2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[Paradise]

I don't Simmons on a short 1-2 year deal. He had a bad season after a very good first one but he's still good defensively, athletic, and he also played well in the playoffs this year (shot much better in playoffs than regular season).

Yeah, I'm kind of baffled by some of these posts. You'd want a guy who has the defensively skills and athleticism of a Simmons. He's pushing 28 but so is Ja. Green. So, I don't see the difference. This is the part of FA when you add guys who can help build the identity the team will need to sustain consistently. Simmons should've been a Net a long time ago and nobody expects to max him either so it's not even about the money right now.

Btw, all this talk about 'shooting' reminds me of last summer. How did that go? We signed a bunch of 37%-40% shooters like Scola, Harris, Vasquez and they didn't do anything much on that side of the ball and were awful defensively.

I'd rather bet on some athletic talent with some offensive deficiencies because finding and developing offense in this league isn't too hard and scoring was hardly our issue last season.


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Our scoring was pretty awful last year. We just played at a ridiculously high pace so it looked cute. I'm not saying we should pass up on defense first guys but offense isn't a cake walk. We just lost our best scorer too.

Our best scorer consistently made us bad defensively.

We were 11-15 post ASB because we had a Top 10 defensive rating with an engaged Lopez. We lose his scoring but I honestly don't care too much for that. We've got cap space to add any kind of serviceable 18-20ppg scorer if Russ and Lin don't provide enough.

We need to start getting good at one thing at a time which is how you trend upwards to respectable basketball. Defense comes first. Offense comes with development and our best prospect isn't known for being a gritty defender and if Russell becomes our best player. We're going to have to develop defensive minded players around his lack of elite athleticism.


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[DarkXaero]

Yeah, I'm kind of baffled by some of these posts. You'd want a guy who has the defensively skills and athleticism of a Simmons. He's pushing 28 but so is Ja. Green. So, I don't see the difference. This is the part of FA when you add guys who can help build the identity the team will need to sustain consistently. Simmons should've been a Net a long time ago and nobody expects to max him either so it's not even about the money right now.

Btw, all this talk about 'shooting' reminds me of last summer. How did that go? We signed a bunch of 37%-40% shooters like Scola, Harris, Vasquez and they didn't do anything much on that side of the ball and were awful defensively.

I'd rather bet on some athletic talent with some offensive deficiencies because finding and developing offense in this league isn't too hard and scoring was hardly our issue last season.


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Our scoring was pretty awful last year. We just played at a ridiculously high pace so it looked cute. I'm not saying we should pass up on defense first guys but offense isn't a cake walk. We just lost our best scorer too.

Our best scorer consistently made us bad defensively.

We were 11-15 post ASB because we had a Top 10 defensive rating with an engaged Lopez. We lose his scoring but I honestly don't care too much for that. We've got cap space to add any kind of serviceable 18-20ppg scorer if Russ and Lin don't provide enough.

We need to start getting good at one thing at a time which is how you trend upwards to respectable basketball. Defense comes first. Offense comes with development and our best prospect isn't known for being a gritty defender and if Russell becomes our best player. We're going to have to develop defensive minded players around his lack of elite athleticism.


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Like who?

[ChokeFasncists]

We now have a stretch 5!

Pretty sure Kenny will do the Horford/BroLo thing on him.

Would be pretty good if he succeeds.

[Rich Rane]

Vincent Poirier looks so stiff in the post.

[PG13]

Caveat: Everyone looks better playing for Pop.

Yet, alot of us advocated for a Danny Green trade and Patty Mills signing. That doesn't make much sense if Pop makes everyone look better because by that logic, they will be scrubs everywhere else they go. Can't have it both ways.

Simmons looks good because he looked good before the Spurs signed him and Billy King dropped the ball. He's an athletic lengthy wing, slasher, cutter and defender. The Spurs played to his strengths. Signing here means he gets atleast the same amount of dunks and fast break points with our style of play and the fact we've got plenty of good passing guards.

You confused "everyone looks better playing for Pop" with "everyone looks terrible without Pop".

[moonpie]

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[DartboardT]

Well, would you look at that.

We now have a stretch 5!

Pretty sure Kenny will do the Horford/BroLo thing on him.

Would be pretty good if he succeeds.

[vincecarter4pres]

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Guaranteed he goes to GSW, CLE, SAS, HOU, BOS or POR.

[SpeedyG]

Here's a thought...would you guys be interested in Kevin Love? Would the Nets?

With all the difficulty of Melo to Houston due to the crappiness of RA's contract, I wonder why the Cavs aren't pitching Love for Melo? Assuming NY doesn't want Love, a workable trade would be something like Booker and Frye (both expiring) going to NY, Melo to Cavs, and Love going to us.

So back to the question, is this agreeable to Nets fans? Let's worry about value later (since its not like there's good value in the NY/Hou either way)

[MrDollarBills]

I'll pass on Love.

[Keith Van Horn]

I think Love would be a great fit here tbh. If we could get him in a 3 way trade and just send out Booker +, I'd be great with that. Only thing though is I believe it would take a first rounder to get it done in addition to NYK cap relief. Have the Nets ever helped facilitate or even make a trade with the Knicks?

[NyCeEvO]

My initial thoughts are that I'd do it. He's an allstar player entering/in his prime, superb fit (and fills a major hole), and has great character.

Playing with LBJ hasn't allowed to for Love to show the versatility that he had prior to leaving MIN.

