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[Simmons25]

anyone else ever get the feeling that Ben Simmons doesnt truly want to play for the Sixers, and he will leave in FA the first chance he gets?

Im really not sure why Im feeling like this, but something just doesnt seem right. Im kind of big on reading into people's body language and facial expressions, and he always looks like he would rather be doing anything else.

"oh, you cant take a couple of bad photos of him and apply that mentality to him thats not fair"

except its not just "a couple of bad photos", literally every time I see this guy he has this smug and too cool for everyone look on his face. the only times he really seems happy is when he's with stars from other teams

idk, just something ive been thinking of. maybe he just has one of those faces lol

nightmare scenario: Embiid cant stay healthy after getting a max, Simmons leave in free agency, Fultz isnt really a first option but we max him anyway, we draft another Jahlil-type with Lakers or Kings pick, and our own picks are in the 20s until it all falls apart

sorry I had to say it

The first chance he gets to leave in FA will be 2023.

Yeah... Simmons HATES being in Philly. Literally cannot wait to leave.

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-76ers/jonah-bolden-took-strange-path-now-among-familiar-faces-sixers

Bolden is also familiar with another Aussie native: Ben Simmons. Bolden and Simmons are close in age and grew up playing against each other. Simmons left for America before Bolden, but the two spoke whenever Simmons came back.

Simmons was pretty happy when the team took Bolden No. 36 overall. It only added to Simmons' excitement level for the future, something he communicated when the old friends caught up.

"He said 'I fell in love after my second day [here],'" Bolden said. "He said, 'When you get here you'll see how it is. The fans, they fall in love with you. Just work hard and it'll happen for you.'"

[Simmons25]

Simmons has had a too cool for school mentality every step of the way since he's been in the public eye. He's just a little immature. I wouldn't read into it that much.

Him and Markelle have the same demanour. I don't think it's an arrogance think or immaturity. He grew up in a great family.

You look at his photos and even when he was a little kid he had the same demeanour. Doesn't like smiling for photos.

[Unbreakable99]

anyone else ever get the feeling that Ben Simmons doesnt truly want to play for the Sixers, and he will leave in FA the first chance he gets?

Im really not sure why Im feeling like this, but something just doesnt seem right. Im kind of big on reading into people's body language and facial expressions, and he always looks like he would rather be doing anything else.

"oh, you cant take a couple of bad photos of him and apply that mentality to him thats not fair"

except its not just "a couple of bad photos", literally every time I see this guy he has this smug and too cool for everyone look on his face. the only times he really seems happy is when he's with stars from other teams

idk, just something ive been thinking of. maybe he just has one of those faces lol

nightmare scenario: Embiid cant stay healthy after getting a max, Simmons leave in free agency, Fultz isnt really a first option but we max him anyway, we draft another Jahlil-type with Lakers or Kings pick, and our own picks are in the 20s until it all falls apart

sorry I had to say it

The first chance he gets to leave in FA will be 2023.

Yeah... Simmons HATES being in Philly. Literally cannot wait to leave.

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-76ers/jonah-bolden-took-strange-path-now-among-familiar-faces-sixers

Bolden is also familiar with another Aussie native: Ben Simmons. Bolden and Simmons are close in age and grew up playing against each other. Simmons left for America before Bolden, but the two spoke whenever Simmons came back.

Simmons was pretty happy when the team took Bolden No. 36 overall. It only added to Simmons' excitement level for the future, something he communicated when the old friends caught up.

"He said 'I fell in love after my SECOND day [here],'" Bolden said. "He said, 'When you get here you'll see how it is. The fans, they fall in love with you. Just work hard and it'll happen for you.'"

Of course he hates Philly. Why did he fall in love with Philly on his second day and not his first? If he were drafted by the Lakers he would have fallen in love with them on his first day. Obviously Simmons hates Philly

[tsmith]

The first chance he gets to leave in FA will be 2023.

Yeah... Simmons HATES being in Philly. Literally cannot wait to leave.

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-76ers/jonah-bolden-took-strange-path-now-among-familiar-faces-sixers

Bolden is also familiar with another Aussie native: Ben Simmons. Bolden and Simmons are close in age and grew up playing against each other. Simmons left for America before Bolden, but the two spoke whenever Simmons came back.

Simmons was pretty happy when the team took Bolden No. 36 overall. It only added to Simmons' excitement level for the future, something he communicated when the old friends caught up.

"He said 'I fell in love after my SECOND day [here],'" Bolden said. "He said, 'When you get here you'll see how it is. The fans, they fall in love with you. Just work hard and it'll happen for you.'"

Of course he hates Philly. Why did he fall in love with Philly on his second day and not his first? If he were drafted by the Lakers he would have fallen in love with them on his first day. Obviously Simmons hates Philly

Pretty sure you're being sarcastic but honestly dont know ahaha.

[Ericb5]

Can't recall the last time a Philadelphia star chose to leave a team while the team was at all good. Those that have left did so either because the team didn't want them anymore, or the team was garbage. Philadelphia isn't Oklahoma City or Salt Lake City.

