Melo Trade Thread "Ice Cube Family movie edition"

[VirginiaKnickFan]

I still feel this will drag until late July to early August. I think Knicks like this Zhou Qi guy and he is restricted from trade until August 5th. Maybe they agree on a deal before and then make it official on August 5th.

I doubt Qi is the type of player that would hold up a deal.

[putiger78]

The way I see things is that Houston is looking to do two things as part of this deal... get Melo AND unload Anderson. Obviously, the Anderson contract is a necessity to include to make the money work in any deal. Before the Melo talks, the asking price for teams to take Anderson was two 1sts, so the cost to get Melo AND unload Anderson has to be really high, even with Melo's diminished value. Because the Rockets really don't have ANY meaningful assets after the Paul trade, I have to assume that both picks (20 and 22) and a 21 pick swap are on the table.

I assume that if the trade were the picks and expirings (even those expiring in two years), this deal would be done in a straight up deal. However, I am assuming we balked at taking Anderson even to get those two picks. So now, these extra teams are involved to try ad find someone that finds taking Anderson less odious than we do (the Blazers are the obvious candidate because they have so many 3-year deals to medicore players.

With Portland, if they are willing to trade Harkless and take Anderson, that is really unfair. So what are they getting? I have to assume they want to get rid of Crabbe or Turner, who maybe are more attractive than Anderson to someone (the 4th team?). So then you have Harkless + Crabbe/Turner for Anderson.... does that work for them to get the salary relief or do they want some kind of asset in addition? Do they want one of Houston's two picks, now making our deal look worse.

Now we need a 4th team, someone who potentially is willing to take Crabbe or Turner (but wouldn't take Anderson), might be willing to send out an asset that we want (all of a sudden, our return isn't as good because Portland is grabbing one of Houston's picks or some other asset), but is going to want real assets to do this (one of Houston's picks, someone's expirings, some other player).

It's so damn complicated. Why? Go back to the beginning... Houston is looking to get the best player and dump the worst contract in all these discussions, but have really minimal assets after the Paul trade. Doesn't make them a good trade partner. Houston is trying to satisfy the contrasting needs of three teams and somehow create value out of thin air. It is no surprise this is taking forever.

They gave up top much for Cp3.
If they had Beverley now this trade would be easier.

I think we can find better trade with Cleveland.
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Portland sends Harkless+Crabbe+Zack Collins(#10)+future protected 1st round pick to Knicks.
Portland also sends this years #26 pick to Cavs.
Knicks send Melo to Cavs
Cavs send K.Love to Portland.

We get Crabbe and Harkless. Their contract doesnt seem good but they re young. We also get #10 pick. Good defensive big men along Kp.

Cavs recieve Melo and #26 pick for K.Love. Slight loss on this trade.

Portland gets 3rd star along Lillard-Mccolum. And they send some big contracts away. They lose this years picks but that should be ok for them. It lets them compete at high level.
Lillard-mccollum-aminu-love-nurkic

I agree that the Cavs are a better trade partner, especially if they are willing to part with Love, but two places I disagree:
- I don't think the Cavs value Melo over Love, so would want more than a straight up swap.
- If we won't take ANderson, why would we take Crabbe, who has an equally bad contract and plays the same position as the guy we just signed and at a position we already have $30MM/year committed to counting Lee?

[2010]

can we stop using trey rodriguez as a source...at least kidd's son has a source and we know who it is. Trey rodriguez come on peeps

Who is Kidd Jr.'s source?

[putiger78]

The way I see things is that Houston is looking to do two things as part of this deal... get Melo AND unload Anderson. Obviously, the Anderson contract is a necessity to include to make the money work in any deal. Before the Melo talks, the asking price for teams to take Anderson was two 1sts, so the cost to get Melo AND unload Anderson has to be really high, even with Melo's diminished value. Because the Rockets really don't have ANY meaningful assets after the Paul trade, I have to assume that both picks (20 and 22) and a 21 pick swap are on the table.

I assume that if the trade were the picks and expirings (even those expiring in two years), this deal would be done in a straight up deal. However, I am assuming we balked at taking Anderson even to get those two picks. So now, these extra teams are involved to try ad find someone that finds taking Anderson less odious than we do (the Blazers are the obvious candidate because they have so many 3-year deals to medicore players.

With Portland, if they are willing to trade Harkless and take Anderson, that is really unfair. So what are they getting? I have to assume they want to get rid of Crabbe or Turner, who maybe are more attractive than Anderson to someone (the 4th team?). So then you have Harkless + Crabbe/Turner for Anderson.... does that work for them to get the salary relief or do they want some kind of asset in addition? Do they want one of Houston's two picks, now making our deal look worse.

