Rumors Surfacing of Houston, Portland, NYK Trade

TBpup · Post #121 » by **TBpup** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:19 pm

If Lee/O'Quinn were coming in and Harkless/Leonard were going out, what would you think?

soobias · Post #122 » by **soobias** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:26 pm

is that whats going to happen

TBpup · Post #123 » by **TBpup** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:29 pm

All of those names have been mentioned along with Olshey's old buddy Gordon.

soobias · Post #124 » by **soobias** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:41 pm

i think NYK and houston both should send us pics lol

soobias · Post #125 » by **soobias** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:42 pm

if we get anderson, lee , o'quinn... we're going to look like a poor mans GSW LMAO

Blazinaway · Post #126 » by **Blazinaway** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:00 pm

TBpup wrote:If Lee/O'Quinn were coming in and Harkless/Leonard were going out, what would you think?

I think Oquinn could be easily moved if we wanted with his good contract and play, Lee is ok, would likely look to move Davis quickly or I think Oquinn could be a good fit in Boston

Wizenheimer · Post #127 » by **Wizenheimer** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:00 pm

TBpup wrote:If Lee/O'Quinn were coming in and Harkless/Leonard were going out, what would you think?

TBpup wrote:All of those names have been mentioned along with Olshey's old buddy Gordon.

Lee & O'Quinn for Harkless & Leonard?

well, it cuts the payroll by about 3.3M and the tax by 9-10M, so there's that, although that doesn't do anything for the fans. And it would probably chop a good chunk off of the 2017-18 tax liability

I'd say it would be better then getting Anderson; at least Lee would replace some of the perimeter defense lost from moving Harkless. I'd say Lee and O'Quinn are probably both close to the same level as Harkess, but neither is as versatile. But it would essentially be a 1 for 2 trade in terms of depth if you disregard Meyers, and that's warranted. It would be trading a starter for two bench players though

I'd also say it creates some logjams. Davis and O'Quinn play similar roles. Crabbe and Lee do too although Lee has more dimensions to his game. I would then hope that there were more trades on the horizon. The biggest drawback, IMO, would be that moving Harkless would probably open up more minutes for Turner and I really don't like what he brings to the floor

Blazinaway wrote:I think Oquinn could be easily moved if we wanted with his good contract and play, Lee is ok, would likely look to move Davis quickly or I think Oquinn could be a good fit in Boston

his contract is small, but I don't think it's that good. He has a player option for next season so he can't be viewed as more then an expiring contract and a rental. If Portland decides to trade one of Davis/O'Quinn, the Davis contract, being significantly larger would offer more options

Goldbum · Post #128 » by **Goldbum** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:37 pm

Well if they trade him won't have to listen to our douche' color commentator say "Mo Harkless-Mo Problems..." what a tool.

GEE · Post #129 » by **GEE** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:37 pm

Surely Olshey can do a better job than this. With Dame entering his prime, I don't want our team to get younger, so I really don't care about getting draft picks back in any trades. I would rather simply give up a pick or two, to offload a bad contract or two to a rebuilding team. Something like (and not necessarily this) Wade for Crabbe / Leonard 2018 & 2020 1st.

Sounds like Harkless is going to New York. Maybe Olshey will join him. :banghead:

Edit: And like Wiz pointed out, two back-ups for our young starting SF that keeps getting better. :banghead:

PDXKnight · Post #130 » by **PDXKnight** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:45 pm

TBpup wrote:If Lee/O'Quinn were coming in and Harkless/Leonard were going out, what would you think?

While I don't think they're better than what we send out I do really like oquinn. He's an underrated defender and rebounder imo

Butter · Post #131 » by **Butter** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:29 am

TBpup wrote:
Butter wrote:Where is TBPup when we need him?

He is very busy with investment work. I have been in touch with a contact back East who is much closer to the Nets than to the Knicks but still has been a good source of information. He said that if Portland was interested in just Anderson, the deal would have been done long ago. They don't feel like getting him does anything to alleviate their cap situation and would rather have 2 smaller bad contracts than 1 bigger one.

He thinks the Blazers might do something like that if draft picks or similar asset were included. He thinks the Knicks want Harkless and Portland doesn't want to give him up. The search for a 4th team is because there are some pieces that no one is interested in and they have to find another way to make it work which is why it is taking so long.

From the discussion, I don't hold out much hope that there is anything that happens very much in Portland's favor and that we might not like what eventually happens.

