The MeloPause Trade Thread

[Traveyknicks23]

i hope greenie leaves after melo gets traded. the anti tkf.

Stop b

[F N 11]

We can all get back to our lives now. I'll be back when there's another bomb.

[Huey Freeman]

Here's what I honestly think is the issue. (I'm just going to rehash what is obvious) Melo wants the Rockets, the Rockets want Melo and the KNicks want to trade Melo. Ryan Anderson is the only logical piece, outside of Gordon/Ariza and I think that that combination thins out the Rockets bench and I just don't see it. MAYBE Gordon and like 4 spare pieces, but still some of that "thinning", in that Melo/Ryno/Ariza gets a little forward heavy but anyway. Anderson is the logical move but the league established "we are looking for 2 # 1's to take on your big ass mistake, Morey". Also, look at it this way - a team taking on Ryno will want some compensation, so figure the Blazers even though they get rid of Leonard (or Crabbe) still take on 3 years and 20 million. Even if it's logically sort of 3 years and 10 million because they get to eject Leonard or Crabbe, they want a #1 (half the asking price of full absorb of Ryno). Knicks want Harkless, so again, Portland is dealing an ok young piece AND taking on Anderson, so minimum logic is the #1, though Anderson has some value in and of himself.

The Knicks are looking, rightly so, to get a young player (Harkless) and a pick or another young player\piece of value. This is figuring that Melo's value is 2 "ok" pieces - basically young "ok" player and 1st round pick of some kind, probably low 1st (acknowledges reality Melo only wants to go to a contender)
Now, the issue is "Who the f*ck wants Leonard and HIS overpaid ass? Welp, at 1/2 the price of Ryno and the same years, looks like the price of taking on Leonard is, you guessed it, a #1 pick. Now that's two picks, and I don't think Portland is dealing one of theirs because why? They are absorbing Ryno based partly on need for spread the floor 4/3, but also to get a pick/partial salary dump. If you think the Knicks want a pick, that's theoretically 3 picks - Portland (a given), team that takes Leonard (a given), Knicks - not a given.

So,the 4th team, I think, has to be a team that will take Leonard, gets a pick, but has to have an asset that the Knicks want in terms of need/value/Leonards contract fit? because they aren't getting a pick. (my theory)

The hold ups are
a) Morey balking at the reality he has to give up 2 picks to get rid of Ryno, no matter how many teams you add to the trade - not a total d*ck move because the picks will have to be next year and then the year after and there is a chance the Rockets will start to fade 3 years from now

b) The obvious difficulty of finding a partner with a similar contact size to Leonard (or w/ cap space) who want to trade an "ok" asset for the honor of absorbing Leonards contract for a #1 pick.

To me, the most logical partner is the Nets as 4th team, as they've shown a willingness to take on contracts (and interest in Crabbe) for picks and have space, and Lin is a bit redundant with Russell, unless they both play in a defensively challenged backcourt, which the Nets might not care about, because tank
or
The Suns, as Bledsoe is what the Knicks want/need, but I don't see why the Suns absorb Leonard or even Crabbe for the honor of a pick 3 years from now that might be middle of the 1st round at best, but could be in the 20's.


To summarize:
Rockets get the best player in the deal and get out of a year of Anderson and the overpay they gave him (diff between Melo and Ryno contracts)

Blazers get an upgrade in player over Crabbe or Leonard, but have to take on some more salary, lose an ok young piece, so they need a #1

Knicks trade the best player in the deal, need a couple of decent but not great assets back. Harkless is one, what is the other?

Mystery team #4 is going to take on Leonard or Crabbe, so either they get compensated for Leonard (sucks/sh*t contract) or they love Crabbe enough to get involved w/o getting a pick

Nets could be in for Crabbe and send Lin to the Knicks. Could be in for Leonard and a pick.

Suns could be in for Crabbe? (they seem a little thin at backup SG - expensive solve though) Leonard (they'd have to love picks because they already have a lot of young bigs). Mentioned only because Bledsoe so clearly solves a Knicks issue

I don't think you thought this out enough.

