Wizards Summer League/Training Camp thread

[Tricky_Kid]

Don't get your hopes up

Well, he is slow and methodical but he's not a black hole. He's known for us passing from the post. If you are focused on his offense, that's not his strength. It's passing, rebounding and defending. He doesn't finish well. Diogu is strong as an ox but nobody is taking a 33-year old overweight guy who can't jump. But again, we are keeping him barring a deal.

I don't want Diogu just to be clear...
I think there is no need for guys like Ochefu, slow guys who can't crash offensive boards, and because of his lack of fast movements fouling like crazy. You see things differently which is ok.
Auguste killed us on boards yesterday...

I like Auguste but most of his board work came against McCullough and Diogu. He destroyed McCullough. But again, find me a better cheap option than Ochefu and I'm ok with replacing him. I'm just not replacing him with a guard like Keene.

I get that we need 3rd C with Mahnini on our roster that is obvious give me some time I will try to find alternatives

[NatP4]

I would like to have Zach Auguste also lol, but I'm biased as a Notre Dame fan. They play the best system in college basketball that NBA teams also play.

[Tricky_Kid]

I don't want Diogu just to be clear...
I think there is no need for guys like Ochefu, slow guys who can't crash offensive boards, and because of his lack of fast movements fouling like crazy. You see things differently which is ok.
Auguste killed us on boards yesterday...

I like Auguste but most of his board work came against McCullough and Diogu. He destroyed McCullough. But again, find me a better cheap option than Ochefu and I'm ok with replacing him. I'm just not replacing him with a guard like Keene.

I get that we need 3rd C with Mahnini on our roster that is obvious give me some time I will try to find alternatives

Are Jeff Withey, Marreese Speights still available? Both earned less than Ochefu last Year

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[gambitx777]

This thread is absolutely stupid. Are y'all kidding me here. Your too busy bitching and moaning about who we didn't get in hind sight. Devin Robinson , is green but he shows a lot of promise Kenney Smith even praised him and gave him kind words. Young looks decent. And ochifu has been playing really well. Mac has looked horrible, he's not showing what we need to see that's for sure same with Chris. All of you are being unfair to Cunningham too! You do realise that all these guys you all wanted the wiz to grab were passed up by every team once, and most teams twice. Chill. I think it's too soon to give up on Mac and Chris, they are like 23 years old guy chirs is and was a long term project hes coming along just slower that we would like . If you wanted to ditch Mac and sign Cunningham ham that would be a bit stupid imo but you can justify it. I don't like how negative you guys are with these kids just being of your disslikes of the front office.

I'm a fan of Devin Robinson. Glad they gave him the other 2-way -- & have been suggesting they's likely do & should do it. Nor do I think Mac has looked horrible. So... not sure what you are talking about.

I was not really singling you out pif just a general complint about how people are being down on the kids a bit mainly because of a general dislike for EG.

[Dat2U]

I was not really singling you out pif just a general complint about how people are being down on the kids a bit mainly because of a general dislike for EG.

I'm not being down on the kids because of my dislike for EG.

I'm being down on them b/c for the most part none of them are any good!

Mac is honestly the best non-drafted prospect we have and like I said, there's very little that separates him and Jared Cunningham. Maybe Mac will be smarter and more disciplined than Cunningham but were talking about a marginal NBA player and not much else.

Guys like Robinson & Young are fine options to sign to a two-way deal. I have no problem with that.

The rest of the guys aren't worth the discussion. People really want to bring Ochefu back? Why, for continuity? lol

[gambitx777]

I was not really singling you out pif just a general complint about how people are being down on the kids a bit mainly because of a general dislike for EG.

I'm not being down on the kids because of my dislike for EG.

I'm being down on them b/c for the most part none of them are any good!

Mac is honestly the best non-drafted prospect we have and like I said, there's very little that separates him and Jared Cunningham. Maybe Mac will be smarter and more disciplined than Cunningham but were talking about a marginal NBA player and not much else.

Guys like Robinson & Young are fine options to sign to a two-way deal. I have no problem with that.

