2017 Summer Bulls - Merged

rowseyna · Post #541 » by **rowseyna** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:59 pm

rowseyna wrote:

For the record, those times are local to Vegas. The Bulls play at 10PM Eastern/9PM Central.

sco · Post #542 » by **sco** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:01 pm

Misc points:

1) Heard Gar last night specifically NOT mention Valentine in PG competition. I think he's penciled in at SG/SF.

2) If SL is any indication of Hoiball (post Butler), it's definitely push the ball and shoot 3's early in clock. I think big problem that hasn't been discussed is lower shooting %'s due to fatigue of track meet.

3) I have noted a focus on defensive intensity - more than recent years. Not that it has meant better defense, but I'm seeing more effort and fewer uncontested shots.

Paxson43 · Post #543 » by **Paxson43** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:31 pm

sco wrote:Misc points:

1) Heard Gar last night specifically NOT mention Valentine in PG competition. I think he's penciled in at SG/SF.

2) If SL is any indication of Hoiball (post Butler), it's definitely push the ball and shoot 3's early in clock. I think big problem that hasn't been discussed is lower shooting %'s due to fatigue of track meet.

3) I have noted a focus on defensive intensity - more than recent years. Not that it has meant better defense, but I'm seeing more effort and fewer uncontested shots.

I think Valentine is targeted for the 3 at this point if you look at his height/weight/length combination. Plus he can handle the ball and has better vision/a better shot than Paul Zipser. I think the future is Dunn/LaVine/Valentine/Markkanen/Lopez (until Lopez probably gets traded in the near future).

It's definitely push the ball, but they're focusing on the extra pass and playing unselfish ball (post Butler). It's fun basketball to watch and tough to defend when it's running smoothly (think Golden State).

Our defense is solid, it's a lot of switching (which can get you burned) but regardless we still were 6th in the league last season.

Post #544 » by **Ice Man** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:30 pm

LIfe as a 2017 Bulls fan means failing at everything. From today's ESPN article on the Summer League -

Most disappointing NBA veterans
Chicago Bulls' veterans
The Bulls are the defending summer league champions, and with several first-round picks on the roster they figured to be contenders to repeat. Instead, Chicago got smashed by a combined 36 points in its first two games before getting a win Tuesday.
Rookie Lauri Markkanen led the summer Bulls in that game, with Denzel Valentine the only veteran to suit up. He shot 6-of-21, improving his shooting percentage to 27.2 percent this week.
Though he played well defensively, Kris Dunn shot 3-of-12 in his only appearance and Cameron Payne didn't show much improvement from last year's frustrating sophomore season.

DerrickNoah · Post #545 » by **DerrickNoah** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:35 pm

Looks like the game is on espn 2

Hangtime84 · Post #546 » by **Hangtime84** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:44 pm

NZB2323 wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:For the love of Christ.

Read on Twitter

I'm so glad that we traded him for 3.5 million

/management.

#FireGarPax

Dude that's a ownership move.

Paxson43 · Post #547 » by **Paxson43** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:46 pm

Hangtime84 wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:
AshyLarrysDiaper wrote:For the love of Christ.

Read on Twitter

I'm so glad that we traded him for 3.5 million

/management.

#FireGarPax

Dude that's a ownership move.

Seriously.

kodo · Post #548 » by **kodo** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:02 pm

Paxson43 wrote:
Hangtime84 wrote:
NZB2323 wrote:
I'm so glad that we traded him for 3.5 million

/management.

#FireGarPax

Dude that's a ownership move.

Seriously.

Yep.

The bulls are owned by a man who said he'd trade all 6 of Michael Jordan's championship for just 1 world series trip for his White Sox.

We all should get used to this kind of management.

rowseyna · Post #549 » by **rowseyna** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:11 pm

https://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/comments/6mus2d/cowley_bulls_have_pulled_the_plug_on_payne_project/?st=j51a0urx&sh=eb4410a3

According to Joe Cowley, the Bulls are done with Payne... Says they'll cut him and go with Dunn as the starter at PG (and presumably have Grant back him up).

WestsideResider · Post #550 » by **WestsideResider** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:13 pm

Read on Twitter

sigh. Exactly the type of player we need next to Lauri. Could have just not gave Felicio so much damn money.

PrimzyBulls81 · Post #551 » by **PrimzyBulls81** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:22 pm

Idiots from FO really pissed me off with J.Bell SELL.. he would be perfect for this team going forward.

ATRAIN53 · Post #552 » by **ATRAIN53** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:26 pm

Trying to remind myself it's only Summer League, but still

Read on Twitter

note AirJordan in that logo. best part.
nobody creating any twitters for any of our rookies...

Remember Things James Johnson could.... :lol:

MrFortune3 · Post #553 » by **MrFortune3** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:31 pm

rowseyna wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/comments/6mus2d/cowley_bulls_have_pulled_the_plug_on_payne_project/?st=j51a0urx&sh=eb4410a3

According to Joe Cowley, the Bulls are done with Payne... Says they'll cut him and go with Dunn as the starter at PG (and presumably have Grant back him up).

Even our FO is not that stupid.

Paxson43 wrote:
sco wrote:Misc points:

1) Heard Gar last night specifically NOT mention Valentine in PG competition. I think he's penciled in at SG/SF.

2) If SL is any indication of Hoiball (post Butler), it's definitely push the ball and shoot 3's early in clock. I think big problem that hasn't been discussed is lower shooting %'s due to fatigue of track meet.

