The MeloPause Trade Thread

[drekwins]

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I was a big proponent of trading Melo due to offensive fit with Jackson's scheme and also the reality of trying to get assets for him. But with the NTC, it's tough to do and if a good deal isn't there, I'm sort of intrigued to roll with Melo and no Rose and no Triangle.

Now, the "Melo needs a real PG" issue isn't solved, in that Frank N is young and unproven. But Melo and the offense should look a ton better minus Rose.

Of course, this hurts the tank, but, Knicks. I don't endorse that. In fact, I want the Knicks DEEP in the tank this one last year because of Donic, Porter and Bonga or whatever his name is a consolation prize.

But if all there is is crap deals, stay Melo.

Yeah this whole notion that we have to trade him is B.S. That was true under Phil. Now, with him out, it's a totally different landscape. A contract works both ways.

See, the whole problem before was that Melo was the victim. He didn't want to leave and was being forced. So, everyone took his preferences to heart. If he couldn't be where he wanted to be, at least do him a favor and send him to Cleveland or Houston. Now, scratch all of that B.S. If they push the notion that they have a new regime that feels differently, they love Melo, love his loyalty, want him to retire a Knick, etc., it puts Melo in a tough spot. If he still wants out, he then has to do the forcing. Although it's understandable, the Knicks do not have to accommodate every want of his if there's no benefit to them. He's no longer the victim.

[frothbrain]

knicks goign to miss out on bagley, porter, doncic, ayton, and bomba so melo can get embarrassed by lebron.

[mpharris36]

barbara barker? ok I believe you...

[Fat]

knicks goign to miss out on bagley, porter, doncic, ayton, and bomba so melo can get embarrassed by lebron.

he wont make it to lebron... well be in a fight for the 9th seed

[Fat]

the knicks have done 1 thing right.. fire phil. Now you want to keep melo around after you've sat on your hands doing nothing all off-season.

[thisiskoz]

Not dancing around anything. Phil never said he needed to trade him right now. Saying he'd have a better chance to win elsewhere was the truth. None of it was anything that all 30 teams didn't already know.

By your logic Phil can say Melo is better than MJ, and will only trade him for 10 picks. Do you think Phil's comments are powerful enough to make someone pay that?

Nice attempt at a straw man there. It doesn't work that way. If ten picks is the asking price and we're willing to walk away, then no deal gets done.

The difference is Phil did pretty much everything but explicitly say melo will not be a knick next year. Saying we won't walk away. We'll take whatever the best offer is. Well once you convey that, you're negotiating from a position of weakness.

I hope I some of you are salespeople and I end up trying to buy something from you

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That's not a straw man. That's the opposite end of the spectrum.

Again Phil could've said anything he wanted, and he still couldn't trade Melo unless Melo waived the NTC. He literally couldn't say Melo won't be on the team because he didn't have the power to do that. Melo controlled his own trade value. Not Phil.

Ugh. Should've known logic wouldn't be the strong suit of the anti melo crowd. What matters in negotiation is willingness to walk away. Phil gave that up early with the comments he made and how they were perceived. Teams thought there was a chance we'd buy him out. What he thinks melo s value is becomes irrelevant at that point. Doesn't matter if it's 10 picks or rynos contact. That's why your argument is a straw man. He lost leverage. That's what matters. That's what leads to devaluing an asset.

And again if you were reading carefully I said that as long as a team wanted melo and melo wanted that team, the ntc has no bearing on value other then potentially not being able to use one offer against another. If both parties agree to a trade (re the only way a trade happens on this instance), the value is whatever the two sides can agree it is. On the flip side Phil making his intention of moving melo still does impact that negotiation because the other side knows we've burned our melo bridge and are likely to just take the best offer, even if it's not a good one.

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[drekwins]

Two more points:

1) The Knicks can legitimately say that they have done everything possible to try to rectify the situation. They fired one of the most respected basketball minds because of his treatment of Melo. In the process, they accepted to pay a large chunk of change (Phil's remaining contract) in order to make this move FOR MELO. Not to mention, Dolan went against his public word that he'd let Phil see out his contract. That's a big change of stance to fix the situation.

2) If the organization plays that card, like they should, and Melo forces his way out and demands a trade, then, we have more options. At that point, once a player demands a trade, it's not unreasonable to send them away from the team. In addition, if he is disgruntled and creates a bad atmosphere, that would qualify as conduct detrimental to the team.

We don't want it to get to that. But we have to play this like a caddy ass chick. You know how they smile, say hi, give BS compliments and hate eachother? Eventually, one of the 2 chicks snaps and goes off at the other out of nowhere. If Melo does that or demands a trade while we say ALL of the right things and make all of the right moves, he has no choice but to expand his list or we would be completly justified in sending him away from the team. If he does actually wants to stay, keep him and if he opts out, great. If he opts in, everyone will forget about this whole fiasco and not feel bad for Melo anymore since he is willfully staying.

[KOA]

If anything, backing away from the table gives the Knicks more leverage.
The Rockets have made it clear they want/need Melo. The Knicks might play ball, but they will need more than just an expiring contract from a third party...

[Capn'O]

Houston needs to start coughing up multiple unprotected first round picks. Do that, I'll take back whatever crap you want to throw this way. In the West, even good teams are always an injury or two away from falling into the lottery.

