Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIV

[gambitx777]

Borris diow and joe johnson for mahinmi and 2018 second and Aaron White. They really need a back up center and they are trying to trade diow and joe is a bit redundant on tht team.

I was thinking about that but including gortat instead considering mahinmi value

Getting rid of gortat does the wiz nothing In the long term he's a good contract on a short 2 year term moving mahinmi is the best case because of his health. Attached a first if you have to 2019, yes ik piff you rage. But diow can be cut before the 15th that almost get you out of the tax right there. Johnson is solid vet I just insurance and you can play him next to Kelly as a 2 3 bench combo. Then see what else you need to do maybe flip Johnson for another center or something like that.

[gambitx777]

They could use a defensive anchor on the bench I would 100 percent trade mahinmi and a first for Parker and Henson! Less money and less years and your paying the pick to dump mahinmi and you get two young players, one on a solid deal the other hasn't earned a big deal, you can probably ly talk Parker into a 2 year extension. 8 mill a year would be fair and you would still save money over mahinmi or let Parker walk for cap relif.

[Kanyewest]

its a give and take thing--we'd love for Wall to be a better two way player, but I'd let him be terrible defensively if he could be a consistent 27/11/4 guy on great efficiency.

When Gortats offensive responsibility goes down, the expectation is for his defense to go up. The problem people have with Gortat is they see his role offensively has declined (his fault or not doesn't matter) but there was no noticeable uptick defensively. I think its a fair argument. It's one I use with Porter as well--the idea that if you're going to be low usage, then I want to see more from you defensively since you have the energy for it.

I do think with Wall some of it is more horrific defensive IQ than it is effort.

While Gortat doesn't take many shots, he is still a big part of the offense because he sets so many screens. He had 7.8 assists which was the most in the NBA. The big thing with him is it is getting older and the game overall is changing.

You could make a case that it's defensive IQ or defensive effort with Wall but he is out of position a lot of the time and not a good defender and he's MUCH younger than Gortat. To me, Wall is a great athlete but he can expend a lot of energy going for a shot block and a lot on the offensive end. Also, not having a backup point guard (or a coach willing to rest Wall a couple of minutes in the 2nd half of a game 7) really hurt Wall.

[gambitx777]

its a give and take thing--we'd love for Wall to be a better two way player, but I'd let him be terrible defensively if he could be a consistent 27/11/4 guy on great efficiency.

When Gortats offensive responsibility goes down, the expectation is for his defense to go up. The problem people have with Gortat is they see his role offensively has declined (his fault or not doesn't matter) but there was no noticeable uptick defensively. I think its a fair argument. It's one I use with Porter as well--the idea that if you're going to be low usage, then I want to see more from you defensively since you have the energy for it.

I do think with Wall some of it is more horrific defensive IQ than it is effort.

While Gortat doesn't take many shots, he is still a big part of the offense because he sets so many screens. He had 7.8 assists which was the most in the NBA. The big thing with him is it is getting older and the game overall is changing.

You could make a case that it's defensive IQ or defensive effort with Wall but he is out of position a lot of the time and not a good defender and he's MUCH younger than Gortat. To me, Wall is a great athlete but he can expend a lot of energy going for a shot block and a lot on the offensive end. Also, not having a backup point guard (or a coach willing to rest Wall a couple of minutes in the 2nd half of a game 7) really hurt Wall.

While wall is not a great defender he's not a terribly awful defender either. He's just meh on D I'm

[Dark Faze]

Would help if he went under screens more too. I think a lot of guards can get better at that. Going under puts you in MUCH better position for defending the drive. Sharp shooters will make you pay here and there, but going over screens consistently tests your team defense much more.

Our attention to detail is bad for generally everyone. Otto ball watches a lot and leaves 3 pt shooters open so he can get a headstart on crashing the rim. John asks for switches out of nowhere like he's got a 2k controller in his hand. And generally everyone has problems with their hedging /help space.

In short, Brooks needs to do much better in the film room as it concerns defense.

