2017 Nets Offseason Thread III

[Netaman]

We should stop talking about Love, Cavs will not trade him for nothing.

Agreed. Monroe is somewhat similar, a lot more realistic, and on a shorter contract. Not saying I'm 100% in favor of it, but I can see the logic in adding either player. This roster is desperately missing an offensively skilled player in the front court.

[Vae Victus]

Bucks are better off waiting for Monroe to expire, no point trading him if it requires an asset, but if...

Monroe + 1st for Booker + BOS 2nd

Monroe has garbage D and doesnt shoot 3s, but he can play some backup C and can score inside very well, he's very fluid in the paint on offense. BRK gets a pick and Bucks save about 9 mil off the cap and get a late 2nd.

Still highly doubtful Monroe gets moved.

JaMychal Green 3 years 50 mil?!? Who here said that?!?!? At most i can imagine 4 years 50 mil, but thats one helluva overpay.

[Paradise]

We should stop talking about Love, Cavs will not trade him for nothing.

We could easily throw in Dinwiddie, Goodwin, Kilpatrick and help Cleveland land Melo and we take back Love while CLE sends out expiring pieces to NY.

I don't see who we are offending with that offer. The Rockets constructed a similar deal with LAC.

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[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't understand why we even brought up Love.

The only way the Cavs move love is so the Knicks can get compensation for Melo.

What can we possibly offer them? Picks are off of the table. We don't have much young talent. Its completely unrealistic.

[hood30]

Fighting for the 8th seed?

So basically you want us to model ourselves after the Detroit Pistons. No thanks.

Maybe RHJ and Allen can actually learn a few thing from Love which could help their development in the future....Losing 70 games next year will not do anything for your rebuild nor will your young guys learn much from getting their head bashed every night.

You only give a **** about Jeremy Lin winning games, not their development. Please stop the concern trolling.

Here we go again with your foolish rant about Lin..How about you stop responding to my post instead of whining like a child...So what if I wanted to see someone that's actually good play for this team...I actually paid $200 to watch the Nets play last year, so I don't see why I can't have a damn opinion without child like you always making an issue out of it.

[Hello Brooklyn]

See...I think this is why I brought up Love. I find his situation a very intriguing one for us.

Yes, he's not a great or even good defender. But he's also not a center. He's not going to be tasked at protecting the rim, which Lopez was. That got him killed on pnr situations. Teams can still try and pick on him, but isn't that why we drafted Allen for?

Offensively, he does bring a lot of what Lopez brought. Which quite frankly, this team needs. We can debate whether he presents a winning attitude or not, but let's put this in perspective;

In the past week, we've talked about adding Porter for 4 years, KCP for 4 years (both at max), taking on Allen Crabbe's 3(?) years, Ryan Anderson's 3 years, Green/Simmons for 3-4 years...

And suddenly we're too good for Love's 2+1 contract?

It's not about Boston's pick. At some point, this team DOES need to win, especially on the heels of trading one of our leaders and culture builder in Brook. Love has never been able to carry a team, no doubt. But in the right system? With the right support? Why can't he be a valuable piece for 2-3 years?

I mean, let's face it..this rebuild will take longer than 2-3 years. By the time our young core develops and hits their prime, Love's contract will be over with.

If we're talking about adding a player/contract, we can do much worse than Love. That is, unless you think there's a FA that will sign with us outright...and even then, again, how much better is that player than Love?

I don't understand what Love brings to the table.

He is not capable of being the best player on a winning team. If he was then Minnesota wouldn't have missed the playoffs for all of those years.

All he has proven is that he can be a sidekick to LeBron. He hasn't preformed well in either of the Finals that hes been to. If anything hes been a detriment to the Cavs.

I just don't think Kevin Love is the guy I want being the leader of the team.

And what about the cap space?

Kevin Love is not worth the 30 million a year he is getting. Hes just not good enough.

If we establish a winning culture then players will want to come here. Its New York City for **** sake. Who wouldn't want to be a star in the best city in the country?

In 2 or 3 years down the line we could be looking at Kyrie or Anthony Davis.

We don't "need to win." We need to rebuild. Shortcuts don't work. We already tried that with Billy King.

[3pt_chucker]

We should stop talking about Love, Cavs will not trade him for nothing.

Also Love to Melo is a downgrade IMO. Makes no sense from a Cavs stand point.

[jtsmith]

Am I the only one that wants Melo to stay with the Knicks? It'll create more turmoil and delay their rebuild. Both of which will make Brooklyn the NY team to watch.

