrote:Yea because we all know how Great of defenders all the Stars are in this league...


When LaVine becomes an offensive force like Harden or Westbrook, we can forgive his horrible defense.

If he maxes out to being a Bradley Beal level offensive player with his current defense, that's a problem.
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#575 » by DanTown8587 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:28 am

Zach Lavine is like 45% of the player Jimmy Butler is (and that's pre-ACL injury) and the Bulls are probably going to pay him 90%+ of what Jimmy's next deal is; that should be a much larger problem to some considering the reason to trade Jimmy was to get younger, higher upside players who are on rookie deals, not get youth that needs to get paid their second contract and is multiple tiers below Jimmy.

I feel bad for the fans who think that this Jimmy trade was about the franchise doing a "full rebuild" when from all appearances, they're in it for the money and they're going to use the guise of a rebuild to convince fans when by no real measure other than trading Jimmy are they "rebuilding".
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#576 » by bulliedog8 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:29 am

Lavines best role would be a super 6 man. Unfortunately the bulls dont have a true starter at sg so lavine will have to do going forward. Valentine I hope can end up being a good role player, but we will see on that.
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#577 » by Chi » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:33 am

Mark K wrote:
Chi wrote:Yea because we all know how Great of defenders all the Stars are in this league...


When LaVine becomes an offensive force like Harden or Westbrook, we can forgive his horrible defense.

If he maxes out to being a Bradley Beal level offensive player with his current defense, that's a problem.


Not sure what your definition of "Budding" star is...

But Lavine fits mine...
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#578 » by Chi » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:34 am



The Bulls alleged "Problem" ... :roll:
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#579 » by bulliedog8 » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:36 am

Chi wrote:
Mark K wrote:
Chi wrote:Yea because we all know how Great of defenders all the Stars are in this league...


When LaVine becomes an offensive force like Harden or Westbrook, we can forgive his horrible defense.

If he maxes out to being a Bradley Beal level offensive player with his current defense, that's a problem.


Not sure what your definition of "Budding" star is...

But Lavine fits mine...


Not sure about Mark K, but for me, a star needs to have a positive on the court impact. Lavine has never been an on court positive. Hopefully that changes though but I doubt it.
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Re: The Zach Lavine Problem 

Post#580 » by Chi » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:45 am

bulliedog8 wrote:
Chi wrote:
Mark K wrote:
When LaVine becomes an offensive force like Harden or Westbrook, we can forgive his horrible defense.

If he maxes out to being a Bradley Beal level offensive player with his current defense, that's a problem.


Not sure what your definition of "Budding" star is...

But Lavine fits mine...


Not sure about Mark K, but for me, a star needs to have a positive on the court impact. Lavine has never been an on court positive. Hopefully that changes though but I doubt it.


Nobody on Minnesota has made a positive impact on the court. Rubio, Towns?

They all have the same win/loss record so far...

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