The rest of the guys aren't worth the discussion. People really want to bring Ochefu back? Why, for continuity? lol

Because the kid showed marked improvement, even looks like hes in better shape, is a good teammate and not selfish or immature. He is a decent young player to work on. Mac and chris are still a bit a ways off but they are both still so young, and they can get better. You want to just cut them, yet the same people who agree with that are the ones complaining that we don't develop any one and part of that is not giving up on a player too soon. Im not talking about making a choice between giving up on them or playing them big money to see if they pan out, none of these are are close to getting big money offers from any one any time soon. if they show more improvement over the net year or so, we can keep them for relatively cheap money.

[NatP4]

I was not really singling you out pif just a general complint about how people are being down on the kids a bit mainly because of a general dislike for EG.

I'm not being down on the kids because of my dislike for EG.

I'm being down on them b/c for the most part none of them are any good!

Mac is honestly the best non-drafted prospect we have and like I said, there's very little that separates him and Jared Cunningham. Maybe Mac will be smarter and more disciplined than Cunningham but were talking about a marginal NBA player and not much else.

Guys like Robinson & Young are fine options to sign to a two-way deal. I have no problem with that.

The rest of the guys aren't worth the discussion. People really want to bring Ochefu back? Why, for continuity? lol

where do you even come up with this stuff Dat? Sheldon Mac is averaging 15 points per game on 54.3% shooting from the field in his 2nd summer league after shooting 40% from the field in his rookie season in the NBA.

Jared Cunningham is averaging 17 points per game on 43% shooting as a 26 year old in his 6th season in the NBA. He's a career 34% shooter in the NBA through his 6 seasons and has averaged a grand total of 2 points per game.

this isn't even factoring in Mac's defensive ability. 24th among shooting guards in DRPM last season, something that Cunningham doesn't even attempt to play.

they are not similar at all.

[Dat2U]

I was not really singling you out pif just a general complint about how people are being down on the kids a bit mainly because of a general dislike for EG.

I'm not being down on the kids because of my dislike for EG.

I'm being down on them b/c for the most part none of them are any good!

Mac is honestly the best non-drafted prospect we have and like I said, there's very little that separates him and Jared Cunningham. Maybe Mac will be smarter and more disciplined than Cunningham but were talking about a marginal NBA player and not much else.

Guys like Robinson & Young are fine options to sign to a two-way deal. I have no problem with that.

The rest of the guys aren't worth the discussion. People really want to bring Ochefu back? Why, for continuity? lol

Because the kid showed marked improvement, even looks like hes in better shape, is a good teammate and not selfish or immature. He is a decent young player to work on. Mac and chris are still a bit a ways off but they are both still so young, and they can get better. You want to just cut them, yet the same people who agree with that are the ones complaining that we don't develop any one and part of that is not giving up on a player too soon. Im not talking about making a choice between giving up on them or playing them big money to see if they pan out, none of these are are close to getting big money offers from any one any time soon. if they show more improvement over the net year or so, we can keep them for relatively cheap money.

Your apparently judging on a curve. Ochefu had 9 fouls in 22 minutes in one game and 7 fouls in 30 minutes in another. That's not improvement. That sounds like a guy who isn't quick enough to defend w/o fouling.

Just because a guy is young and relatively athletic doesn't mean that we should keep them. I don't think 23 is "so young" in NBA circles. Especially when a guy like McCullough looks like he's barely improved since his high school days. You keep saying these guys look decent-to-good but that's just wrong. Either the way your analyzing the results is incorrect or your showing too much compassion to guys who don't deserve it.

[Dat2U]

I was not really singling you out pif just a general complint about how people are being down on the kids a bit mainly because of a general dislike for EG.

I'm not being down on the kids because of my dislike for EG.

I'm being down on them b/c for the most part none of them are any good!

Mac is honestly the best non-drafted prospect we have and like I said, there's very little that separates him and Jared Cunningham. Maybe Mac will be smarter and more disciplined than Cunningham but were talking about a marginal NBA player and not much else.

Guys like Robinson & Young are fine options to sign to a two-way deal. I have no problem with that.