[CalamityX12]

Am I the only one that wants Melo to stay with the Knicks? It'll create more turmoil and delay their rebuild. Both of which will make Brooklyn the NY team to watch.

I actually want to stay on the NYK to serve out as a punishment. Screw him... of all the crap going on in NYK land, why should he bolt them to a contender... don't do him any favors.

Let him rot in NY.

[Crunky]

I want nothing to do with Kevin Love, enough of these one dimensional players.

[Mkdaman1818]

No Simmons for us

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[moonpie]

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[MrDollarBills]

See...I think this is why I brought up Love. I find his situation a very intriguing one for us.

Yes, he's not a great or even good defender. But he's also not a center. He's not going to be tasked at protecting the rim, which Lopez was. That got him killed on pnr situations. Teams can still try and pick on him, but isn't that why we drafted Allen for?

Offensively, he does bring a lot of what Lopez brought. Which quite frankly, this team needs. We can debate whether he presents a winning attitude or not, but let's put this in perspective;

In the past week, we've talked about adding Porter for 4 years, KCP for 4 years (both at max), taking on Allen Crabbe's 3(?) years, Ryan Anderson's 3 years, Green/Simmons for 3-4 years...

And suddenly we're too good for Love's 2+1 contract?

It's not about Boston's pick. At some point, this team DOES need to win, especially on the heels of trading one of our leaders and culture builder in Brook. Love has never been able to carry a team, no doubt. But in the right system? With the right support? Why can't he be a valuable piece for 2-3 years?

I mean, let's face it..this rebuild will take longer than 2-3 years. By the time our young core develops and hits their prime, Love's contract will be over with.

If we're talking about adding a player/contract, we can do much worse than Love. That is, unless you think there's a FA that will sign with us outright...and even then, again, how much better is that player than Love?

Great first point, although I can counter that and say that teams will attempt to draw out Love on a switch regardless of him being a rim defender or not, but I digress.

i just find it hypocritical regardless that everyone dogged Lopez for being a nothingburger on defense and then all of a sudden start swooning over Kevin Love, another one way player who posts good numbers but doesn't equate to wins when he's the centerpiece of a team, and he will have the Nets in the playoffs. More than likely, that won't be the case either. I don't think Love moves the needle anymore than Brook Lopez does tbh, despite love being better. This is a clear cut case of another man's trash being another man's treasure.

It's a moot point. At some point yeah the team needs to win, but it will be a slow grind towards that. Getting impatient isn't going to make things better.

[Crunky]

We need a top10 pick to take on Kevin Love or else Marks deserves to get fired.

[MrDollarBills]

I think ya'll looking at the Love angle all wrong.

MDB's hairtrigger attack on a Lin fan was rather expected but misguided. If this team trades for Love, that means he was obtained for scraps, so huge win already, as i dont see Marks trading real value for him. While he's definitely the definition of an "empty stats" star who plays lazy defense to go after rebounds, he's still a "star" around this league. He blocks RHJ at PF, who while a nice young player isnt the prospect on the level of DLo/Levert and needs to get heavy mins. Love will do better here than in Minny mostly due to the fact that he had terrible coaching under Rambis/McHale in a non existent system with alot of non shooters around him. Getting Love in such a deal imo makes 8th seed in the East highly likely. After that, i'd trade him + other pieces for a better fitting true superstar around the trade deadline

One shouldnt look at Love as a long term option (he's a career loser who only plays 1 side of the ball). He's more of a starting stopgap star with a "name" that can be parlayed into something better down the line. If you dont get a superstar then break him down to smaller pieces of value, which im sure will be greater than what was traded for Melo.

Oftentimes posters let their personal emotions get in the way of whats best for the team. As a Lin fan i want whats best for him, but i can easily see the angles that trading him helps the Nets, and would always advocate it since i'm able to view these things impartially.

One can dislike Love (or Lin for many others) as much as you want, but he they have undeniable value that can be parlayed if one can get over their distaste for that player.

Assuming deal is Booker + Nicholson + TOR Pick

C - Mozgov, Allen, Acy
PF- Love, RHJ
SF- Carroll, Levert, Harris
SG- DLo, SKil, Whitehead
PG- Lin, Dimwiddie

That's ALOTTTTT of 3pt shooting. If Mozgov and Carroll have bounceback seasons, the defense wont be so bad. Bench unit becomes rather strong with RHJ helping out alot on the defensive end. I honestly dont see any downside to getting Love short of trading future unprotected 1st round picks.