Now we need a 4th team, someone who potentially is willing to take Crabbe or Turner (but wouldn't take Anderson), might be willing to send out an asset that we want (all of a sudden, our return isn't as good because Portland is grabbing one of Houston's picks or some other asset), but is going to want real assets to do this (one of Houston's picks, someone's expirings, some other player).

It's so damn complicated. Why? Go back to the beginning... Houston is looking to get the best player and dump the worst contract in all these discussions, but have really minimal assets after the Paul trade. Doesn't make them a good trade partner. Houston is trying to satisfy the contrasting needs of three teams and somehow create value out of thin air. It is no surprise this is taking forever.

Translation: Morey will forever be a d!ckhole

It's hard to screw over one team a ton, so he is trying to screw over three times a little. Smart strategy.

[Jalen Bluntson]

For some reason, as they get closer to trading Melo, I'm getting sad. He wasn't perfect but he's one of the best players in NYK history.

And he wanted to be here. No matter how bad we were/are he was a New York Knick through and through. We all talk about how stars don't wanna come to New York, well we have a star that wanted to be here and wanted to stay here.

He wanted out of Denver and wanted his max extension before the CBA expired. He would have gone to Brooklyn if we didn't trade for him. He said so himself. That's not wanting to be a Knick no matter what. That's about wanting his money and out of Denver.

He shopped himself in FA and teams didn't have enough. He almost went to **** but, Jackson didn't want the scraps they offered. Melo took a max with a NTC plus a kicker to stay. That's not wanting to be here no matter what. That's wanting money.

He forced a bidding war to come here. That made it more difficult to build around. He didn't want to play in the system that was ALREADY here. We switched direction. He was gonna leave and then, left nothing on the table to add another star. Got his max (with the NTC and Kicker). Again, making it hard to build around him. He wanted to win now but, didn't help that cause EVER.

Let's appreciate what he can do as a player. Let's admit the team made several mistakes since the trade that sabotaged efforts to win. Let's not worship Melo for things that simply are not true. Other than SAYING he wants to win here, his actions have shown that was NOT his priority. Then he wanted a buyout. This team and its fans have NEVER been a priority. Just a means to get paid handsomely.

[DOT]

can we stop using trey rodriguez as a source...at least kidd's son has a source and we know who it is. Trey rodriguez come on peeps

Who is Kidd Jr.'s source?

Lee himself or someone close to him

[newyorker4ever]

leave the guy pretending to f*ck dan patrick's daughter alone

Can we just pretend to leave him alone??

[mpharris36]

can we stop using trey rodriguez as a source...at least kidd's son has a source and we know who it is. Trey rodriguez come on peeps

Who is Kidd Jr.'s source?

Courtney Lee, its how he broke the Lee news last year. It's also how he is reporting that the knicks if they Move melo (which he is saying is pretty much done) Lee will most likely stay.

I'm sure Lee's agent is pretty in tune with trades that will effect his client.

[mpharris36]

leave the guy pretending to f*ck dan patrick's daughter alone

sorry I've already called child services...

[BeagleBoss]

The Knicks are in need of another elite young prospect to along with KP. And i don't believe Frank is that prospect.

Watch on YouTube

[god shammgod]

leave the guy pretending to f*ck dan patrick's daughter alone

Can we just pretend to leave him alone??

no. he's entertaining and that's all that matters on realgm.

[2010]

The way I see things is that Houston is looking to do two things as part of this deal... get Melo AND unload Anderson. Obviously, the Anderson contract is a necessity to include to make the money work in any deal. Before the Melo talks, the asking price for teams to take Anderson was two 1sts, so the cost to get Melo AND unload Anderson has to be really high, even with Melo's diminished value. Because the Rockets really don't have ANY meaningful assets after the Paul trade, I have to assume that both picks (20 and 22) and a 21 pick swap are on the table.

I assume that if the trade were the picks and expirings (even those expiring in two years), this deal would be done in a straight up deal. However, I am assuming we balked at taking Anderson even to get those two picks. So now, these extra teams are involved to try ad find someone that finds taking Anderson less odious than we do (the Blazers are the obvious candidate because they have so many 3-year deals to medicore players.

With Portland, if they are willing to trade Harkless and take Anderson, that is really unfair. So what are they getting? I have to assume they want to get rid of Crabbe or Turner, who maybe are more attractive than Anderson to someone (the 4th team?). So then you have Harkless + Crabbe/Turner for Anderson.... does that work for them to get the salary relief or do they want some kind of asset in addition? Do they want one of Houston's two picks, now making our deal look worse.

