Wizards Summer League/Training Camp thread

[80sballboy]

yeah it's really tough to watch Michael Young and not see the Millsap similarities. Might actually have a nice future as a versatile defender and face up 4 with high basketball IQ and great all around play. but can he rebound and can he really stay infront of quicker nba guards on switches? somewhat redundant with Morris.

Keene looks like he can legitimately step in and be a microwave scorer like a DJ Augustine, going to be a defensive liability either way, but he has all the tools to on O. nice contrast with Satoransky

Mac looks great to me, he has that knack for creating driving lanes and drawing contact, once again was super efficient tonight scoring in double digits and hitting multiple 3s but only attempting 5 shots. He's already a solid defender that can slide his feet and rebound, has solid bball IQ. biggest question for me also is can he hit the 3 at a high enough clip to be effective off the ball. Nice contrast with Meeks like you said.

think its the year of undrafted players like a lot of experts have been saying. Think those 3 can all be NBA players

Come on Nat, this is Summer League. Paul Millsap? Really? Sure, if he adds 30 more pounds, a 3 point shot, better IQ, et. I mean Keene could be IT. Mac could be Jimmy Butler. Keene deserves a shot in training camp. Needs to earn a spot by playing against real players, not SL-quality. I'd be looking hard at other rosters to try and find other alternatives that you can bring to camp over Robinson and possibly McCullough, but knowing our scouting dept, I don't look for out-of-box thinking.

[NatP4]

yeah it's really tough to watch Michael Young and not see the Millsap similarities. Might actually have a nice future as a versatile defender and face up 4 with high basketball IQ and great all around play. but can he rebound and can he really stay infront of quicker nba guards on switches? somewhat redundant with Morris.

Keene looks like he can legitimately step in and be a microwave scorer like a DJ Augustine, going to be a defensive liability either way, but he has all the tools to on O. nice contrast with Satoransky

Mac looks great to me, he has that knack for creating driving lanes and drawing contact, once again was super efficient tonight scoring in double digits and hitting multiple 3s but only attempting 5 shots. He's already a solid defender that can slide his feet and rebound, has solid bball IQ. biggest question for me also is can he hit the 3 at a high enough clip to be effective off the ball. Nice contrast with Meeks like you said.

think its the year of undrafted players like a lot of experts have been saying. Think those 3 can all be NBA players

Come on Nat, this is Summer League. Paul Millsap? Really? Sure, if he adds 30 more pounds, a 3 point shot, better IQ, et. I mean Keene could be IT. Mac could be Jimmy Butler. Keene deserves a shot in training camp. Needs to earn a spot by playing against real players, not SL-quality. I'd be looking hard at other rosters to try and find other alternatives that you can bring to camp over Robinson and possibly McCullough, but knowing our scouting dept, I don't look for out-of-box thinking.

I was just comparing play styles, not saying Young will be the next Millsap. He has that high basketball IQ, nice passing ability, face up game, can take some 4s off the dribble, has a smooth looking shooting stroke when facing up. Can defend smaller players on switches but is strong enough to hold his own in the post.


When you look at undersized score first guards you gotta question whether they can beat guys off the dribble and finish in traffic, can they create their own shot off the dribble, knockdown shooter from 3, are the strong enough to not get completely bodied every possession defensively. Keene checks the boxes for a small player. He's been a positive in his plus minus every game of summer league unlike anyone else on the team.

I'm not taking in terms of them being rotational players this year, I'm talking in terms of giving them a two way contract and a training camp invite and if their games could possibly translate to the NBA.

I don't see anyone else outside of those 3 that has a NBA future. Ochefu is too slow imo. Also really stupid, what was that attempt to dribble the ball up the court and turning it over in crunch time thing?

[NatP4]

We should guarantee Mac's contract and give Keene the other two way deal and let them battle it out in training camp. I'm cutting McCullough and Ochefu if it's me. Let Keene score against D league competition and play against other NBA guys in preseason, see if his scoring translates. See how Young matches up physically against those NBA guys.

[80sballboy]

yeah it's really tough to watch Michael Young and not see the Millsap similarities. Might actually have a nice future as a versatile defender and face up 4 with high basketball IQ and great all around play. but can he rebound and can he really stay infront of quicker nba guards on switches? somewhat redundant with Morris.

Keene looks like he can legitimately step in and be a microwave scorer like a DJ Augustine, going to be a defensive liability either way, but he has all the tools to on O. nice contrast with Satoransky

Mac looks great to me, he has that knack for creating driving lanes and drawing contact, once again was super efficient tonight scoring in double digits and hitting multiple 3s but only attempting 5 shots. He's already a solid defender that can slide his feet and rebound, has solid bball IQ. biggest question for me also is can he hit the 3 at a high enough clip to be effective off the ball. Nice contrast with Meeks like you said.

think its the year of undrafted players like a lot of experts have been saying. Think those 3 can all be NBA players

Come on Nat, this is Summer League. Paul Millsap? Really? Sure, if he adds 30 more pounds, a 3 point shot, better IQ, et. I mean Keene could be IT. Mac could be Jimmy Butler. Keene deserves a shot in training camp. Needs to earn a spot by playing against real players, not SL-quality. I'd be looking hard at other rosters to try and find other alternatives that you can bring to camp over Robinson and possibly McCullough, but knowing our scouting dept, I don't look for out-of-box thinking.