[thebuzzardman]

Here's what I honestly think is the issue. (I'm just going to rehash what is obvious) Melo wants the Rockets, the Rockets want Melo and the KNicks want to trade Melo. Ryan Anderson is the only logical piece, outside of Gordon/Ariza and I think that that combination thins out the Rockets bench and I just don't see it. MAYBE Gordon and like 4 spare pieces, but still some of that "thinning", in that Melo/Ryno/Ariza gets a little forward heavy but anyway. Anderson is the logical move but the league established "we are looking for 2 # 1's to take on your big ass mistake, Morey". Also, look at it this way - a team taking on Ryno will want some compensation, so figure the Blazers even though they get rid of Leonard (or Crabbe) still take on 3 years and 20 million. Even if it's logically sort of 3 years and 10 million because they get to eject Leonard or Crabbe, they want a #1 (half the asking price of full absorb of Ryno). Knicks want Harkless, so again, Portland is dealing an ok young piece AND taking on Anderson, so minimum logic is the #1, though Anderson has some value in and of himself.

The Knicks are looking, rightly so, to get a young player (Harkless) and a pick or another young player\piece of value. This is figuring that Melo's value is 2 "ok" pieces - basically young "ok" player and 1st round pick of some kind, probably low 1st (acknowledges reality Melo only wants to go to a contender)
Now, the issue is "Who the f*ck wants Leonard and HIS overpaid ass? Welp, at 1/2 the price of Ryno and the same years, looks like the price of taking on Leonard is, you guessed it, a #1 pick. Now that's two picks, and I don't think Portland is dealing one of theirs because why? They are absorbing Ryno based partly on need for spread the floor 4/3, but also to get a pick/partial salary dump. If you think the Knicks want a pick, that's theoretically 3 picks - Portland (a given), team that takes Leonard (a given), Knicks - not a given.

So,the 4th team, I think, has to be a team that will take Leonard, gets a pick, but has to have an asset that the Knicks want in terms of need/value/Leonards contract fit? because they aren't getting a pick. (my theory)

The hold ups are
a) Morey balking at the reality he has to give up 2 picks to get rid of Ryno, no matter how many teams you add to the trade - not a total d*ck move because the picks will have to be next year and then the year after and there is a chance the Rockets will start to fade 3 years from now

b) The obvious difficulty of finding a partner with a similar contact size to Leonard (or w/ cap space) who want to trade an "ok" asset for the honor of absorbing Leonards contract for a #1 pick.

To me, the most logical partner is the Nets as 4th team, as they've shown a willingness to take on contracts (and interest in Crabbe) for picks and have space, and Lin is a bit redundant with Russell, unless they both play in a defensively challenged backcourt, which the Nets might not care about, because tank
or
The Suns, as Bledsoe is what the Knicks want/need, but I don't see why the Suns absorb Leonard or even Crabbe for the honor of a pick 3 years from now that might be middle of the 1st round at best, but could be in the 20's.


To summarize:
Rockets get the best player in the deal and get out of a year of Anderson and the overpay they gave him (diff between Melo and Ryno contracts)

Blazers get an upgrade in player over Crabbe or Leonard, but have to take on some more salary, lose an ok young piece, so they need a #1

Knicks trade the best player in the deal, need a couple of decent but not great assets back. Harkless is one, what is the other?

Mystery team #4 is going to take on Leonard or Crabbe, so either they get compensated for Leonard (sucks/sh*t contract) or they love Crabbe enough to get involved w/o getting a pick

Nets could be in for Crabbe and send Lin to the Knicks. Could be in for Leonard and a pick.

Suns could be in for Crabbe? (they seem a little thin at backup SG - expensive solve though) Leonard (they'd have to love picks because they already have a lot of young bigs). Mentioned only because Bledsoe so clearly solves a Knicks issue

I don't think you thought this out enough.

It's just a rehash of 220 pages.

[dakomish23]

They did such a great job with the 1st 2. Can't wait.

I will tell you this don't go into this movie expecting crazy action.

But damn this movie was fantastic

LOL, you guys for real? The trailer for this looked stupid. Why are apes talking in perfect English?

I guess you have a point. We can't even get some posters on this board to talk in understandable English.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Here's what I honestly think is the issue. (I'm just going to rehash what is obvious) Melo wants the Rockets, the Rockets want Melo and the KNicks want to trade Melo. Ryan Anderson is the only logical piece, outside of Gordon/Ariza and I think that that combination thins out the Rockets bench and I just don't see it. MAYBE Gordon and like 4 spare pieces, but still some of that "thinning", in that Melo/Ryno/Ariza gets a little forward heavy but anyway. Anderson is the logical move but the league established "we are looking for 2 # 1's to take on your big ass mistake, Morey". Also, look at it this way - a team taking on Ryno will want some compensation, so figure the Blazers even though they get rid of Leonard (or Crabbe) still take on 3 years and 20 million. Even if it's logically sort of 3 years and 10 million because they get to eject Leonard or Crabbe, they want a #1 (half the asking price of full absorb of Ryno). Knicks want Harkless, so again, Portland is dealing an ok young piece AND taking on Anderson, so minimum logic is the #1, though Anderson has some value in and of himself.