But by all means spend your time worrying about something that might happen 6 years from now because you don't like the way a guy came off in an Instagram photo.

Philadelphia the city is one of the best cities to play in. The various organizations in the city have been good and bad over the years, but the city is a desirable market.

Simmons should have no problem playing his whole career in Philly, as long as the team stays on the same course.


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[Embiid P]

If we want to keep our stars in town, we have to win a CHIP or two. Aside from Stockton and Malone (until his very last year with the Lakers), I can't think of any stars in relatively recent years, who spent their entire careers with one team that didn't win at least one CHIP.

First that's because almost nobody period stays on the same time for their entire career. Second, pretty much all the stars that left teams to win championships left when they were at least 28 or so (at least until recently). If that's a precedent, it means we have most of a decade with Embiid/Simmons/Fultz, so maybe we can relax on that stuff for now.

Also looking at the all-NBA dudes from the 80s and 90s, these guys stayed with the same team through all of their peaks (maybe left in their 30s in career twilight): Drexler, Mullin, Dominique, D Robinson, M Price, Ewing, Reggie Miller, G Payton, etc. Most of the other guys on those teams won chips at some time or other (most of the list is MJ/Pippen, Magic/KAJ, Bird/McHale/Parish, Isiah, Hakeem, etc).

True. I forgot about Reggie Miller staying with one team his entire career without winning a title BTW. I just think that team loyalty is even less important to players nowadays than it was in those days as demonstrated by LeBron, KD, George, Cousins, etc. I wouldn't care as much if we were bad again at the end of their careers and one or more of them left to pursue one final ring after winning a few in Philly, but I would be severely disappointed if they weren't able to win at least 1 ring in the next 5-6 years and one or more ending up bolting for another team in the prime of their careers.

With that said, we'll worry about it when the time comes.

[Simmons25]

If we want to keep our stars in town, we have to win a CHIP or two. Aside from Stockton and Malone (until his very last year with the Lakers), I can't think of any stars in relatively recent years, who spent their entire careers with one team that didn't win at least one CHIP.

First that's because almost nobody period stays on the same time for their entire career. Second, pretty much all the stars that left teams to win championships left when they were at least 28 or so (at least until recently). If that's a precedent, it means we have most of a decade with Embiid/Simmons/Fultz, so maybe we can relax on that stuff for now.

Also looking at the all-NBA dudes from the 80s and 90s, these guys stayed with the same team through all of their peaks (maybe left in their 30s in career twilight): Drexler, Mullin, Dominique, D Robinson, M Price, Ewing, Reggie Miller, G Payton, etc. Most of the other guys on those teams won chips at some time or other (most of the list is MJ/Pippen, Magic/KAJ, Bird/McHale/Parish, Isiah, Hakeem, etc).

True. I forgot about Reggie Miller staying with one team his entire career without winning a title BTW. I just think that team loyalty is even less important to players nowadays than it was in those days as demonstrated by LeBron, KD, George, Cousins, etc. I wouldn't care as much if we were bad again at the end of their careers and one or more of them left to pursue one final ring after winning a few in Philly, but I would be severely disappointed if they weren't able to win at least 1 ring in the next 5-6 years and one or more ending up bolting for another team in the prime of their careers.

With that said, we'll worry about it when the time comes.

Put it this way, I don't see Simmons leaving whilst the 76ers are in championship contention. The only way I see him leave is if the 76ers somehow end up blowing up this team by trading a star like Embiid or he already wins 2 rings at Philly and decides he wants a different challenge.

Being an International player as well it's not like he has a home city in the US that he grew up in and has a dream to go back to one day and win championships... like Lebron did.

[Ericb5]

A team being loyal to a player or a player being loyal to a team are smaller factors than straight business.

Simmons is in a great situation in Philly and he knows it.


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[cksdayoff]

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I'd say Ball, and I don't think it's particularly close. Simmons is an exceptional passer for someone 6 foot 10, which is a key part of his appeal, but relative to point guards, I don't think he's anything special as a passer. (Of course, because of his size, many of his other skills are unique for a point guard.) Lonzo Ball has shown strong passing skills during summer league play.
Ball's court vision and ability to deliver passes on time and on target are remarkable even among point guards. His projected assist rate based on his translated college performance is second among freshmen in my database (which is complete through the past decade) behind Kendall Marshall. So I'd definitely take Ball as a passer over Simmons.

the type of player simmons is, you know he's about to show out. all this lonzo ball talk as a "generational passer", when the same people dubbed ben simmons as a "generational passer" before last year's draft lol. simmons is gonna play with a chip on his shoulder.

