The MeloPause Trade Thread

[bigfnjoe96]

The news just keeps on getting better... Come correct, or don't come at all Morey. Your Fake Hustle has been made homie.

Now we let Melo know, we ain't trading you. Bring your practice hoody to the practice facility and get to F'N work...

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[TruthBeTold]

I see some of you people honestly believe that Melo will opt out of his contract after next season if he remains with the Knicks this season. Meaning, he will pass on the nearly 30 million remaining on his contract to go play for a contender on a smaller contract. I would truly be shocked if I see that happened. Moreover, I don't even see Melo getting a longer contract at his age.

And if Melo truly wants to win and play for contender now, why would he want to come back to New York? If Melo wants to remain with the Knicks now instead of playing a for championship, why would he opt out of getting the nearly 30 million dollars remaining on his contract, so he can finally go play for a contender? If Melo truly wants to win now, he will push to leave the Knicks now. If he wants New York, then expect Melo to be with the Knicks for the remainder of his contract. If Melo truly wants out of NYC now like he did in Denver, then he will tell Knicks management to make it happen some how or find a way to buy him out.

With all that said, none of us truly knows what Melo is thinking and feeling. Now that the Knicks are showing interest in bring him back, the decision Melo makes, and how hard he push to be traded now, will say a lot about Melo. Stay Tuned.

[SARGO127]

This organization can go fk it's self

I know it's not going to make all the difference... I usually go to 4 or 5 games a year. This year I'll be attending 0 if Melo is on the roster. No longer going to watch this dumpster fire wanna-be treadmill team.

[thebuzzardman]

Solid start for the new guy. Looks like he's not a dumbass like Phil and will maybe try get a little value back for Melo. We got all summer, and longer if need be, to get a decent deal.

Surprise, surprise, Phil's fanboys crying about this . Don't worry, no body is gonna steal away Ryan Anderson or Myers Leonard.

Melo doesn't have much value at the level he is paid. Phil tried to get offers and found out there was no market, which led to thinking into a buy-out. The buy-out was the right move for the Knicks organization.

Melo hasn't had a market for him at 25m per year, since the Bulls were only willing to offer him the 4 yrs $70m the Knicks are now paying Hardaway.

This new GM isn't going to magically turn Melo into Gordon, Ariza & Capella.
Rockets would be fools to buy at that cost, even CP3 will understand that.

Folks say the NTC makes a trade complicated and it's true, but there's still $55m remaining across two years, and it's a lot of money to pay for someone who pushed their current coach out of NY and is so selective on defense.

Here's what I honestly think is the issue. (I'm just going to rehash what is obvious) Melo wants the Rockets, the Rockets want Melo and the KNicks want to trade Melo. Ryan Anderson is the only logical piece, outside of Gordon/Ariza and I think that that combination thins out the Rockets bench and I just don't see it. MAYBE Gordon and like 4 spare pieces, but still some of that "thinning", in that Melo/Ryno/Ariza gets a little forward heavy but anyway. Anderson is the logical move but the league established "we are looking for 2 # 1's to take on your big ass mistake, Morey". Also, look at it this way - a team taking on Ryno will want some compensation, so figure the Blazers even though they get rid of Leonard (or Crabbe) still take on 3 years and 20 million. Even if it's logically sort of 3 years and 10 million because they get to eject Leonard or Crabbe, they want a #1 (half the asking price of full absorb of Ryno). Knicks want Harkless, so again, Portland is dealing an ok young piece AND taking on Anderson, so minimum logic is the #1, though Anderson has some value in and of himself.

The Knicks are looking, rightly so, to get a young player (Harkless) and a pick or another young player\piece of value. This is figuring that Melo's value is 2 "ok" pieces - basically young "ok" player and 1st round pick of some kind, probably low 1st (acknowledges reality Melo only wants to go to a contender)
Now, the issue is "Who the f*ck wants Leonard and HIS overpaid ass? Welp, at 1/2 the price of Ryno and the same years, looks like the price of taking on Leonard is, you guessed it, a #1 pick. Now that's two picks, and I don't think Portland is dealing one of theirs because why? They are absorbing Ryno based partly on need for spread the floor 4/3, but also to get a pick/partial salary dump. If you think the Knicks want a pick, that's theoretically 3 picks - Portland (a given), team that takes Leonard (a given), Knicks - not a given.

So,the 4th team, I think, has to be a team that will take Leonard, gets a pick, but has to have an asset that the Knicks want in terms of need/value/Leonards contract fit? because they aren't getting a pick. (my theory)

The hold ups are
a) Morey balking at the reality he has to give up 2 picks to get rid of Ryno, no matter how many teams you add to the trade - not a total d*ck move because the picks will have to be next year and then the year after and there is a chance the Rockets will start to fade 3 years from now

b) The obvious difficulty of finding a partner with a similar contact size to Leonard (or w/ cap space) who want to trade an "ok" asset for the honor of absorbing Leonards contract for a #1 pick.