[Rafael122]

After talks on a new contract stalled, a sign-and-trade with the Phoenix Suns was presented. The deal featured the Spurs getting center Tyson Chandler in exchange for Simmons, but at the last minute, the Spurs backed out of the trade, not wanting to take on the remaining two years and roughly $26 million on Chandler’s deal.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-renounce-rights-to-free-agent-guard-11286413.php?t=abc2901ed42d8b6391&cmpid=twitter-premium

Gortat makes a similar amount of money over the next 2 years. Chandler turns 35 in October, Gortat doesn't turn 34 until February.

[LyricalRico]

After talks on a new contract stalled, a sign-and-trade with the Phoenix Suns was presented. The deal featured the Spurs getting center Tyson Chandler in exchange for Simmons, but at the last minute, the Spurs backed out of the trade, not wanting to take on the remaining two years and roughly $26 million on Chandler’s deal.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-renounce-rights-to-free-agent-guard-11286413.php?t=abc2901ed42d8b6391&cmpid=twitter-premium

Gortat makes a similar amount of money over the next 2 years. Chandler turns 35 in October, Gortat doesn't turn 34 until February.

Very interesting. Does this mean that they're moving on from Gasol? I doubt they would have even been considering adding Chandler strictly as a backup. If they really are in the market for a new starting C, I'm not immediately seeing what we would get from them in exchange from Gortat.

[Rafael122]

After talks on a new contract stalled, a sign-and-trade with the Phoenix Suns was presented. The deal featured the Spurs getting center Tyson Chandler in exchange for Simmons, but at the last minute, the Spurs backed out of the trade, not wanting to take on the remaining two years and roughly $26 million on Chandler’s deal.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-renounce-rights-to-free-agent-guard-11286413.php?t=abc2901ed42d8b6391&cmpid=twitter-premium

Gortat makes a similar amount of money over the next 2 years. Chandler turns 35 in October, Gortat doesn't turn 34 until February.

Very interesting. Does this mean that they're moving on from Gasol? I doubt they would have even been considering adding Chandler strictly as a backup. If they really are in the market for a new starting C, I'm not immediately seeing what we would get from them in exchange from Gortat.

Sign and trade Simmons for Gortat. At this point Simmons' market is shot so if Simmons got maybe $5 mill less than Gortat then that gets the Wizards under the tax.

[NatP4]

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/Spurs-renounce-rights-to-free-agent-guard-11286413.php?t=abc2901ed42d8b6391&cmpid=twitter-premium

Gortat makes a similar amount of money over the next 2 years. Chandler turns 35 in October, Gortat doesn't turn 34 until February.

Very interesting. Does this mean that they're moving on from Gasol? I doubt they would have even been considering adding Chandler strictly as a backup. If they really are in the market for a new starting C, I'm not immediately seeing what we would get from them in exchange from Gortat.

Sign and trade Simmons for Gortat. At this point Simmons' market is shot so if Simmons got maybe $5 mill less than Gortat then that gets the Wizards under the tax.

This is actually a really good idea for the 2015-2016 version of Simmons, but the Spurs already renounced him, can they even do that?

[LyricalRico]

Very interesting. Does this mean that they're moving on from Gasol? I doubt they would have even been considering adding Chandler strictly as a backup. If they really are in the market for a new starting C, I'm not immediately seeing what we would get from them in exchange from Gortat.

Sign and trade Simmons for Gortat. At this point Simmons' market is shot so if Simmons got maybe $5 mill less than Gortat then that gets the Wizards under the tax.

This is actually a really good idea for the 2015-2016 version of Simmons, but the Spurs already renounced him, can they even do that?

Yeah, the fact that they renounced him means S&T is no longer possible. But just the fact that the Spurs were looking at trading for a starting C like Chandler has me curious as to what the rest of their offseason plan is.

[NatP4]

we could just cut Mac and sign Simmons for 2 million per with the rest of the MLE though.

[LyricalRico]

we could just cut Mac and sign Simmons for 2 million per with the rest of the MLE though.

Heresy! This, sir, is the TRADE thread!