Yes, he gets to showcase his 3pt shooting but Love used to take a lot of guys off the dribble in the midrange and foul line extended when he had the freedom to create. Love is probably the game's best outlet passer (although Lonzo Ball is already right there with him) and I'm sure that Love can be an elite facilitator in the halfcourt set as well. With the Nets, I could see him put up 20/12/4 if not more with all that he can do now and grow to do in the future.

I think Love would be a great fit here tbh. If we could get him in a 3 way trade and just send out Booker +, I'd be great with that. Only thing though is I believe it would take a first rounder to get it done in addition to NYK cap relief. Have the Nets ever helped facilitate or even make a trade with the Knicks?

No one really knows what the Knicks think is the right way forward.

If they wanted Love, they should just be able to do an easy swap of Anthony and Love. But if they don't want Love, I guess that would mean that they prefer to develop and tank with Hernangomez and Porzingis as their frontcourt for the future. And if that's the case, maybe they'd settle for just the cap space and possibly a young prospect. If not, include one of the 2nd rd picks that's bound to be high next year; and if they still want more, I'd consider one or two of the low end youngsters such as Goodwin. Maybe I'd insert RHJ but take back the 2nd rounder.

But then again, Carmelo Anthony is really a negative asset to any team that doesn't have a banana boat crew member, so I don't know if the Knicks really should get anything from us. Let Cleveland send them a 2nd rounder or a protected 2021 1st rounder or something. Just thinking out loud...

[hood30]

Here's a thought...would you guys be interested in Kevin Love? Would the Nets?

With all the difficulty of Melo to Houston due to the crappiness of RA's contract, I wonder why the Cavs aren't pitching Love for Melo? Assuming NY doesn't want Love, a workable trade would be something like Booker and Frye (both expiring) going to NY, Melo to Cavs, and Love going to us.

So back to the question, is this agreeable to Nets fans? Let's worry about value later (since its not like there's good value in the NY/Hou either way)

I'd take love since this team badly need to replace Lopez's scoring...Love would be able to do that easily + he can spread the floor at 4.

That also removes all the pressure on the guards to score....With Love, DLo/Lin won't have to average 20 each for this team to have a chance.

Nets probably makes that deal if someone agree on taking Nicholson's contract.

[vincecarter4pres]

Yeah, I love the idea of Love. If Cleveland would really trade him in a 3 way deal and the Knicks don't want him, but want salary relief and realize that's basically all they're getting, I'd be stoked if we were that 3rd team.

[Netaman]

Kevin Love would be an unbelievable addition but I think Cleveland would need a lot more than Melo to give him up. Obviously they struck out in their attempts, but they know he's the only asset they have to land any sort of star that's still in their prime (unlike Melo, who is kind of the last thing the Cavs need).

[NyCeEvO]

Here's a thought...would you guys be interested in Kevin Love? Would the Nets?

With all the difficulty of Melo to Houston due to the crappiness of RA's contract, I wonder why the Cavs aren't pitching Love for Melo? Assuming NY doesn't want Love, a workable trade would be something like Booker and Frye (both expiring) going to NY, Melo to Cavs, and Love going to us.

So back to the question, is this agreeable to Nets fans? Let's worry about value later (since its not like there's good value in the NY/Hou either way)

I'd take love since this team badly need to replace Lopez's scoring...Love would be able to do that easily + he can spread the floor at 4.

That also removes all the pressure on the guards to score....With Love, DLo/Lin won't have to average 20 each for this team to have a chance.

Nets probably makes that deal if someone agree on taking Nicholson's contract.

I'd make the deal without sending away Nicholson. His contract is nowhere near enough of an impediment to warrant me not doing that deal.

If Nicholson went out, it would be absolute highway robbery.

[NyCeEvO]

Kevin Love would be an unbelievable addition but I think Cleveland would need a lot more than Melo to give him up. Obviously they struck out in their attempts, but they know he's the only asset they have to land any sort of star that's still in their prime (unlike Melo, who is kind of the last thing the Cavs need).

The fact that this is a deal that pleases LBJ and could possibly sway his decision to stay in Cleveland should be more than enough value for the Cavs. I don't think the Cavs really have the right to ask for more because they are the ones actively pushing to acquire Melo. You can't be the one in search of Melo and then ask for more than him because you think Love warrants more. You either believe Melo fills a role better than Love could or you keep Love. Cleveland can't bake its cake and eat it too.

Additionally, it's logistically tough to get more going to a team like Cleveland in 3-way deals. You don't really trade a younger allstar away, receive an older/former star, send cap space to another team and have a bunch of other pieces going all over. Melo and Love are huge building blocks in a trade (because of their contracts as well as perceived talent levels). This really should be a 1-1 deal but if NYK doesn't want Love then you're simply looking for a team that is willing to take him on and send someone back whose main value is to balance the deal cap-wise.

[Papi_swav]

Na Love could stay where he's at, not interested .

[Hello Brooklyn]

Why would we want Love?

What has he proven in this league? Hes either a third banana or the best player on a bad team.

I don't see how Love fits into our rebuild. Just seems like he would get in the way.

[lin is ok]

Why would we want Love?

What has he proven in this league? Hes either a third banana or the best player on a bad team.

I don't see how Love fits into our rebuild. Just seems like he would get in the way.

He can ruin the Celtics pick , plus create a winning culture. That in itself is worth it. Why is the Celtics doing well? Good coach , and Isiah Thomas, beat the doubters.