To me, the most logical partner is the Nets as 4th team, as they've shown a willingness to take on contracts (and interest in Crabbe) for picks and have space, and Lin is a bit redundant with Russell, unless they both play in a defensively challenged backcourt, which the Nets might not care about, because tank
or
The Suns, as Bledsoe is what the Knicks want/need, but I don't see why the Suns absorb Leonard or even Crabbe for the honor of a pick 3 years from now that might be middle of the 1st round at best, but could be in the 20's.


To summarize:
Rockets get the best player in the deal and get out of a year of Anderson and the overpay they gave him (diff between Melo and Ryno contracts)

Blazers get an upgrade in player over Crabbe or Leonard, but have to take on some more salary, lose an ok young piece, so they need a #1

Knicks trade the best player in the deal, need a couple of decent but not great assets back. Harkless is one, what is the other?

Mystery team #4 is going to take on Leonard or Crabbe, so either they get compensated for Leonard (sucks/sh*t contract) or they love Crabbe enough to get involved w/o getting a pick

Nets could be in for Crabbe and send Lin to the Knicks. Could be in for Leonard and a pick.

Suns could be in for Crabbe? (they seem a little thin at backup SG - expensive solve though) Leonard (they'd have to love picks because they already have a lot of young bigs). Mentioned only because Bledsoe so clearly solves a Knicks issue

[ny-n-md]

I am glad that Melo staying is a real option. He never deserved the treatment Phil gave him. I don't care what anybody says. If he finishes his career as a Knick I would not mind at all. This franchise has been a dumpster fire before Melo, that's not on him. To trade an aging star just for the sake of being rid of him is ridiculous. Unless the return is beneficial with assets it makes no sense at all. Yet we hold players to this standard of loyalty to teams but the team will ship you out whenever they want? He should be allowed to retire a Knick. I don't care what y'all have to say.

[BowlRips]

Harkless Meyers Leonard and a 2020 first isn't the right deal for us. 2 more guaranteed contracts through 2020 starting at 20mil a year and rising.
I think if you could ditch Leonard it's a lot more interesting but as is- no reason knicks should accept that package. Make Houston give up another asset to get Leonard off our books

[thebuzzardman]

Harkless Meyers Leonard and a 2020 first isn't the right deal for us. 2 more guaranteed contracts through 2020 starting at 20mil a year and rising.
I think if you could ditch Leonard it's a lot more interesting but as is- no reason knicks should accept that package. Make Houston give up another asset to get Leonard off our books

I totally agree. Look at my small e-book up above. I think I laid out how a fair deal happens, and honestly, it's basically a paraphrase of 100's of pages of posts.

Rockets want Melo. Rockets want rid of Ryno. Blazers want Ryno (for some reason) but need to shed 20 million to take him on. The good news for the Blazers is they get to get rid of one bad contract as a given just to participate. (Leonard or Crabbe). They are going to want a pick for the service of taking on Anderson. One should do it, as they get to shed Leonard. Blazers don't care who takes him.

Knicks DO care about taking Leonard because both he and his contract suck. They get Harkless, which is like 1/2 value for Melo, so a 4th team is needed to take Leonard (or Crabbe) AND give the Knicks value. So that team has to either like Crabbe (will take him w/o a pick) or be willing to take Leonard (no one likes him) for a pick

This is the entire hold up. And if the above can't happen, don't do the deal.

[ForzaMetro]

It's been long enough. Can we un-pause now?

[Amsterdam]

The New York Knicks are pausing trade talks centered on Carmelo Anthony and want to pursue a conversation with the 10-time NBA All-Star about possibly reincorporating him into the organization, league sources told ESPN.

After talking with the Houston Rockets and Cleveland Cavaliers for nearly a month to help engineer deals for Anthony, the Knicks told both teams that they're stepping back from trade talks for a short time, league sources said.

Great move by Mills!
Essentially he's telling Melo and his agent,...we don't have to trade you to play with your buddies. You and your agent can help make this easier for all of us.

What's good Melo?

[Bklyn&company]

Keep Calm and Wait.... if Melo is still here... I hope we are still looking to trade pieces. Kuz (garbage player), LThomas, Lee, Noah (a dream to moved) etc...