The Knicks are looking, rightly so, to get a young player (Harkless) and a pick or another young player\piece of value. This is figuring that Melo's value is 2 "ok" pieces - basically young "ok" player and 1st round pick of some kind, probably low 1st (acknowledges reality Melo only wants to go to a contender)
Now, the issue is "Who the f*ck wants Leonard and HIS overpaid ass? Welp, at 1/2 the price of Ryno and the same years, looks like the price of taking on Leonard is, you guessed it, a #1 pick. Now that's two picks, and I don't think Portland is dealing one of theirs because why? They are absorbing Ryno based partly on need for spread the floor 4/3, but also to get a pick/partial salary dump. If you think the Knicks want a pick, that's theoretically 3 picks - Portland (a given), team that takes Leonard (a given), Knicks - not a given.

So,the 4th team, I think, has to be a team that will take Leonard, gets a pick, but has to have an asset that the Knicks want in terms of need/value/Leonards contract fit? because they aren't getting a pick. (my theory)

The hold ups are
a) Morey balking at the reality he has to give up 2 picks to get rid of Ryno, no matter how many teams you add to the trade - not a total d*ck move because the picks will have to be next year and then the year after and there is a chance the Rockets will start to fade 3 years from now

b) The obvious difficulty of finding a partner with a similar contact size to Leonard (or w/ cap space) who want to trade an "ok" asset for the honor of absorbing Leonards contract for a #1 pick.

To me, the most logical partner is the Nets as 4th team, as they've shown a willingness to take on contracts (and interest in Crabbe) for picks and have space, and Lin is a bit redundant with Russell, unless they both play in a defensively challenged backcourt, which the Nets might not care about, because tank
or
The Suns, as Bledsoe is what the Knicks want/need, but I don't see why the Suns absorb Leonard or even Crabbe for the honor of a pick 3 years from now that might be middle of the 1st round at best, but could be in the 20's.


To summarize:
Rockets get the best player in the deal and get out of a year of Anderson and the overpay they gave him (diff between Melo and Ryno contracts)

Blazers get an upgrade in player over Crabbe or Leonard, but have to take on some more salary, lose an ok young piece, so they need a #1

Knicks trade the best player in the deal, need a couple of decent but not great assets back. Harkless is one, what is the other?

Mystery team #4 is going to take on Leonard or Crabbe, so either they get compensated for Leonard (sucks/sh*t contract) or they love Crabbe enough to get involved w/o getting a pick

Nets could be in for Crabbe and send Lin to the Knicks. Could be in for Leonard and a pick.

Suns could be in for Crabbe? (they seem a little thin at backup SG - expensive solve though) Leonard (they'd have to love picks because they already have a lot of young bigs). Mentioned only because Bledsoe so clearly solves a Knicks issue

I don't think you thought this out enough.

It's just a rehash of 220 pages.

Good summary.

[Crunchknicks1]

Man just keep melo and get a point to help Frank and call it a day.

[thebuzzardman]

I guess if I wanted a true rehash of 220 pages I'd have included:

Pelicans are rumored for some reason
Pistons are rumored for some reason
Jazz are rumored for some reason

I honestly don't know who they have that they'd send to the Knicks, which seems to be each teams place in the puzzle.

Also, to recap:

Big head Kidd Jr may or may not have sources from Courtney Lee
Some Rodriguez guy is FOS
Most of the tweets are retweets and retweets of retweets of base conjecture
Greenie hates everyone who hates Melo
NotPhilJackson may or may not have banged Dan Patrick's daughter
Allegations were made about banging Wingo's aunt

[F N 11]

Man just keep melo and get a point to help Frank and call it a day.

You sound defeated. Relax I'm learning to let it just be.

[Juco24]

I know most people are down on Brandon Knight, but trading Lee for him makes a LOT of sense. We're in need of a stop-gap PG until Frank is ready. Knight's contract is no longer than Lee's. from the rumors, Phoenix is willing to part with him and he's only 25! Lastly, he played his best basketball under Hornacek!
Knight (Hornacek's version) Frank
Hardaway - Dotson
Willie - Oquinn
Melo - Kuz
KP - Thomas

Many will hate this... but per position - I'd expect improvement throughout, the triangle is scrapped, Knight's a MUCH BETTER defender than Rose. KP a year stronger and matured as with Hernangomez. This is a playoff team and a young team.