[Unbreakable99]

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I'd say Ball, and I don't think it's particularly close. Simmons is an exceptional passer for someone 6 foot 10, which is a key part of his appeal, but relative to point guards, I don't think he's anything special as a passer. (Of course, because of his size, many of his other skills are unique for a point guard.) Lonzo Ball has shown strong passing skills during summer league play.
Ball's court vision and ability to deliver passes on time and on target are remarkable even among point guards. His projected assist rate based on his translated college performance is second among freshmen in my database (which is complete through the past decade) behind Kendall Marshall. So I'd definitely take Ball as a passer over Simmons.

the type of player simmons is, you know he's about to show out. all this lonzo ball talk as a "generational passer", when the same people dubbed ben simmons as a "generational passer" before last year's draft lol. simmons is gonna play with a chip on his shoulder.

It's not a knock to say Simmons isn't as good as a passer as Lonzo. I think Simmons is a transcendent player though. I'd take him over Ball any day but as a passer and running the offense give me Ball. He's special running a team.

[Kobblehead]

Throwing a "for his position" qualifier on Simmons' passing is an awful take. Simmons has elite vision, period. His SL highlights were Pistol Pete-esque.

[cksdayoff]

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I'd say Ball, and I don't think it's particularly close. Simmons is an exceptional passer for someone 6 foot 10, which is a key part of his appeal, but relative to point guards, I don't think he's anything special as a passer. (Of course, because of his size, many of his other skills are unique for a point guard.) Lonzo Ball has shown strong passing skills during summer league play.
Ball's court vision and ability to deliver passes on time and on target are remarkable even among point guards. His projected assist rate based on his translated college performance is second among freshmen in my database (which is complete through the past decade) behind Kendall Marshall. So I'd definitely take Ball as a passer over Simmons.

the type of player simmons is, you know he's about to show out. all this lonzo ball talk as a "generational passer", when the same people dubbed ben simmons as a "generational passer" before last year's draft lol. simmons is gonna play with a chip on his shoulder.

It's not a knock to say Simmons isn't as good as a passer as Lonzo. I think Simmons is a transcendent player though. I'd take him over Ball any day but as a passer and running the offense give me Ball. He's special running a team.

you can't say that when you haven't watched simmons play in a single nba game. simmons can do everything lonzo can do except shoot 3s at this point in his career. simmons actually has elite handles for a guy who is 6"6' and taller. ball has very average handles.

[PhilasFinest]

Comparing the 2 is like trying to compare Jason Kidd/Steve Nash with LeBron James.

LeBron is a very good passer, but he's probably not as good of one as Nash or Kidd. But neither of them are 6'8" 260 lbs of pure muscle with freakish athleticism.

Ball is a exceptional passer, and probably a better one then Ben Simmons. But Ball isn't 6'10" 250 lbs with handles, athleticism and skill across the board.

[Kobblehead]

I'm a huge Lonzo Ball fan, but these ESPN site bloggers are reaching. Lonzo Ball had a lower assist rate than both Dennis Smith and Markelle Fultz (albeit far lower usage, also). Point is, he's far from being in a league of his own as a distributor.

Jawun Evans is the best facilitator in this draft, by far. He's not a big name and doesn't drive online traffic so he probably didn't make it into Pelton's "database."

[Unbreakable99]

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the type of player simmons is, you know he's about to show out. all this lonzo ball talk as a "generational passer", when the same people dubbed ben simmons as a "generational passer" before last year's draft lol. simmons is gonna play with a chip on his shoulder.

It's not a knock to say Simmons isn't as good as a passer as Lonzo. I think Simmons is a transcendent player though. I'd take him over Ball any day but as a passer and running the offense give me Ball. He's special running a team.

you can't say that when you haven't watched simmons play in a single nba game. simmons can do everything lonzo can do except shoot 3s at this point in his career. simmons actually has elite handles for a guy who is 6"6' and taller. ball has very average handles.

Well that's why I say Simmons is better than Ball.

[Unbreakable99]

Throwing a "for his position" qualifier on Simmons' passing is an awful take. Simmons has elite vision, period. His SL highlights were Pistol Pete-esque.

Yeah. Using for his position was dumb. Simmons is a great passer.

[Unbreakable99]

I'm a huge Lonzo Ball fan, but these ESPN site bloggers are reaching. Lonzo Ball had a lower assist rate than both Dennis Smith and Markelle Fultz (albeit far lower usage, also). Point is, he's far from being in a league of his own as a distributor.

Jawun Evans is the best facilitator in this draft, by far. He's not a big name and doesn't drive online traffic so he probably didn't make it into Pelton's "database."

I look at how he places the ball. Others may have more assists but Ball seems to pu. The ball right where players need it. His ball placement is phonmenal and he passes players open.

[Kobblehead]

I think Lonzo's intangibles and unselfishness are what makes him special. I don't think he's some unprecedented passing talent like some ESPN guys are making him out to be.

[Ericb5]

They are both elite passers and facilitators. Outside of shooting though, Simmons will be better in every other facet of the game.

I think that they are both winners that can lead contending teams someday.


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[postaboy84]

Since when is Simmons a proven winner? He didn't take his team to the NCAA tournament. Let's wait and see...At the moment he's Lamar Odom 2.0.


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