Melo Trade Thread "Ice Cube Family movie edition"

[F N 11]

Defense

Defense, IQ so vision too, and maybe we could say shooting if we compare with others top 10 pick...

he was picked way too high. should have been a late 1st rounder. too much unknown.

To you. He was well scouted. We didnt know chit about KP either. If he worked out he probably would not of been there, especially with his lights out shooting in workouts.

Dallas could front like they didnt hire his coach then let him go when he wasnt there to pick.

[IllmaticHandler]

There is a difference between Talent and Skill. Having the ability to run Fast is not Skill. Its Talent.

Semantics much?

So silly. Something can be talent and a skill. Speed is one of them. What is the difference? Someone says speed and vision are two of Nkitlina's skills and the problem with that is that they aren't actually skills?

ughhh Why?

You need to understand what SIMILAR BUT DIFFERENT MEANS...


Was MJ Hops a SKILL? HELL NO. Its a TALENT. Ugh Why??? yourself all the way to bed....

[NotPhilJackson]

Defense

Defense, IQ so vision too, and maybe we could say shooting if we compare with others top 10 pick...

he was picked way too high. should have been a late 1st rounder. too much unknown.

Too much unknown by... who? You?

Pretty sure we didn't just this guy for no reason. I'm confident with the staff Phil brought on to scout. They brought us some pretty good players thus far.

[Newyorknick94]

Defense

Defense, IQ so vision too, and maybe we could say shooting if we compare with others top 10 pick...

he was picked way too high. should have been a late 1st rounder. too much unknown.

Porzingis should've been a late first rounder too huh?

[NewYorkPride85]

There is a difference between Talent and Skill. Having the ability to run Fast is not Skill. Its Talent.

Semantics much?

So silly. Something can be talent and a skill. Speed is one of them. What is the difference? Someone says speed and vision are two of Nkitlina's skills and the problem with that is that they aren't actually skills?

ughhh Why?

Agree with you completely, another thing people don't bring up is his high BBIQ. Usually, the difference a player taking off early and taking a long time for it to all "click". That and attitude. I hate to keep bringing this up but just look at the difference between shump and butler. Both came in about the same out of college one had the right attitude and put his nose to the grindstone. The other was busy working on mixtapes.

[putiger78]

There is a difference between Talent and Skill. Having the ability to run Fast is not Skill. Its Talent.

Semantics much?

So silly. Something can be talent and a skill. Speed is one of them. What is the difference? Someone says speed and vision are two of Nkitlina's skills and the problem with that is that they aren't actually skills?

ughhh Why?

You need to understand what SIMILAR BUT DIFFERENT MEANS...


Was MJ Hops a SKILL? HELL NO. Its a TALENT. Ugh Why??? yourself all the way to bed....

God given talent at doing something doesn't make the activity not a skill. Any activity that requires ability is a skill. Absurd.

[Wolfgang630]

I guess this answers it.

http://www.athletesacceleration.com/speedisaskill.html

Speed is a skill. The ability to take advantage of the potential of one’s body, and do so consistently, is a highly technical skill. As coaches and athletes we often allude to this concept when talking about speed development, but rarely do we discuss how important this statement is and what effects it has on training and performance.

Or this

http://www.glencoe.com/sites/common_assets/health_fitness/gln_health_fitness_zone/pdf/heart_rate_monitor_activities/health_skill_related_itness/health_skill_related_fitness_activity_4.pdf

[eagle54]

Defense

Defense, IQ so vision too, and maybe we could say shooting if we compare with others top 10 pick...

he was picked way too high. should have been a late 1st rounder. too much unknown.

Unknow for you, not for scouts and guys who know euros prospects...

In order to give an analysis, you need sample size. We just don't have it. Online, there's a limited number of games. We don't even know the size of those players. Also, we have no benchmark to go off of. If he played AAU, High School and NCAA, we would have seen him regularly against other prospects. Then, we'd have an idea of how his speed/height/first step really stack up. Against the compeition he's playing, I'm sure they're very good, but, we don't know them. We have no clue about their measurables.

So, to put it another way, it's like looking at a picture and being like, "Wow" that"s a big burrito. Then, you put a quarter next to it and realize it's not that big. We need a benchmark in order to know.

Maybe if you watch french PO like others people here, you could have another speech... His skills are know against confirmed players.

[IllmaticHandler]

Semantics much?

So silly. Something can be talent and a skill. Speed is one of them. What is the difference? Someone says speed and vision are two of Nkitlina's skills and the problem with that is that they aren't actually skills?

ughhh Why?

You need to understand what SIMILAR BUT DIFFERENT MEANS...


Was MJ Hops a SKILL? HELL NO. Its a TALENT. Ugh Why??? yourself all the way to bed....

God given talent at doing something doesn't make the activity not a skill. Any activity that requires ability is a skill. Absurd.

If Running fast is a Skill. Let Me know when a White Guy wins Fastest Man in the World. Cause All he has to do is work hard at it right? Okay buddy...Like I said. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE...They are not exactly the same.

[F N 11]

Frank is going to be shooting over fools with ease. I watched this dude play within his teams system in France. I was kind of wanting him to take every shot but he is a team player. If Horny gives him the green light to be aggressive I can see him going off. He's coachable and he will get KP involved. One of the first thing he said was being able to run the Pn R with KP will be good because they run it different in Europe and would have instant chemistry.

[god shammgod]

being fast is probably both. you would need to be genetically gifted and highly trained. nobody gets to the olympics without a lot of training. but without some genetic gifts, the training will only get you so far.

[Fury]

Maybe if Zach Randolph worked a little harder he'd be able to do 360 dunks

[Wolfgang630]

Maybe if Zach Randolph worked a little harder he'd be able to do 360 dunks

I kind of look at it like when I play video games. Everyone can have the same skills, but some start out higher than others. You can raise everyone's skills if you want, but certain people will max out higher compared to someone else.