And focus on aquiring young talented players..... to place around KP and Melo... really like the job Perry did in Sac this offseason... a nice mix bag of Vets with young players.. signing Zach and VC to mentor all that youth on the team... watched a few of their summer league games and they both were very encouraging, hype and vocally excited about the young squad... to all those tank commanders even if Melo is here we are still a bad team.. we may still be a top 5 bad team...

I am down for Melo still being here, with young players around and no ISO crap. It's KP squad now.. he has to play a David Robinson role to KP.

If he is not down then he can be traded... the power is in the Knicks front office. I believe Perry just wants to evaluate trade pieces and speak with Melo before he takes the Job.

Wishing Us Knicks and Knick Fans the best.

[Rodimus921]

If Knicks keep Melo, expect the Knicks in the playoff hunt. Hernangomez With one year experience at the 5, is an upgrade over Noah. Not to mention Porzingis working on his strength and starting his 3rd year. Also Having Thjr allegedly improved on x's and O's could be an upgrade over Lee. Having Lee coming off the bench is also upgrade with what we had last year. If we get Rondo this does kill our chances of being in the lottery, but I can see this team being 6-8 range in the playoffs.

[Jstarks3]

i hope greenie leaves after melo gets traded. the anti tkf.

[FutureKnicksGM]

Solid start for the new guy. Looks like he's not a dumbass like Phil and will maybe try get a little value back for Melo. We got all summer, and longer if need be, to get a decent deal.

Surprise, surprise, Phil's fanboys crying about this . Don't worry, no body is gonna steal away Ryan Anderson or Myers Leonard.

Melo doesn't have much value at the level he is paid. Phil tried to get offers and found out there was no market, which led to thinking into a buy-out. The buy-out was the right move for the Knicks organization.

Melo hasn't had a market for him at 25m per year, since the Bulls were only willing to offer him the 4 yrs $70m the Knicks are now paying Hardaway.

This new GM isn't going to magically turn Melo into Gordon, Ariza & Capella.
Rockets would be fools to buy at that cost, even CP3 will understand that.

Folks say the NTC makes a trade complicated and it's true, but there's still $55m remaining across two years, and it's a lot of money to pay for someone who pushed their current coach out of NY and is so selective on defense.

Phil Sucks. The only reported offer deal that even got close for 12 months he wanted to get rid of Melo, was based around Austin Rivers, bad contracts and no picks. The instant Phil is gone somehow Melo can be moved and there are two teams after him. Phil was just useless. Any asset back is better than a buy out.

$25m gets you an above average starter these days let alone a borderline all star. $70 million back then when the cap was $60 million is not the same as it is now when the cap is almost $100 million. Nice try .

No one wants those players, so the Rockets can keep them, just future picks & prospects in return.

[Kampuchea]

The potential trades looked terrible anyway. We trade Melo for a terrible contract with little or no asset attached? Just hold Melo 1-2 years when contract is up and move on.

[ezmoney707]

I can't see Melo on this team come training camp. Read between the lines. Our leverage actually increases by even the slightest showing that we are willing to keep him. The Rockets aren't beating the Warriors with or without Melo, but at the least they'll give them a fighting chance to keep CP3. Either you make a fair deal or Melo stays simple and run the risk of losing CP3 for nothing. Also you have to think Melo will pressure CP3 and Harden to push management to expand the deal because he's probably so far down the road with this going to Houston thing that he's ready to leave town.

[Crunchknicks1]

I really think we end up trading for Knight when it's said and done.

[Adelheid]

Darn, the thread title sounds like menopause lol

[knicks9784]

I am glad that Melo staying is a real option. He never deserved the treatment Phil gave him. I don't care what anybody says. If he finishes his career as a Knick I would not mind at all. This franchise has been a dumpster fire before Melo, that's not on him. To trade an aging star just for the sake of being rid of him is ridiculous. Unless the return is beneficial with assets it makes no sense at all. Yet we hold players to this standard of loyalty to teams but the team will ship you out whenever they want? He should be allowed to retire a Knick. I don't care what y'all have to say.

did you forget all the people melo got fired? melo is no victim, nor hero here. its been a disaster and everyone here has done their part to run this thing into the ground, including melo. its not melo vs dolan, or melo vs phil, or melo vs d'antoni. its just been a collective failure on all ends, players all the way to management.

[BadNewsBarnes]

"The Knicks have reached an agreement in principle on a deal to make Perry the team's new GM, but consummation of the hiring is pending the Knicks and Kings arriving at terms on compensation, league sources said."

So is the compensation Melo? LOL

[Tron Carter]

"The Knicks have reached an agreement in principle on a deal to make Perry the team's new GM, but consummation of the hiring is pending the Knicks and Kings arriving at terms on compensation, league sources said."

So is the compensation Melo? LOL

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