Or guys getting old and/or leaving. The 20s could be fat times if you have their picks.

Exactly. We need a long-term strategy, enough of this short sighted nonsense about not taking bad contracts or whatever. Who cares about that because we aren't contending for a title in the next 3 years. Takes time to develop the youngsters, but at least we will have flexibility and most importantly power which we have never had under Dolan. You give us multiple first round picks, it gives us so much more flexibility than cap space right now.

That's assuming you can get those picks. But yes, in our situation unprotected picks >>>>>>>>>> cap space > meh picks. Only putting cap space a bit higher because a smart front office can leverage it into cost controlled players looking to change scenery and/or picks. And you have to wonder how much longer Morey is gonna stick around here. Might be time to cash in and go for broke for him.

Neigh! Neigh! Pony up.

[NotPhilJackson]

Hell yes. I'll even take Meyers Leonard along with an unprotected first.

These terrible ideas specifically Ryan Anderson. We get locked into one of NBA's worst contracts for 3 years and the asessts are not impressive. The two picks will be in the mid to high 20's, Z.Qi sucks really bag.

I'll take my chances in the West with unprotected picks. Paul is old, so is Melo. Harden can get hurt. Paul and Melo could both be gone after this season. Ryan Anderson is irrelevant. Are we signing a superstar? No. So who gives a crap about the salary cap? Build through the draft and when it's time to sign a free agent, the crappy contracts will be gone. Long-term strategy!!!

Exactly, whats this guy talking about "terrible idea"?
I thought I was pretty clear in explaining the stagnant free agency market over the next 3 years. Why WOULDNT you fill your entire damn roster with trash if you get assets in return? Smh idk what some people are thinkin.

[NotPhilJackson]

I don't get why some people think Houston is going to still be good in '22. They are going to be rebuilding more than likely at that point. That is a GOOD unprotected 1st. Even if the '20 pick is debatable, it's still a) debatable due to injury and age (see melo and cp3) & b) it's still a 1st round pick.

Why forfeit these assets because you think some team MIGHT want to dump salary next year? That's asinine. You take the sure thing.


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[MP4LIFE]

knicks goign to miss out on bagley, porter, doncic, ayton, and bomba so melo can get embarrassed by lebron.

The Knicks 'brain trust' knows what to do. Rebuilding with 33 year old isolation scorer taking the majority of the shots. Excellent idea.

[Esq-4]

This whole thing is ridiculous. Unless it comes out that we had a good deal - which is subjective any way - the Knicks had 0 obligation to trade or even buyout Melo. I can see why it would be annoying, but Knicks were not required to keep banging their heads against the wall to try to get back more than bad contracts and late picks for at the very least an expiring contract.

It doesn't change whether they want him gone. But why can't we wait for the right deal? Sorry Morey, but you'll have to give to get. Sorry Melo the Knicks don't exist to service you.

Letting it out that he asked to bought out is crap too. For how much? Just because we didn't agree to buy you out you deserve sympathy? If you wanted all this year plus part of next year when you'd opt out then GTFO. The NTC give him power, not all the power. I'm sure we'd agree to a good deal.

[K_ick_God]

Bledsoe
Frank
Lee
Melo
KP

You got Timmy as 6th man and Willy as 7th

That's a nice ass team

How are you getting Bledsoe and keeping everybody? Trading Willy would be very bad.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Question:

Do yall take Anderson's contract on for 2 unprotected 1sts, Z.Qi and Hartenstein?

The next 2 years of free agency after this one are both pretty trash. So why not let those 2 youngins grow in the D-League while we wait til Noah and Andersons contracts expire.

Honestly I'm not interested in any free agency until 2021 anyway.


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Morey will never offer two unprotected 1sts, not happening.

[VirginiaKnickFan]

Bledsoe
Frank
Lee
Melo
KP

You got Timmy as 6th man and Willy as 7th

That's a nice ass team

How are you getting Bledsoe and keeping everybody? Trading Willy would be very bad.

KP has yet to play a full 82 game season, there's no way he's physically able to take the pounding at center yet.

[magnumt]

barbara barker? ok I believe you...

I think she works for the Post or Newsday. Berman or Hahn used to reference her all the time.

No one he news from the Chris Paul Presser?!

--Mags

[Ripcity4life]

As you can tell from my name i am a Blazer fan but how does this give the knicks MORE power when it sounds like they kind of promised Melo they would work to get him traded to Houston now looks like they are trying to hedge there bets. Its possible fences can be mended but you really want a pouting melo on the bench all year ?

The way i see it get Melo to add a couple more teams to his accepted trade list OR just bite the bullet and accept the best trade that might net some talent OR waive / buy him out cause the Knicks are a proud franchise that needs to just move on and rebuild without all this drama garbage.

This is just my 2 cents so thanks for the time and i wish the Knicks the best -- BTW -- i am not a melo fan AT ALL - LOL

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[nedleeds]

knicks goign to miss out on bagley, porter, doncic, ayton, and bomba so melo can get embarrassed by lebron.

The Knicks 'brain trust' knows what to do. Rebuilding with 33 year old isolation scorer taking the majority of the shots. Excellent idea.

But think of all the good habits the young core will learn watching him play defense and almost lead the league in ejections!