[thebuzzardman]

If the Knicks are stuck with Melo, what drive and kick PG is available to take advantage of Melo, KP, THJr, Frank N (when he plays off the ball) and CLee - or drop CLee if he's dealt for said 12 million per year PG

Who is out there, that a team might realistically trade or as a FA?

Brandon Jennings for 1 year deal? (gah)
CLee for Bledsoe (do the Suns need a back SG that bad? I think they need one)
?
?

[thebuzzardman]

I know most people are down on Brandon Knight, but trading Lee for him makes a LOT of sense. We're in need of a stop-gap PG until Frank is ready. Knight's contract is no longer than Lee's. from the rumors, Phoenix is willing to part with him and he's only 25! Lastly, he played his best basketball under Hornacek!
Knight (Hornacek's version) Frank
Hardaway - Dotson
Willie - Oquinn
Melo - Kuz
KP - Thomas

Many will hate this... but per position - I'd expect improvement throughout, the triangle is scrapped, Knight's a MUCH BETTER defender than Rose. KP a year stronger and matured as with Hernangomez. This is a playoff team and a young team.

One strong reason is that he absolutely sucks as a PG

Also his contract is a little bit more - although only a million or so per year. Still.

[Crunchknicks1]

I agree go get knight

[dakomish23]

Solid start for the new guy. Looks like he's not a dumbass like Phil and will maybe try get a little value back for Melo. We got all summer, and longer if need be, to get a decent deal.

Surprise, surprise, Phil's fanboys crying about this . Don't worry, no body is gonna steal away Ryan Anderson or Myers Leonard.

Melo doesn't have much value at the level he is paid. Phil tried to get offers and found out there was no market, which led to thinking into a buy-out. The buy-out was the right move for the Knicks organization.

Melo hasn't had a market for him at 25m per year, since the Bulls were only willing to offer him the 4 yrs $70m the Knicks are now paying Hardaway.

This new GM isn't going to magically turn Melo into Gordon, Ariza & Capella.
Rockets would be fools to buy at that cost, even CP3 will understand that.

Folks say the NTC makes a trade complicated and it's true, but there's still $55m remaining across two years, and it's a lot of money to pay for someone who pushed their current coach out of NY and is so selective on defense.

Unequivocally false.

CHI couldn't give him a max and keep their core

He had max offers from HOU, DAL & LAL.

Why folks need to lie in their anti Melo rants is beyond me. You don't like how he plays? Cool. You want to rebuild? Me too.

There's no need for the ridiculous fabrication to get these points across.

[god shammgod]

what i want to know is how you name a child sir....that's like having a dog named dog

[Knicksfan1992]

Lol at all the anti-Melo posters squirming now because their scapegoat is still around...

[Crunchknicks1]

He avg 5 assts per game and he only 25. And he avg 15 a game. If you could get him for lee who is 31 and is not part of the long term plains here. Then you do that trade and run.

[battabing10]

LOL wow, some of you posters are hilarious.

You're crying that the front office didn't pull the trigger on a Melo trade (yet), but you have NO IDEA about the parameters of any deal or who/what might have been involved. LOL I swear, some of you could NEVER be a Real GM of ANY team.

Please remember, the front office is not operating for your entertainment or approval. This is real life, not fantasy basketball. For them to pause this deal means 1 of 3 things:

1.) The new GM wants to review all the details of every proposal in order to proceed with what's in the BEST possible interest of the franchise.

2.) The proposed deals were awful, needed to be reworked and revisited, and are being fixed as we speak -- again for what's in the BEST possible interest of the franchise.

3.) The new GM is putting teams on notice that there's a new sheriff in town and that if Houston or Cleveland wants our franchise player, THEY are going to have to pay for it, not the other way around.

So, somebody please explain to me why ANY of this is bad for the KNICKS??? Or is it just bad for your entertainment right now, because the front office is not playing their hand in public and you're not seeing what YOU want to see when YOU want to see it???

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good post. knicks have to win this trade. can't allow melo to screw the knicks on the way out. FOH

[F N 11]

I agree go get knight

You need help

[Tron Carter]

He avg 5 assts per game and he only 25. And he avg 15 a game. If you could get him for lee who is 31 and is not part of the long term plains here. Then you do that trade and run.

and you want brandon knight part of the long term plan?