The rest of the guys aren't worth the discussion. People really want to bring Ochefu back? Why, for continuity? lol

where do you even come up with this stuff Dat? Sheldon Mac is averaging 15 points per game on 54.3% shooting from the field in his 2nd summer league after shooting 40% from the field in his rookie season in the NBA.

Jared Cunningham is averaging 17 points per game on 43% shooting as a 26 year old in his 6th season in the NBA. He's a career 34% shooter in the NBA through his 6 seasons and has averaged a grand total of 2 points per game.

this isn't even factoring in Mac's defensive ability. 24th among shooting guards in DRPM last season, something that Cunningham doesn't even attempt to play.

they are not similar at all.

You keep trotting out the same meaningless numbers for a guy that played a whopping 287 minutes last year and averaged less than 10 minutes a game in 30 games.

Try again.

[gambitx777]

I'm not being down on the kids because of my dislike for EG.

I'm being down on them b/c for the most part none of them are any good!

Mac is honestly the best non-drafted prospect we have and like I said, there's very little that separates him and Jared Cunningham. Maybe Mac will be smarter and more disciplined than Cunningham but were talking about a marginal NBA player and not much else.

Guys like Robinson & Young are fine options to sign to a two-way deal. I have no problem with that.

The rest of the guys aren't worth the discussion. People really want to bring Ochefu back? Why, for continuity? lol

You keep trotting out the same meaningless numbers for a guy that played a whopping 287 minutes last year and averaged less than 10 minutes a game in 30 games.

Try again.

The problem is we place reasonable and logical reasons why you should not just give up on these kids to early.
Chris: hes 22, 6-11 young and athletic, with all the tools in the world, raw yes he needs work but bigs often develop late and take a bit longer and since you got him for free in a salary dump deal, there is no reason to just toss him in the garbage yet,
Mac: You said he sucked last year we give you the numbers as to why he is decent and developing , you said he sucked in summer league the numbers said other wise.
Ochifu: you said hes useless and we showed you how he has improved since last year.

You ignored all of that with, nuh uh you're wrong, your stats are useless stats. if its your opinion that we should move on thats fine you don't have to like them. But if you are going to ignore valid points as to why these young players are here and should be here, I don't want to here you complain about how we don't have young pieces or how we have no interest in developing young talent.

[closg00]

I don't know if we have the man-power for this, but I hope we are monitoring the best of SL for possible pick-ups, guys better than our own prospects.

[NatP4]

I'm not being down on the kids because of my dislike for EG.

I'm being down on them b/c for the most part none of them are any good!

Mac is honestly the best non-drafted prospect we have and like I said, there's very little that separates him and Jared Cunningham. Maybe Mac will be smarter and more disciplined than Cunningham but were talking about a marginal NBA player and not much else.

Guys like Robinson & Young are fine options to sign to a two-way deal. I have no problem with that.

The rest of the guys aren't worth the discussion. People really want to bring Ochefu back? Why, for continuity? lol

where do you even come up with this stuff Dat? Sheldon Mac is averaging 15 points per game on 54.3% shooting from the field in his 2nd summer league after shooting 40% from the field in his rookie season in the NBA.

Jared Cunningham is averaging 17 points per game on 43% shooting as a 26 year old in his 6th season in the NBA. He's a career 34% shooter in the NBA through his 6 seasons and has averaged a grand total of 2 points per game.

this isn't even factoring in Mac's defensive ability. 24th among shooting guards in DRPM last season, something that Cunningham doesn't even attempt to play.

they are not similar at all.

You keep trotting out the same meaningless numbers for a guy that played a whopping 287 minutes last year and averaged less than 10 minutes a game in 30 games.

Try again.

I also compared the summer league numbers from both of them......one being a 26 year old 6th year player and the other being a 24 year old 2nd year player.

If you watched the games (not saying you didn't) you don't need any numbers at all, cunningham is a negative bball IQ chucker that belongs at the local YMCA.