3) I have noted a focus on defensive intensity - more than recent years. Not that it has meant better defense, but I'm seeing more effort and fewer uncontested shots.

I think Valentine is targeted for the 3 at this point if you look at his height/weight/length combination. Plus he can handle the ball and has better vision/a better shot than Paul Zipser. I think the future is Dunn/LaVine/Valentine/Markkanen/Lopez (until Lopez probably gets traded in the near future).

It's definitely push the ball, but they're focusing on the extra pass and playing unselfish ball (post Butler). It's fun basketball to watch and tough to defend when it's running smoothly (think Golden State).

Our defense is solid, it's a lot of switching (which can get you burned) but regardless we still were 6th in the league last season.

That's been my thought process on Val for some time. There is too much of a logjam for him to play anywhere else.

sco · Post #554 » by **sco** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:45 pm

MrFortune3 wrote:
rowseyna wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/comments/6mus2d/cowley_bulls_have_pulled_the_plug_on_payne_project/?st=j51a0urx&sh=eb4410a3

According to Joe Cowley, the Bulls are done with Payne... Says they'll cut him and go with Dunn as the starter at PG (and presumably have Grant back him up).

Even our FO is not that stupid.

He's been beyond bad, but the new CBA allows for 2 extra roster slots for G-League. Chicago is the opposite of Sinatra's New York - If you can't make it here, you won't make it anywhere...Da Bullz.

I like just focusing on developing Dunn. Problem with Dunn is that he is a terrible pairing with Wade (assuming he's around for at least half a season). If we are starting Wade, we probably need to start Grant. Dunn/Lavine, Holiday, Valentine are all better pairings because those 3 have 3pt range, which will make Dunn's development much easier.

MrFortune3 · Post #555 » by **MrFortune3** » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:03 pm

sco wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
rowseyna wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/chicagobulls/comments/6mus2d/cowley_bulls_have_pulled_the_plug_on_payne_project/?st=j51a0urx&sh=eb4410a3

According to Joe Cowley, the Bulls are done with Payne... Says they'll cut him and go with Dunn as the starter at PG (and presumably have Grant back him up).

Even our FO is not that stupid.

He's been beyond bad, but the new CBA allows for 2 extra roster slots for G-League. Chicago is the opposite of Sinatra's New York - If you can't make it here, you won't make it anywhere...Da Bullz.

I like just focusing on developing Dunn. Problem with Dunn is that he is a terrible pairing with Wade (assuming he's around for at least half a season). If we are starting Wade, we probably need to start Grant. Dunn/Lavine, Holiday, Valentine are all better pairings because those 3 have 3pt range, which will make Dunn's development much easier.

Floor spacing will come from Lauri, Niko and LaVine so it's not a huge issue to pair Dunn with Wade.

Jcool0 · Post #556 » by **Jcool0** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 4:08 am

Read on Twitter

Chi · Post #557 » by **Chi** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:11 am

Read on Twitter

That's passion... :lol:

Post #558 » by **kulaz3000** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:19 am

Chi wrote:

Read on Twitter

That's passion...

I didn't watch the game, so others seeing this action during the game probably has more insight, but just from looking at this it doesn't look like there were any malicious intent, he was just trying to get him in the right spot but it looked worse because of the force that he shoved his teammate. Usually, teammates give a nudge, or point to where the teammate should be, not shove them with such force.

I don't think it's a big deal at all, and thinking from the side of the teammate who was shoved, I wouldn't have taken any offense to it at all and probably would of had a laugh with Denzel about it after the game. In the heat of the moment, teammates argue, instruct each other and all that type of stuff, this doesn't seem all that negative at all.

MrFortune3 · Post #559 » by **MrFortune3** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:01 am

kulaz3000 wrote:
Chi wrote:

Read on Twitter

That's passion...

I didn't watch the game, so others seeing this action during the game probably has more insight, but just from looking at this it doesn't look like there were any malicious intent, he was just trying to get him in the right spot but it looked worse because of the force that he shoved his teammate. Usually, teammates give a nudge, or point to where the teammate should be, not shove them with such force.

I don't think it's a big deal at all, and thinking from the side of the teammate who was shoved, I wouldn't have taken any offense to it at all and probably would of had a laugh with Denzel about it after the game. In the heat of the moment, teammates argue, instruct each other and all that type of stuff, this doesn't seem all that negative at all.

That looked more like a "*****! didn't I tell you to get your ass back there on D?"
Which considering how Val cannot guard a paper bag weighed down by brick is hilarious. :lol:

XxMisterFreakXx · Post #560 » by **XxMisterFreakXx** » Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:13 am

MrFortune3 wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:
Chi wrote:

Read on Twitter

That's passion...

I didn't watch the game, so others seeing this action during the game probably has more insight, but just from looking at this it doesn't look like there were any malicious intent, he was just trying to get him in the right spot but it looked worse because of the force that he shoved his teammate. Usually, teammates give a nudge, or point to where the teammate should be, not shove them with such force.

I don't think it's a big deal at all, and thinking from the side of the teammate who was shoved, I wouldn't have taken any offense to it at all and probably would of had a laugh with Denzel about it after the game. In the heat of the moment, teammates argue, instruct each other and all that type of stuff, this doesn't seem all that negative at all.

That looked more like a "*****! didn't I tell you to get your ass back there on D?"
Which considering how Val cannot guard a paper bag weighed down by brick is hilarious.

Valentine said he's trying to be a better leader on the floor and etc and does that? Likes seriously hows that being a leader that's more like being a **** ****. I get the other dude was being a dumb-ass but **** man that's really uncalled for.