[gambitx777]

Sign and trade Simmons for Gortat. At this point Simmons' market is shot so if Simmons got maybe $5 mill less than Gortat then that gets the Wizards under the tax.

This is actually a really good idea for the 2015-2016 version of Simmons, but the Spurs already renounced him, can they even do that?

Yeah, the fact that they renounced him means S&T is no longer possible. But just the fact that the Spurs were looking at trading for a starting C like Chandler has me curious as to what the rest of their offseason plan is.

Tyson chandler is not a "starter" any more, he can start but he really is a back up at this point.

[gambitx777]

This is actually a really good idea for the 2015-2016 version of Simmons, but the Spurs already renounced him, can they even do that?

Yeah, the fact that they renounced him means S&T is no longer possible. But just the fact that the Spurs were looking at trading for a starting C like Chandler has me curious as to what the rest of their offseason plan is.

Tyson chandler is not a "starter" any more, he can start but he really is a back up at this point.

The nets have cap room to burn so do the 76ers and the hawks, someone will toss some cash at him and we are currently riding the ta so no way we get him unless we hurry and unload money then sign him. but i don't think we could unload that much money ?

[pcbothwel]

Sign and trade Simmons for Gortat. At this point Simmons' market is shot so if Simmons got maybe $5 mill less than Gortat then that gets the Wizards under the tax.

This is actually a really good idea for the 2015-2016 version of Simmons, but the Spurs already renounced him, can they even do that?

Yeah, the fact that they renounced him means S&T is no longer possible. But just the fact that the Spurs were looking at trading for a starting C like Chandler has me curious as to what the rest of their offseason plan is.

I really dont understand what the Spurs are doing if this is true. The Spurs will have 50M in cap space with Leonard, Mills, White, Murray, and cap holds for Anderson and Bertans. They have two very clear choices:

1) Dont add any players with salaries beyond this year. Then use the 50M to add a max player and another really good player. I.E. Cousins and Avery Bradley. With the way the FA market was this year, they might get some real good deals.

2) Add players with contracts beyond this year, as long as you maintain the max spot.

I am a fan of 1, but I understand the willingness to to stay in the top 3-4 teams and choose option #2. That said, why the hell would you use that 15-18M slot for an old bum like Chandler.

Trading LMA to the Bucks for Monroe + an asset (Wilson/Vaughn/Pick) is a great idea.

[europeanfan]

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Gortat + Morris easily beat anything the Rocket can offer (they can only offer Ryan Anderson basically).

[payitforward]

Please tell me why we would want Carmelo Anthony?

[gambitx777]

Please tell me why we would want Carmelo Anthony?

Only if we dump mahinmi in the process and don't over pay in assets if you do that he is an updrage over the bench we had with his money comming off sooner.
Honestly I would much much rather ait and see if he gets his buy out, and if he does. If we can get under the tax by then somehow I would load up the full mid leavel (that we have left) for him in a heart beat. Piff you can not an any way say you would not want mello on the bench for mid level money or less if you do you are just being stubborn.

[deneem4]

Would help if he went under screens more too. I think a lot of guards can get better at that. Going under puts you in MUCH better position for defending the drive. Sharp shooters will make you pay here and there, but going over screens consistently tests your team defense much more.

Our attention to detail is bad for generally everyone. Otto ball watches a lot and leaves 3 pt shooters open so he can get a headstart on crashing the rim. John asks for switches out of nowhere like he's got a 2k controller in his hand. And generally everyone has problems with their hedging /help space.

In short, Brooks needs to do much better in the film room as it concerns defense.

That the thing wall isnt wrong calling constant switches...
Our best defensive unit is oir small ball lineups because it means our bigs are quick enough to switch...

If we can get some quicker bigs that can keep up with the defensive gameplan we'll start seeing that elite wall defensively

[verbal8]

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Gortat + Morris easily beat anything the Rocket can offer (they can only offer Ryan Anderson basically).

I don't think he is a good option for the Wizards.

I wonder if the Knicks are trying to talk Anthony into taking a significant reduction for a buyout. They might see saving $10+ million as more valuable than the return in a trade.