I was just comparing play styles, not saying Young will be the next Millsap. He has that high basketball IQ, nice passing ability, face up game, can take some 4s off the dribble, has a smooth looking shooting stroke when facing up. Can defend smaller players on switches but is strong enough to hold his own in the post.


When you look at undersized score first guards you gotta question whether they can beat guys off the dribble and finish in traffic, can they create their own shot off the dribble, knockdown shooter from 3, are the strong enough to not get completely bodied every possession defensively. Keene checks the boxes for a small player. He's been a positive in his plus minus every game of summer league unlike anyone else on the team.

I'm not taking in terms of them being rotational players this year, I'm talking in terms of giving them a two way contract and a training camp invite and if their games could possibly translate to the NBA.

I don't see anyone else outside of those 3 that has a NBA future. Ochefu is too slow imo. Also really stupid, what was that attempt to dribble the ball up the court and turning it over in crunch time thing?

I'm not going to argue Ochefu's athleticism but he's not stupid. If you watched him at Villanova, he was a smart big man, who defended and blocked shots. So he made a couple of boneheaded plays. He's not a 30 minute player. But again, we're arguing about a fringe, 15th player on the roster. You're not looking for the next Shaq. Again, if the braintrust can find better outside our sh-tty SL roster, be my guest for the right price.

I think you give two-way deals to guys have great or very good upside and I don't see the great upside for Young and Keene. Sure, both could make the team but neither is a difference-maker. Maybe Keene could be the mini-microwave off the bench one day if he can become a more well-rounded player. If he's getting picked apart by a 5-8 player from Monmouth, how is he going to play against legit NBA backup point guards.

Young needs more of an identity. He was ok on open looks today but when defended on the perimeter, he doesn't show me much. Maybe it's the lack of confidence in his ballhandling or he's just trying to feel his way through the NBA. I think we could have done better in terms of rookie FAs but he is one of our guys so I'll be rooting for him in the G-League. McCullough will probably be kept but he doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game.

[NatP4]

Come on Nat, this is Summer League. Paul Millsap? Really? Sure, if he adds 30 more pounds, a 3 point shot, better IQ, et. I mean Keene could be IT. Mac could be Jimmy Butler. Keene deserves a shot in training camp. Needs to earn a spot by playing against real players, not SL-quality. I'd be looking hard at other rosters to try and find other alternatives that you can bring to camp over Robinson and possibly McCullough, but knowing our scouting dept, I don't look for out-of-box thinking.

I was just comparing play styles, not saying Young will be the next Millsap. He has that high basketball IQ, nice passing ability, face up game, can take some 4s off the dribble, has a smooth looking shooting stroke when facing up. Can defend smaller players on switches but is strong enough to hold his own in the post.


When you look at undersized score first guards you gotta question whether they can beat guys off the dribble and finish in traffic, can they create their own shot off the dribble, knockdown shooter from 3, are the strong enough to not get completely bodied every possession defensively. Keene checks the boxes for a small player. He's been a positive in his plus minus every game of summer league unlike anyone else on the team.

I'm not taking in terms of them being rotational players this year, I'm talking in terms of giving them a two way contract and a training camp invite and if their games could possibly translate to the NBA.

I don't see anyone else outside of those 3 that has a NBA future. Ochefu is too slow imo. Also really stupid, what was that attempt to dribble the ball up the court and turning it over in crunch time thing?

I'm not going to argue Ochefu's athleticism but he's not stupid. If you watched him at Villanova, he was a smart big man, who defended and blocked shots. So he made a couple of boneheaded plays. He's not a 30 minute player. But again, we're arguing about a fringe, 15th player on the roster. You're not looking for the next Shaq. Again, if the braintrust can find better outside our sh-tty SL roster, be my guest for the right price.

I think you give two-way deals to guys have great or very good upside and I don't see the great upside for Young and Keene. Sure, both could make the team but neither is a difference-maker. Maybe Keene could be the mini-microwave off the bench one day if he can become a more well-rounded player. If he's getting picked apart by a 5-8 player from Monmouth, how is he going to play against legit NBA backup point guards.

Young needs more of an identity. He was ok on open looks today but when defended on the perimeter, he doesn't show me much. Maybe it's the lack of confidence in his ballhandling or he's just trying to feel his way through the NBA. I think we could have done better in terms of rookie FAs but he is one of our guys so I'll be rooting for him in the G-League. McCullough will probably be kept but he doesn't seem to have a good feel for the game.