[payitforward]

This thread is absolutely stupid. Are y'all kidding me here. Your too busy bitching and moaning about who we didn't get in hind sight. Devin Robinson , is green but he shows a lot of promise Kenney Smith even praised him and gave him kind words. Young looks decent. And ochifu has been playing really well. Mac has looked horrible, he's not showing what we need to see that's for sure same with Chris. All of you are being unfair to Cunningham too! You do realise that all these guys you all wanted the wiz to grab were passed up by every team once, and most teams twice. Chill. I think it's too soon to give up on Mac and Chris, they are like 23 years old guy chirs is and was a long term project hes coming along just slower that we would like . If you wanted to ditch Mac and sign Cunningham ham that would be a bit stupid imo but you can justify it. I don't like how negative you guys are with these kids just being of your disslikes of the front office.

I'm a fan of Devin Robinson. Glad they gave him the other 2-way -- & have been suggesting they's likely do & should do it. Nor do I think Mac has looked horrible. So... not sure what you are talking about.

I was not really singling you out pif just a general complint about how people are being down on the kids a bit mainly because of a general dislike for EG.

I didn't think you were! I was really just kind of agreeing w/ you!

[gambitx777]

I'm a fan of Devin Robinson. Glad they gave him the other 2-way -- & have been suggesting they's likely do & should do it. Nor do I think Mac has looked horrible. So... not sure what you are talking about.

I was not really singling you out pif just a general complint about how people are being down on the kids a bit mainly because of a general dislike for EG.

I didn't think you were! I was really just kind of agreeing w/ you!

Havent slept in 3 days! sorry piff, clinicals man!

[payitforward]

I was not really singling you out pif just a general complint about how people are being down on the kids a bit mainly because of a general dislike for EG.

I didn't think you were! I was really just kind of agreeing w/ you!

Havent slept in 3 days! sorry piff, clinicals man!

Hang in there, gambit! I have a daughter who's a doctor. I remember what she went through.

[payitforward]

I'm not being down on the kids because of my dislike for EG.

I'm being down on them b/c for the most part none of them are any good!

Mac is honestly the best non-drafted prospect we have and like I said, there's very little that separates him and Jared Cunningham. Maybe Mac will be smarter and more disciplined than Cunningham but were talking about a marginal NBA player and not much else.

Guys like Robinson & Young are fine options to sign to a two-way deal. I have no problem with that.

The rest of the guys aren't worth the discussion. People really want to bring Ochefu back? Why, for continuity? lol

where do you even come up with this stuff Dat? Sheldon Mac is averaging 15 points per game on 54.3% shooting from the field in his 2nd summer league after shooting 40% from the field in his rookie season in the NBA.

Jared Cunningham is averaging 17 points per game on 43% shooting as a 26 year old in his 6th season in the NBA. He's a career 34% shooter in the NBA through his 6 seasons and has averaged a grand total of 2 points per game.

this isn't even factoring in Mac's defensive ability. 24th among shooting guards in DRPM last season, something that Cunningham doesn't even attempt to play.

they are not similar at all.

You keep trotting out the same meaningless numbers for a guy that played a whopping 287 minutes last year and averaged less than 10 minutes a game in 30 games.

Try again.

I don't know, Dat... it does seem like you're being a little unfair to Mac. I mean... if the good part of his numbers doesn't mean anything b/c he only played 287 minutes, then the bad part of his numbers doesn't mean anything for the same reason.

I haven't looked at his SL numbers this year, but if Nat is right & he's shooting over 54% from the field, then what the h@!!, that's good. It's not decisive, obviously -- b/c again the sample size is small -- but all the same, a good % is better than a bad one. I think we can afford to give the guy a little love.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Finally been able to watch some non Wizards (Non train wreck) SL today. This is stating the obvious, but man this class is spectacular.

So many home runs - Ball, Fultz, Tatum, Jackson, Fox, Smith, gawd!!!

Smith reminds me a lot of DWade as a rookie.

A bunch of bad teams are going to get good fast.

[NatP4]

Jared Cunningham starting. eyes prepared to bleed

[NatP4]

Why the **** are they playing Michael Young out of position again

Current lineup:

Pangos PG
House SF
Robinson PF
Young PF
Diogu C

And they expect these guys to succeed

[NatP4]

Danuel House can play. Stroking it, can guard multiple positions. Finally letting him play again.