[whocares1]

I guess this answers it.

http://www.athletesacceleration.com/speedisaskill.html

Speed is a skill. The ability to take advantage of the potential of one’s body, and do so consistently, is a highly technical skill. As coaches and athletes we often allude to this concept when talking about speed development, but rarely do we discuss how important this statement is and what effects it has on training and performance.

Or this

http://www.glencoe.com/sites/common_assets/health_fitness/gln_health_fitness_zone/pdf/heart_rate_monitor_activities/health_skill_related_itness/health_skill_related_fitness_activity_4.pdf

This wasn't even needed. The actual definition of skill answered it, but this is just another pointless debate because some people here have nothing better to do than debate what skill is.

[NewYorkPride85]

You need to understand what SIMILAR BUT DIFFERENT MEANS...


Was MJ Hops a SKILL? HELL NO. Its a TALENT. Ugh Why??? yourself all the way to bed....

God given talent at doing something doesn't make the activity not a skill. Any activity that requires ability is a skill. Absurd.

If Running fast is a Skill. Let Me know when a White Guy wins Fastest Man in the World. Cause All he has to do is work hard at it right? Okay buddy...Like I said. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE...They are not exactly the same.

Serious question....when was the last time a white guy won in the Olympics or even a marathon?

[F N 11]

I could never be fast af lmao. Some things are just talent man. Skill is something I can get really good at if I work hard enough. Like shooting, dribbling, passing, catching (football).

I know there are workouts that can make you jump higher and things you can do to run faster but those are god given talents.

I cant all of a sudden pick up a baseball bat and be good at hitting a fastball. Thats a MF talent in itself.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Melo wanted to be a New York Knick and always did. Yes he wanted out of Denver and might have accepted going to Brooklyn but don't think he would of signed an extension with Brooklyn and would of went to the Knicks after that year.

You're willing to believe that doesn't mean it's true. His actions have shown it is not. He was getting out of Denver AND signing the max deal before the CBA expired. Fearing he was gonna lose money. Getting traded was ALL ABOUT THE MAX. He was not going to wait until FA. It was months away. He didn't need a trade in order to become a Knick. He needed it to get out of Denver AND get his max deal.

These are his actions and his words. None of them point to him truly wanting to play here or, even win here, as his demands made that difficult to do. BOTH times he got his max. He expected the TEAM to magically make it happen. He sacrificed nothing to get here or stay here. Then he wanted to be paid to leave? What part of any of this means he wanted to be a Knick? None.

Believe what you want but everyone (but you) knows he always wanted to be a New York Knick. Can't figure out how any Knicks fan wouldn't know this.

I am giving you facts about his OWN WORDS and his OWN ACTIONS and you're telling me that I don't know what he wanted? I'm not anti Melo. I'm anti false narrative. I'm anti fake news. I'm anti alternative facts mentality.

The guy wanted to sign the max before the CBA expired and he wanted out of Denver. He didn't only want the Knicks.

Like I said in my OP...we can give him credit for what he deserves credit for. We should be able to agree that, while he did gut the team, he's not the reason they couldn't build around him. We can show that he didn't want to play in the system of the team he just asked for a trade to. That was supposed to be put together for MDA. So the team backed Melo and that HC quit. How's that for helping the team build around you? Yes...MDA should have made it work. SSOL with an ISO player. One who isn't willing to change his game.

Hell...the more I look at this. **** MELO! I defended him for years and I defended that trade...that I didn't want. Now...discussing these chain of events. HE was a big part of the team struggling to build around him.

Get him out of here and move on.

[IllmaticHandler]

Maybe if Zach Randolph worked a little harder he'd be able to do 360 dunks

Boing Vert baby.

[nykfan42]

Still nothing?

[Traveyknicks23]

You're willing to believe that doesn't mean it's true. His actions have shown it is not. He was getting out of Denver AND signing the max deal before the CBA expired. Fearing he was gonna lose money. Getting traded was ALL ABOUT THE MAX. He was not going to wait until FA. It was months away. He didn't need a trade in order to become a Knick. He needed it to get out of Denver AND get his max deal.

These are his actions and his words. None of them point to him truly wanting to play here or, even win here, as his demands made that difficult to do. BOTH times he got his max. He expected the TEAM to magically make it happen. He sacrificed nothing to get here or stay here. Then he wanted to be paid to leave? What part of any of this means he wanted to be a Knick? None.

He wanted to be a knick you seem to forget they had a trade lined up to send him to jersey only if he commited to resigning there and he wouldn't that trade got nixed.

Wrong. He said he would go there if the Knicks didn't want to trade for him. Dolan stepped in, or applied pressure, and they added Mozgov and completed the trade. I remember seeing him say this on BSPN. He was getting traded so he could sign his max deal before the new CBA. He didn't want to potentially lose the fifth year and the max amount per year. This was all discussed at the time of the trade.

He wasn't bleeding orange and blue. If he always wanted to be a Knick, he would have been here sooner or, made it known years ago. This trade was ALL ABOUT THE MAX and the CBA expiring and a lock out looming. He said he would go to Brooklyn.

I don't hate Melo. It's unfortunate the team was in turmoil and continuous change but, he didn't help the team in any way. Meeting his price each time only hurt the team. He wasn't some NY lifer. He was from Brooklyn and moved when he was a very young kid. That's it. He was not, and has not been a loyal fan of the team. He was a fan of his game and his money. His brand. Not the team.

Actions speak way louder than words.

He never said that like ever everyone assumed it but the deal was set 3 team deal between Detroit nuggets and nets melo wouldn't sign the extention there. I dont car if you like melo or not he was going to get paid either way.