Ok I see what you're saying, you'd rather keep the boom or bust high upside guys with the two way deals, and we don't really have ideal guys on our team for that. I was thinking more of your typical veteran 3 or 4 year high bball IQ college players who can be rotation guys in the near future.

I'm just not seeing the diamond in the rough thing with Robinson or McCullough, they both look terrible to me. Zero feel for the game, no standout skill, if any skill at all. Wish we would've had more draft picks. I'm looking at Keene/Mac/Young as solid rotational pieces down the road on potential cheap deals. Really think Keene has legit scoring ootential and is worth that training camp invite atleast.

[DCZards]

I liked the patience and poise that Young played with. Didn't force anything, took his shots within the flow of the game, didn't fall prey to the frenetic pace that most SL games are played at. Didn't see a lot from him on D or on the boards, but Young's offensive game is solid. Seems like a guy worthy of the longer look that that 2-way contract provides.

Super scout CCJ may have picked that diamond in the rough.

[Dark Faze]

I'd let everyone on this team walk. Not being able to win a single summer league game? We're talking about a league where Oubre was able to show out and he can't even dribble. And most of these guys are what, 3 and 4 year college guys with a year or two of NBA experience? Embarrassing.

[Kanyewest]

I wonder if the talent is better in this year's summer league because the 2017 draft by all the experts was much stronger. For instance, House put up significantly better numbers in last year's summer league than this one. Of course, House may have simply lost all of his confidence.

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I'd let everyone on this team walk. Not being able to win a single summer league game? We're talking about a league where Oubre was able to show out and he can't even dribble. And most of these guys are what, 3 and 4 year college guys with a year or two of NBA experience? Embarrassing.

I'm so sick of the slip-shod, lazy, stupid work of this FO. This is what happens when you give away your draft picks year after year. Ask yourself where we'd be if the ping pong balls hadn't given us John Wall & Otto Porter. As to Keene, sure, bring him to training camp. No loss in doing that. Who else do we have?

Michael Young is not going to look like Caleb Swanigan. Neither is Devin Robinson. & they're not going to look like Ojeleye or Bell either. But, I called for us to do whatever it took to get Sindarius Thornwell, & this is why:

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Jordan Bell, the other guy I wanted badly for us to get, has also been dominant this Summer. He & Thornwell will both be rotation players as rookies.

Just to be clear, Thornwell is better than any 2 guard we have except Beal. Bell is better than any PF we have, period.

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[gambitx777]

This thread is absolutely stupid. Are y'all kidding me here. Your too busy bitching and moaning about who we didn't get in hind sight. Devin Robinson , is green but he shows a lot of promise Kenney Smith even praised him and gave him kind words. Young looks decent. And ochifu has been playing really well. Mac has looked horrible, he's not showing what we need to see that's for sure same with Chris. All of you are being unfair to Cunningham too! You do realise that all these guys you all wanted the wiz to grab were passed up by every team once, and most teams twice. Chill. I think it's too soon to give up on Mac and Chris, they are like 23 years old guy chirs is and was a long term project hes coming along just slower that we would like . If you wanted to ditch Mac and sign Cunningham ham that would be a bit stupid imo but you can justify it. I don't like how negative you guys are with these kids just being of your disslikes of the front office.

[80sballboy]

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[Dark Faze]

Our "First Round Pick" is self aware, I'll give him that.

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wanted to like him but this is embarrassing

[DCZards]

I'd let everyone on this team walk. Not being able to win a single summer league game? We're talking about a league where Oubre was able to show out and he can't even dribble. And most of these guys are what, 3 and 4 year college guys with a year or two of NBA experience? Embarrassing.

I hope you're not us the SL team's W-L record to judge individual players or their potential. That would be a mistake.

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[closg00]

Ok, Robinson looks like he has plenty of up-side, but how-long will it take for him to fill-out that stick body.
Bye-bye Keene.

[NatP4]

This thread is full of stupidity. They haven't even been trying to win games. The first 3 games they were literally playing the bottom 15-20 guys on the roster against other teams starting lineups.

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This thread is absolutely stupid. Are y'all kidding me here. Your too busy bitching and moaning about who we didn't get in hind sight. Devin Robinson , is green but he shows a lot of promise Kenney Smith even praised him and gave him kind words. Young looks decent. And ochifu has been playing really well. Mac has looked horrible, he's not showing what we need to see that's for sure same with Chris. All of you are being unfair to Cunningham too! You do realise that all these guys you all wanted the wiz to grab were passed up by every team once, and most teams twice. Chill. I think it's too soon to give up on Mac and Chris, they are like 23 years old guy chirs is and was a long term project hes coming along just slower that we would like . If you wanted to ditch Mac and sign Cunningham ham that would be a bit stupid imo but you can justify it. I don't like how negative you guys are with these kids just being of your disslikes of the front office.

I'm a fan of Devin Robinson. Glad they gave him the other 2-way -- & have been suggesting they's likely do & should do it. Nor do I think Mac has looked horrible. So... not sure what you are talking about.