Lol, that was like a genie in a bottle, but without the three wishes.

Thanks for chiming in man, always appreciate your insight!

DusterBuster · Post #132 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:30 am

Oden2 wrote:
TBpup wrote:If Lee/O'Quinn were coming in and Harkless/Leonard were going out, what would you think?

While I don't think they're better than what we send out I do really like oquinn. He's an underrated defender and rebounder imo

Lee is a bit underrated as well. He's a solid defender, a 40% 3pt shooter and a good lockerroom vet by all accounts.

Like I've mentioned as the season was ending, I had expected Harkless could likely be traded this summer, so I'm not really as surprised or upset by this development. He's a nice young player and all, but.... he's far from irreplaceable. Remember, he didn't get a single bite on his RFA status last summer, so even as much as he's improved, his overall trade value may not be much more than a middling 1st rounder really. Considering the logjam at the 3/4, I can be sold on using Mo to finally get rid of Meyers.

Norm2953 · Post #133 » by **Norm2953** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:03 am

With Hardeway Jr in NY, the Knicks are going to want to move Lee. Portland would likely
need to move O'Quinn unless they decide to park Collins in the G league.

I would prefer we keep the team together to see how the team looks with a fully integrated
Nurkic. Dumping a productive player in Harkless just to save $3 Million off our cap leaves
me cold for a productive team that is playing well with those supposedly toxic players
might lead to better offers if the team has any faith in those players.

PDXKnight · Post #134 » by **PDXKnight** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:23 am

Norm2953 wrote:With Hardeway Jr in NY, the Knicks are going to want to move Lee. Portland would likely
need to move O'Quinn unless they decide to park Collins in the G league.

I would prefer we keep the team together to see how the team looks with a fully integrated
Nurkic. Dumping a productive player in Harkless just to save $3 Million off our cap leaves
me cold for a productive team that is playing well with those supposedly toxic players
might lead to better offers if the team has any faith in those players.

Why not just keep Oquinn? He's got 2 years left (2nd year is a PO) and he's on a very cap friendly contract. I'm not expecting Collins to look like an NBA ready center this season anyhow so Oquinn is a nice short term way to shore up some bench help for Nurkic and perhaps Collins can play PF with his shooting ability anyhow. Per 36 is 14.5 pts, 12.9 rebounds, and 3 blocks. Personally I'd LOVE to have this kind of production off the bench next season.

Norm2953 · Post #135 » by **Norm2953** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:00 am

A healthy Ed Davis is a similar player to O'Quinn and he's an expiring contract.

Butter · Post #136 » by **Butter** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:44 am

TBpup wrote:FWIW, Mo's Twitter account has been cleared and all that is left is a NY skyline and a little kid wearing Knicks colors.

Wickzki · Post #137 » by **Wickzki** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:48 am

Norm2953 wrote:A healthy Ed Davis is a similar player to O'Quinn and he's an expiring contract.

Surely we'd then be able to move Ed for help in a position we're deficient on depth.

I don't see us going to any great length to re-signing Ed. So getting someone in on a longer cap friendly deal would be a good move.

Waynearchetype · Post #138 » by **Waynearchetype** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:28 am

Butter wrote:
TBpup wrote:FWIW, Mo's Twitter account has been cleared and all that is left is a NY skyline and a little kid wearing Knicks colors.

Don't freak out, it has been that way for a few months now apparently. Not that he won't get traded, but this isn't a recent development.

bob2 · Post #139 » by **bob2** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:10 pm

TBpup wrote:If Lee/O'Quinn were coming in and Harkless/Leonard were going out, what would you think?

If this is a 4 team trade, I could see something like:

Portland trades Crabbe, Harkless and Leonard and gets Anderson, Lee and O'Quinn
Houston trades Anderson and gets Melo
NY trades Melo, Lee, O'Quinn and gets Crabbe, Harkless and player Y
Team X trades player Y and gets Leonard

Of course picks could be included too (from Houston probably)

Portland could save 50M$ in tax over the next 3 years without losing depth.

TBpup · Post #140 » by **TBpup** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 12:49 pm

Harkless is who the Knicks have wanted from the beginning and they have put pressure on HOU to make it work so that is who they get if the Rockets want 'Melo. No one really wants Anderson out of the deal but for Portland, the cost of getting rid of some of the other contracts was Harkless if that is the way it goes down. Olshey having to pay for last summer's spending.