Also, BOSTON HAHAHAH **** YOUUUUUUU!!!!

if I let my emotions get in the way for what's best in the team i'd be in here looking for shortcuts. I'm not. I'm prepared and am onboard with the long grind that it will take to establish a substantial base of talent to build off of and restructure the Nets into a respectable franchise. That will mean that things won't come over night. It's only year 2 of Marks' terms and guys are already antsy about "oh, we've got to start winning soon". Yes of course. but it won't happen overnight.

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[Ror1997]

Good deal...

[Vae Victus]

Trading table scraps for Love is a shortcut, but one that doesnt cost the team anything and has HUGE potential payout in the future whether on the court or in future trade value.

Trading a God's ransom for old way past prime KG and PP was a shortcut that was epically stupid due to its cost and with an expected quick expiration date due to their age.

Nothing wrong with shortcuts. Just make the right ones.

Hell if i were Mark's i'd do Booker + Nicholson + 2nd for Melo.

Melo is a no defense cancer but he's on a 1+1 deal where he'll likely opt out no matter what, thus he's like an expiring. He'll likely provide alot of scoring at the 4 (or 3 if he's being a whiny bitch about playing there) and be on a MUCH better constructed team that'll space the floor properly. IF he buys in into the offensive system then he becomes even more potent on the offensive end and making playoffs guaranteed. He'll likely be on his best behaviour as his next contract is on the line. I dont think he'll cause too much chemistry drama and he can always be unceremoniously benched and his rep destroyed if he does. It's just 1 year and cost the team jack squat

I can advocate this deal for BRK even as a Lin fan and hating Melo's guts for the being the jealous punk ass bitch that got Lin railroaded out of NYK, because this deal is such a slam dunk of an easy way to add alot of talent while giving up no assets.

Anywho, good thing Simmons is off the board, that's a huge sigh of relief as another team's cap space gets killed on a non impact player. I'm still hoping for JaMychal Green at a reasonable deal, not sure what else is useful out there.

[MrDollarBills]

Melo has gotten multiple coaches fired and doesn't buy into any system that doesn't have him ISOing. I have nothing against the guy, but not thank you.

That is a short cut regardless of how you spin it. Just bringing in a big name for the sake of doing it because you think big name = wins. It doesn't always.

This is going to be a multi year process. deviating from that path will result in going back to square one, where Billy King left us, up **** 's creek without a paddle.

The stuff I'm seeing advocated here is exactly what's going on over in Manhattan with the Knicks. How's that working out for them? they look like the worst destination in pro sports right now, which is crazy to say considering we were the league's worst team

[vincecarter4pres]

Seriously, how is it a shortcut?

We don't own our pick in '18 and by '19 that pick should be devalued through natural progression and if it's not something is going very very wrong.

Love for scraps is exactly the type of move Marks should and would go for, as long as he didn't think he'd be a cancer here.

And he's mobile even though he isn't a rim protector and shot blocker, he's not the sieve it once seemed he was. Is he a good defender? Probably not, but he's mediocre to adequate and isn't going to submarine your whole lineup when he's out there.

You have him for 2 seasons to ease the transition of the young guys, promote progression and give a star's whistle to the refs. He is a guy who needs to be game planned against and frees up guys like LeVert and Russell to freelance and score within the system.

As per system, he fits Kenny's like some suede Isotoners.

Helps gives the young guys a taste of the playoffs before their rookie contracts are up and makes perspective FA's in 2 or 3 years something to think about, like hey, Love liked it there and I'm better than him, let's get it.

And as for winning teams in Minny, those rosters were often him and a flaming dumpster fire of nothingness and he still lead those teams to 40 something wins in a brutal West coast a time or 2 while even missing a lot of games. The way he's similar to Lopez is he's not a top dog, but he's definitely overall better, definitely not the defensive liability Lopez is and is the embodiment of the modern 4 minus some shot blocking, who fits into a movement based team over iso offensive system that stresses spacing, versatility and ball movement like a champ.

In the mainly unrealistic scenario where you can cop him for some expirings and a couple low level young guys like Goodwin and Whitehead, you yell, "No take backs!", at the top of your vocal range as you're faxing the signed paperwork to Secaucus with Adam Silver on the other line asking him to grab his official NBA League Office rubber stamp before Scott Perry finishes his Big Gulp full of black coffee and fish scale to end the lasting effects of his 4 day Jose Cuervo and Purple Drank bender.