Now we need a 4th team, someone who potentially is willing to take Crabbe or Turner (but wouldn't take Anderson), might be willing to send out an asset that we want (all of a sudden, our return isn't as good because Portland is grabbing one of Houston's picks or some other asset), but is going to want real assets to do this (one of Houston's picks, someone's expirings, some other player).

It's so damn complicated. Why? Go back to the beginning... Houston is looking to get the best player and dump the worst contract in all these discussions, but have really minimal assets after the Paul trade. Doesn't make them a good trade partner. Houston is trying to satisfy the contrasting needs of three teams and somehow create value out of thin air. It is no surprise this is taking forever.

They gave up top much for Cp3.
If they had Beverley now this trade would be easier.

I think we can find better trade with Cleveland.
***
Portland sends Harkless+Crabbe+Zack Collins(#10)+future protected 1st round pick to Knicks.
Portland also sends this years #26 pick to Cavs.
Knicks send Melo to Cavs
Cavs send K.Love to Portland.

We get Crabbe and Harkless. Their contract doesnt seem good but they re young. We also get #10 pick. Good defensive big men along Kp.

Cavs recieve Melo and #26 pick for K.Love. Slight loss on this trade.

Portland gets 3rd star along Lillard-Mccolum. And they send some big contracts away. They lose this years picks but that should be ok for them. It lets them compete at high level.
Lillard-mccollum-aminu-love-nurkic

Knicks and Portland make out like bandits. Cavs take an L. Why would Cleveland do this. They already have made it clear they aren't trading Love for Melo. The 26th pick doesn't move them off that stance.

[god shammgod]

can we stop using trey rodriguez as a source...at least kidd's son has a source and we know who it is. Trey rodriguez come on peeps

Who is Kidd Jr.'s source?

Courtney Lee, its how he broke the Lee news last year. It's also how he is reporting that the knicks if they Move melo (which he is saying is pretty much done) Lee will most likely stay.

I'm sure Lee's agent is pretty in tune with trades that will effect his client.

nobody actually knows that though. people are assuming he knows lee.

[King of Canada]

[moocow007]

The other name being mentioned as PG's we're looking at to trade for is R.Sessions who will be a much cheaper player and easier to get then Bledsoe so it's not just Bledsoe we're going for. I have to think it would be C.Lee that we're offering up to teams if we can't get a vet PG in this Melo trade.

Sessions is a free agent. The Hornets already declined his option.

[NotPhilJackson]

leave the guy pretending to f*ck dan patrick's daughter alone

Et tu, Brute?

[newyorker4ever]

For some reason, as they get closer to trading Melo, I'm getting sad. He wasn't perfect but he's one of the best players in NYK history.

And he wanted to be here. No matter how bad we were/are he was a New York Knick through and through. We all talk about how stars don't wanna come to New York, well we have a star that wanted to be here and wanted to stay here.

He wanted out of Denver and wanted his max extension before the CBA expired. He would have gone to Brooklyn if we didn't trade for him. He said so himself. That's not wanting to be a Knick no matter what. That's about wanting his money and out of Denver.

He shopped himself in FA and teams didn't have enough. He almost went to **** but, Jackson didn't want the scraps they offered. Melo took a max with a NTC plus a kicker to stay. That's not wanting to be here no matter what. That's wanting money.

He forced a bidding war to come here. That made it more difficult to build around. He didn't want to play in the system that was ALREADY here. We switched direction. He was gonna leave and then, left nothing on the table to add another star. Got his max (with the NTC and Kicker). Again, making it hard to build around him. He wanted to win now but, didn't help that cause EVER.

Let's appreciate what he can do as a player. Let's admit the team made several mistakes since the trade that sabotaged efforts to win. Let's not worship Melo for things that simply are not true. Other than SAYING he wants to win here, his actions have shown that was NOT his priority. Then he wanted a buyout. This team and its fans have NEVER been a priority. Just a means to get paid handsomely.

Melo wanted to be a New York Knick and always did. Yes he wanted out of Denver and might have accepted going to Brooklyn but don't think he would of signed an extension with Brooklyn and would of went to the Knicks after that year.

[EchelonNYK]

What elite skill set does Frank have? is it Speed, Ball handling, Vision, Shooting...tell me.

[moocow007]

I still feel this will drag until late July to early August. I think Knicks like this Zhou Qi guy and he is restricted from trade until August 5th. Maybe they agree on a deal before and then make it official on August 5th.

I doubt Qi is the type of player that would hold up a deal.

Yeah. The "Chinese Kristaps Prozingis" talk is a bit on the nutso side.

[2010]

can we stop using trey rodriguez as a source...at least kidd's son has a source and we know who it is. Trey rodriguez come on peeps

Who is Kidd Jr.'s source?

Lee himself or someone close to him

Courtney?